music today is all style and no substance just like this suicide girls crap. there ain't no real punks anymore, it's just over the counter counter culture. even the sheep slam dance to Pearl Jam now. Old school punks who still try to live that life now as absurd as old hippies. emo core ain't punk just like nin ain't industrial. Neubauten was industrial,but not anymore they're just a bunch of old sods who can't hang it up.