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Hey Sir Noel Plum,do you belive I should have been banned from ADT?You where there posting on the same thread,so I would love to hear your thoughts.I do recall that you joined the other losers and ganged up against me simply because I wasn't pc enough for them,but hey,I honest.I know I'm a scum bag pornopher.I don't try to pretend to be anything more. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/piss.gif" alt="" />


Just looked it up Jeff adt thread for anybody interested in following it.

I'm not going to pour over who said what, it's all there for anyone who wants to read it (although my subsequent argument with Mod Morbidthoughts was edited out along with a few other posts)

Yes, I don't know what, if anything, went on behind the scenes but I thought the banning of you was justified, and Wanker Wang even more so. I don't know exactly what constitutes 'ganging up' but I thought you were in the wrong and I said so.

Personally, I think you're entitled to hold and express your opinion. If you truly feel that women in porn need to be degraded to give their lives meaning then, although I might ask for your justification, I accept your view. Thing is Jeff, this was meant as a serious debate and so when you say 'cum gargling fuck-pigs' you can't expect it to be viewed in the same light as it would be here or on one of your boxcovers. Same with laying in to Tricia Devereaux, like it or not that's not the order of the day on that site and you know that. 'If my opinions and comments are not welcome here,then kick me off your site' was what you wrote: they weren't, and they did.

I know you hold up free speech above everything else but as far as I know ADT never purported to subscribe to such an ideal. Free speech in England is Abu Hamza grooming the likes of shoe-bomber Richard Wright and recruiting people into al-qaeda whilst the authorities do fuck-all. Free speech is all well and good in its place Jeff but you know as well as I that their are many subjects that just could not be debated here because someone would fuck it up.
Imagine I stood up in front Of George Bush every time he gave a speech and shouted 'CUNT CUNT CUNT....' all the way through: free speech maybe but we'd never find out what he had to say, even if it's crap it's more important to hear him than me shout 'CUNT' at the top of my voice.

Look Jeff, I work on a fire station (I think you fellas call them fire houses) and I get called the cunt all day long, we all do. I get called the cunt from my watch mates and I get called the cunt from the local scum - I even get bricked putting their houses out! I can live with coming on here and Mr Satan, or whoever, calling me the cunt a little bit more: it's no problem; water off a ducks back, funny even. Problem is, sometimes I actually want to talk sensibly (as I'm trying to do now) and that's very hard if you allow anybody to say absolutely anything they want. All it takes is one person who can systematically ruin it for dozens of others. I'm not saying that was what you did (you didn't) but this is my take on free speech and why I have reservations about it.

I'm not here to stick up for ADT, but to anybody who looks it's obvious, that whilst you can disagree, you are expected to talk to each other reasonably nicely. Those are the rules, they are so simple, and if you can't do that, it's like coming the cunt at a wedding, you'll be hoofed out the door.

Thats my position,
SNP.

PSi 'scum bag pornopher', good self deprecation Jeff but how about 'successful switched-on pornographer' who I bet doesn't call the tax mans wife a 'cum gurgling whore' when he comes a'visiting, eh?

PSii I wonder whether you would have been banned if WW had not chimed in and raised the stakes and the tension somewhat. Who knows.