I don't know or care about the NYT socialist crap, and I'm not going to keep your thread going by researching this minutia and replying to it.

I will say something about the health care problems we are facing. We need a solution, but I don't want single payer or socialized medicine either, because of this. I would like to see regulatory changes that protect patients, and close all the holes in the net. Universal, yes, something like Mass. has. Affordable, no one can be totally denied, people are covered so they can't be wiped out, possible subsidies. But it needs to be done in such a way that future legislators and Presidents (of any political stripe) can't fuck it up. I'm actually glad the conservatives are in this debate, I see how too much Gov't. control here could be harmful.

Coke, shrill voices and nit picking "gotcha" politics don't help at all. Let's hear some others discuss how to fix our health care system.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy