The
hickster shafting echo two from above has comments worth a look.
It's like South dribbled over his keyboard while passing out on moonshine and the resulting short-circuit broadcasts the madness.
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It’s Weird How Often I Get MiscategorizedBy Mike South
March 27th, 2014
I Don’t know if porners are just that stupid or if maybe I’m not clear.
I tell porners hey we got a problem with STDs in Porn Valley and we might wanna use condoms til we address that and suddenly that means I’m on the side of Michael Weinstein and AHF.
Or I say maybe we should consider putting hardcore material behind a wall that requires a credit card to get through, suddenly that means I am for a law to accomplish that.
Of course neither is true, I simply try to point out problems that I see waiting to bite us in the ass and my detractors try to use that to twist my views so that they might discredit me.
Ya know why they do that? One of my readers pointed it out in a private email….They do it because they are afraid of what I am saying. The thing that puzzles me is why…Do they somehow think that I am tipping off authorities or whomever, that if it weren’t for me these things would go unnoticed? Surely they aren’t that naive.
Another reader pointed out that they will go to great lengths to distract the attention that is falling on The FSC and Doctor Kulbersh and Dr Pirani, what’s interesting about that one is that this person works for…AVN, and has direct ties to people in The FSC.
I get it, but I aint going anywhere and I aint changin nothing. And for the record, if you have any questions about where I stand on an issue…all ya gotta do is ask.
@punisher_the0:
@MikeSouth1226 Ignore them,at this pointThem stupid. be nOther.
@MikeSouth1226:
It’s Weird How Often I Get Miscategorized
http://t.co/s2BTMEPeYw jilted:
Right now there is an article on AVN regarding the accusations made against Mike regarding testing. But those making the accusations seem to have left our a VERY IMPORTANT peice of this puzzle.
The female performer claims that a number of people she shot with were not tested, or she didnt see the results, and somehow this is Mikes fault. But those making the accusations dont even mention that this female performer admits to working with 6 or 9 men, did not see any tests, claims some werent even tested, but she made the CHOICE to do the scene anyway.
I wonder what APAC would tell a female performer who worked with 8 people and didnt verify their tests. Why no condemnation of this female performer who worked bareback with untested talent?
And Mikes response to the accusations was classic, “Consider the source” You pegged that one Mike.
LurkingReader replied:
@Jilted
Deny, deflect, distort and if that doesn’t work retaliate!
Lots of problems with this smear campaign..and the folks running it!
It’s a habit to skim then read for detail retention…I stopped reading the AVN linked article at
“She recalls, “I went through Talent Testing on my own accord (he had actually told me not to waste the money because he tests everyone with an OraQuick HIV test).”
The credibility of this performer as a reliable source is zip, she knows before she leaves home the FIRST time what she is walking into…decided to do it then cry foul after she goes back for a second time and willingly participates in the situation.
I’m not saying that all she says isn’t true…I’m saying..
1. You’re pretty desperate to discredit someone with this type of source
2. The article really got ridiculous with the BF going along for the fun on second trip and as a secondary source…
3. The smear campaign and story would have worked IF she and her BF showed up with the FSC testing panel, asked for condoms, got refused, and walked away because they were only offered Ora-Quick.
4. As a self appointed chief FSC barker Whiteacre has no clue how fucking stupid his deep throat shit comes across
5. The purely retaliatory nature of his increasing smear campaigns discredits the “copy & paste” distortions he tries to pass off as truth
6. kernes Whiteacre quote screws both of their credibility as FSC barkers…ooops
“This claim, however, is one Whiteacre takes direct issue with in his piece: “[W]ithout a universal testing AND monitoring/surveillance system that could access records of the test results of all performers with whom he worked both before AND AFTER they worked with him, South could not possibly know for certain whether any of his performers had ever contracted an STI.”
Aww shucks for a smart guy…sure is stupid to use the intentional flaw in the system you promote to discredit the enemy.
OTH…if there’s any truth in this…Ora-quick is in no way sufficient testing for BB performance!
jilted:
And then the very next article on AVN is about a new release coming out, with anal creampies. Hows that for healthy? ONLY IN PORN
Lacey Blake replied:
@jilted -
You left out the fact that she wasn’t even sure how many dicks she sucked in one day… how do actually forget that?
I will say I did find it rather humorous how they included OSHA threats in there along with the legality of porn in GA. Hello Florida and various other states… plus, the fact that it has been stated an OSHA rep. is on set.
BrookeTyler replied:
Ok, let’s just be honest here. Any producer shooting a scene, myself included, should be asking for tests from all parties. Tests that include the full panel. It’s now around $150 to $180. If you can’t afford the full panel test, then you can’t afford to be in porn. Anyone who argues otherwise is just going to lose any and all credibility…period. I don’t care what you’re doing, girl girl, blowjob scenes, whatever, you should be full panel tested. I agree, ultimately it’s the performer’s choice and if he or she decides to take a risk, and many do, then so be it. I also know that even evil Manwin/MindGeek shoots don’t take place unless everyone provides a legitimate full panel test. You can get stupid and argue the legitimacy or reliability of these tests, but it’s the best system in place and leaps and bounds beyond not having a full panel test. Someone has got to explain this OSHA rep on the set thing to me. Let’s be a bit more honest. Testing isn’t being done on a large scale basis. In fact, unless you’re shooting in LA or Vegas or the larger sets in FL, a good portion of talent isn’t spending the money nor are they using condoms.
Lacey Blake replied:
@Brooke -
I understand exactly what you’re saying, but if you want to be completely honest most have no fucking idea whether the shooting of pornography outside CA and NH is actually legal or not other than by default because no one has or wants to challenge the law and get guidelines and or specific regulations in place to protect the industry as a whole…
So, at this point it’s just a bunch of “should do this” or “it would be nice if you did that.”
The only enforced regulation at the moment is condom mandatory in CA/LA and they can’t even be bothered with that… the FSC can’t enforce shit. It’s a bunch of companies and people running around telling each other what to do…
I don’t remember the specifics about the OSHA rep. on set… we discussed it awhile ago. Either one was called to set or somehow showed up on set. I’ll have to try to find it…
jilted replied:
“If he or she decides to take the risk,,,then so be it.” And there is the entire problem in a nutshell. Not attacking you personally Brooke, but the “so be it’ attitude that way to many performers have is the reason for so many of the stds in the industry. The risk YOU decide to take is meaningless,,,its the risk that your partner takes, that you have no idea about that is going to get ya.
how would you like to work with this girl the day after she supposedly worked with 8 untested guys? But she could just say thats the risk i decided to take,,,forgetting the whole time that she passes that risk on to everyone else in the next few days.
EVERY SINGLE PERFORMER IS AT THE SAME RISK LEVEL AS THE RISKIEST PERSON IN THE PERFORMER POOL. And with all the crossovers, and girls willing to work with 8 untested guys, well you figure it out.
The degrees of seperation in the porn pool are too small to think any one performer is safer than another. You are all at in an exremely high risk group, actually, beyond extremely high risk.
erik2690:
It’s Weird How Often I Get Miscategorized as a “porner”. I am not. Was there a single other person who was arguing against you on the paywall? Who are you referring to?
This is not you saying “serious advantage to” creating a law? What are you openly considering there if not a law?:
“For a long time I have have wrestled with the idea of government legislation that would force any hardcore content to be behind a portal that requires a credit card or debit card to open. I see serious advantages”
I don’t see “serious advantages”. That was my position.
MikeSouth replied:
Thats fair enough erik…the advantage would be what it does to piracy sites and tubesites….at least to some degree. Id be the first to tell you that the better solution is to redo the safe harbor in copyright law but that nowhere near as popular in an election cycle as lets protect the children…
erik2690 replied:
So was I the “porner” you were talking about? I kinda think it’s valid to know if you were miscategorizing me in a post about getting miscategorized. If not was there someone else pushing back on the paywall issue that I didn’t see? I think we just fundamentally disagree on the severity and size of the problem of underage viewing. I think that’s what it comes down to. When considering children’s unprotected status online do you rank seeing porn/sex as more damaging than violence? Where does it stop? When you say “serious advantage” to legislating paywalls, I just see a step in the wrong direction. Anyway, I appreciate the explanation, we probably won’t agree on the severity and thus the solution.
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MikeSouth replied:
No erik you arent teh only one even AVN routinely does it…but they are morons…so they have an excuse I reckon
erik2690 replied:
Fair enough, I saw this part: “Or I say maybe we should consider putting hardcore material behind a wall that requires a credit card to get through, suddenly that means I am for a law to accomplish that.” as directed at me, but I guess our minds let us think thing’s are about us specifically. Ego I suppose. Well, just to be clear for future reference: I have zero direct or tangential link to “porn” or in fact any porn person. As far as I know I’ve never even met someone who worked in porn. My link is that I watch and follow a few on Twitter. My checking in on the issues on this site is not easily logically explained, but it isn’t because I’m a “porner”.
LurkingReader replied:
@Mike
Agree about safe harbor and let’s protect the children as election themes. Beyond the election cycle are dueling coalitions and alliances over ?????reform to meet social and tech advances, then ya got politicians signing on here and there for this and that …then bits and pieces get passed in a separate unrelated but popular bipartisan Bill.
Most of those bits and pieces have only been weighed against existing directly related policy to meet here and now issues and more than half of them are to fix issues created by the last package of bit & pieces.
BrookeTyler:
I do have a question, where do you stand on using legitimate full panel testing for all porn shoots whether there is penetration or not?
MikeSouth replied:
My personal take is that periodic full panel testing is required I cant say i do it every 30 days because I sometimes dont shoot for more than 30 days but i prefer the tests to be recent which is why I generally shoot in bursts. That said the overriding factor is what makes the girl comfy…for instance if you shot and you wanted everyone to have a full panel less than a week old AND a same day oraquick test (which i also do regardless) then thats fine…
Also remember my guys work ONLY for me, they arent in that porn talent pool being exposed every day every one of my guys has been doing this for a minimum of 3 years some much longer so that long history of negative tests also factors in (for me) because I know these guys and what they do. AVN said I dont use industry standard testing and that is true….and thats why i am not “up to my ass in Chlamydia and Gonorrhea” like porn valley is. if there is no penetration or even a solo scene with a dildo I don’t care if she is tested or not (i dont reuse toys except for glass dildos). If I shot a husband and wife in a boy girl scene together i dont care if they are tested or not, I think common sense kinda prevails
BrookeTyler replied:
I appreciate you saying so but that completely contradicts just about everything you have been saying for the last year or so. I just can’t see the logic nor do I doubt that any medical professional would see any logic in using your personal judgement of people as part of a method you use to screen for STDs. I just can’t get behind calling people out when you’re doing the same and arguably worse. Watching the blame being shifted to the girls or attacking their credibility when what they claim is true is mind completely mind boggling.
MikeSouth replied:
I get what yer saying…its a complex issue for example sometimes I shoot gangbangs when i do no matter what the testing I always strongly recommend the girl require condoms. I dont shoot much boy girl but when i do if we are having unprotected sex off camera Im fine without condoms when it comes to any other situation I leave it up to performers. now that may seem at odds with what I say but it isnt…Im in a microcosm what works for me isnt going to work in porn valley and vice versa. The reason I have advocated for condoms in the short term…and let me reemphasize that in the short term…is because the industry has a problem and until that problem is brought under control and a reasonable and workable solution is worked out then we need to do the responsible thing because it is best for the industry to do so. Had we done so we wouldnt be having the problems we are now….no point in passing a condom law on an industry that using them…
LurkingReader replied:
@mike
“no point in passing a condom law on an industry that using them…”
In theory you’d be correct…in reality going all condom is the quickest way to get mandated condoms. Policy development is a fine art of balancing existing laws and best practices. Those best practices are most often based on the most effective means currently in place by the affected entities.
Going all condom for a time to get OSHA and/or local legislators off your back would have the same effect as a moratorium does on stopping those already infected from testing positive. Its also the reason that I’m very specific in saying…develop an effective alternative to the one size fits all barrier being thrown at the industry.
Condoms are not a one size fits all product, nor will they offer the adult industry a one size fits all solution.
In its simplest form, labor & Osha best practices = Pre-employment fitness screening, safety training, ongoing risk assessment with commensurate response implementation…as a standard applied to all businesses.
BrookeTyler replied:
No, that doesn’t work. Not only does it not work, about the only acceptable answer here would be “I don’t practice what I preach.” Sorry. If you say you ride a high horse and show up on miniature pony…people are going to notice. The procedures your using are so bad it makes Porn Valley look good. In addition, I cannot believe the little band of regulars, who seem to have found a home here, who throw out all their little facts and figures condemning everyone under the sun yet they dance around this issue with very, very careful steps. Some of these anonymous warriors even have the gall to run around telling people they are industry writers, even though they have never set a foot on a porn set. They anonymously toss grenades at anyone or anything for any reason and then argue back and forth among themselves and sometimes, oddly enough, all by themselves. Nevertheless, here is the biggest story that ever broke on your site…and I do mean ever, and they sit quietly and pat you on the back. Don’t you find the ass kissing a bit nauseating? I can assure you everyone else does at this point. Maybe you simply don’t see it, and that’s OK. But, just by virtue of what this little band of anonymous compadres have accused, condemned, vilified, of just about everyone in porn valley at this point, they should be all over you like pit bulls chasing a rabbit. Funny thing. They aren’t. They just deflect, agree, ignore, and change the subject. Suddenly, completely fucked-up health screening procedures aren’t that big of a deal. I almost can’t wait to see a reply to this from one of them. One could pull up countless posts and arguments from any of them that you can just toss in their face as to why they should be outraged and ripping you to shreds like they have so many others. They have absolutely zero credibility and whatever credibility you have left is quickly being sucked away by every post they make. I suppose if I were them, and my house was burning down; I would be looking for a bucket of water, but that bucket is empty Mike. I’m thinking the advertisers on this site are going to start running and fast. I don’t blame them. I would too. I don’t know where you can go from here but championing talent and talent issues as well as taking digs at the rest of the industry is not just out for you, it’s completely out.
rawalex:
First off Mike, there are things you learn in the porn world. In (damn) more than 15 years of the online world, one thing is constant: The race to the bottom. No matter how obviously bad that is, someone is always willing to go too far. No matter the risks, people will do unsafe things, and they will make bad business choices today that will hurt them tomorrow, as long as they get paid today.
Second, it’s also the sad nature to lump people into two groups, the “with us” or “against us”. When you are against them, the other side generally uses the most extreme case as the poster child and defacto leader of the idiots, and tags you with them.
Apparently, there is no greyscale in porn, just black and white. It’s why people can’t understand that some porn obscenity prosecutions are actually a good thing, they are free learning experiences for the rest of us.
So your problem will always be that when you take a position that is say 25% towards one side, the people at the other end shove your views to the extreme, and you end up lumped in with people you don’t like.
I blame Karl Rove for this, but it would take a while to explain why.
LurkingReader replied:
@rawalex
I’m scared now…this is like a gate in the fence were normally batting a ball of words over.
Love to hear the Karl Rove thing…totally intrigued.
Billy:
“because I know these guys and what they do” Really Mike? I’m sure that’s what the producer who shot Mr. Marcus in that now infamous Bang Bro scene thought.
MikeSouth replied:
tell ya what billy…try to get in my inner circle…see what you have to go through to participate in a shoot
erik2690:
Yeah, we’re going to agree to disagree. Just looked up the people you suggested. They are “porn ruins your marriage” article writes. I don’t find them reliable in the least. Sorry we don’t agree.
“exposure to sex tends to result in higher levels of compulsive behavior and lower impulse control”. These factual statements just flat out require sourcing for me to believe them.
Well, that commenter I guess deleted their comment so this makes little sense now.
jilted:
Short term memory. When the testing system was first put into place in 1999 it was all about the PERFORMERS. Producers wanted nothing to do with it, in fact, many fought the idea from the beginning.
It was performers who checked each others tests, and performers who decided what was acceptable, THen Darren James happened in 2004 and suddently it became PRODUCERS who were demanding tests. That is when it changed from performers looking out for eachother to producers covering their asses.
And now Mike gets shit for allowing PERFORMERS to decide what is right for them when working for him. IF youre a performer and you dont feel comfortable in any situation, be it Mike’s set or anywhere else then you simply walk out the door,
How the fuck does this girl blame MIKE, when SHE is the one who made the CHOICE(isnt this all about choice) to suck the dicks without seeing the tests.
If producers want a say in the testing, them let them PAY FOR IT.
BrookeTyler replied:
Are you some kind of retard? Your statement is so beyond moronic it’s almost hard to fathom you were able to type it. Apparently you come with your own shovel though because your just digging a bigger hole. If I was Mike I would ban your ass this second just so you don’t drag him down even faster. Furthermore, your anonymously posting so you don’t count. Just sit to the side and nod your head.
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