Tommy M., who just died sober with 27 years, was an athiest. Ed, sitting next to me tonight, has 17 years, and is atheist. Some substitute AA as a whole, the Group, Good Orderly Direction, Group Of Drunks, or spiritual principles in general as a natural way of the world, nature, whatever. As an atheist friend Mike says, "But you better pick something you believe can help you stay sober." It works, if you work it.

I drive like my hair is on fire, so no bumper stickers here. Some folks get too much serenity.

Fiend, we have clubhouses here with meetings a few times a day, no connection with churches. There are club AAs, and church basement AAs like Tommy, Ed, Mike and me. I can't think of any AAs who joined a church because there is a meeting there.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy