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#8015 - 10/18/03 09:49 AM Question for Brandon Iron...
Mike Meatmaster Offline
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If it is the guy that makes the video, as you believe... why aren't you trying to find or develop the next big male (hetro) star? It seems like if you could, it would be well worth the time and energy spent. That is, if the guy is what sells the porn.
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#8016 - 10/19/03 04:14 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Red Light and Platinum X already do that . They are the only porn companies ( other than the gay ones of coarse ) that have male contact stars . Not only that but get this , they have NO FEMALE CONTRACTS at all , just guys . Pretty fucking if you ask me .

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#8017 - 10/19/03 04:55 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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That may be true, and I am not on either side, rather being objective....
Red Light and Platinum X are also very successful. Dion, owner of RLD is a consultant to Platinum X so that may explain the similarities. Red Light District being so successful may tend to make other companies follow suit.


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Red Light and Platinum X already do that . They are the only porn companies ( other than the gay ones of coarse ) that have male contact stars . Not only that but get this , they have NO FEMALE CONTRACTS at all , just guys . Pretty fucking if you ask me .


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#8018 - 10/20/03 04:28 AM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Does Brandon work with either of them? (I'm not that familiar with either company)
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#8019 - 10/20/03 10:44 AM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Does Brandon work with either of them? (I'm not that familiar with either company)



Your not familiar with Red Light District???
Platinum X is a new company, he is part owner and has a few lines.
Platinum X
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#8020 - 10/21/03 06:08 AM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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I'm not intimately familiar with the workings of the company. I've seen some of their stuff but I don't pay that close attention to directors, male stars, etc.
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#8021 - 10/21/03 12:27 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Does Brandon work with either of them? (I'm not that familiar with either company)



Your not familiar with Red Light District???
Platinum X is a new company, he is part owner and has a few lines.






Wrong .Brandon doesnt own any of his titles ,Dion owns everything .Those poor suckers at Platinum X are getting fucked over just like Lex did .Just wait until one of these so-called-owners tries to leave with their movies .
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#8022 - 10/21/03 12:32 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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[Wrong .Brandon doesnt own any of his titles ,Dion owns everything .Those poor suckers at Platinum X are getting fucked over just like Lex did .Just wait until one of these so-called-owners tries to leave with their movies .




Maybe so, but if Lex prevails in court, it would give the other "owners" some leverage. However, if I was them and didn't have a written contract, I might be asking for one now.

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#8023 - 10/21/03 02:33 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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No sir, you are wrong. Brandon Iron owns his lines at Platinum X, he does not work for Dion or Red Light District unless he is a male talent for them at times, who knows.


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Wrong .Brandon doesnt own any of his titles ,Dion owns everything .Those poor suckers at Platinum X are getting fucked over just like Lex did .Just wait until one of these so-called-owners tries to leave with their movies .


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#8024 - 10/21/03 04:39 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Boy are you out of the loop . Look at this article jackass . I own about as much of Platinum X as Brandon does .


Red Light District and Lexington Steele Split Ways
By: Scott Ross
10-08-2003


CHATSWORTH, Calif. - Red Light District and Lexington Steele have mutually agreed to go their separate ways, though the terms of the separation have yet to be agreed upon. Steele has already moved his belongings out of the Red Light District offices. Steele intends to begin distributing his own titles through his own company, Mercenary Pictures, as early as January.

“It’s just one of those things that sometimes doesn’t work out between people, the same that happens with marriages. We had our creative differences and now we both feel its time to move on,” Red Light District owner Giarrusso told AVN.com. “Looking forward, I hope Lex does well for himself with whatever he does.”

For his part the three-time AVN Male Performer of the Year claims no animosity towards Red Light. “They’ve done really well over there and put out some great product—it’s just not the deal that I thought I was getting into for Mercenary Pictures. It’s not the deal I would have gotten into for Mercenary,” he said.

Giarrusso says that Steele’s titles that were distributed by Red Light Pictures will still be sold by Red Light, though Steele disputes that. Black Reign, Top Gun, Lex Steele XXX 1 and 2, Superwhores and one more title to be released later this month, Lex on Blondes, are the titles in question.

Giarrusso claims that those titles will be held in perpetuity, even after Steele has paid back the money fronted him for production costs. “I can’t have holes in my catalog. I just can’t do that. That’s not the way I operate,” he said. “If people call and ask for those titles what am I supposed to do?”

The standard Red Light District deal, usually involving no written contract, involves Giarrusso loaning talent money to start their own production company, interest free. One of the hallmarks of the Red Light District deal is that the directors own their own titles. The confusion seems to stem from the definition of the word “own.”

What Giarrusso means by the word “ownership” is that the directors have a significant percentage of all revenue generated by that product, something commonly referred to as royalties. Technically speaking, royalties do imply a percentage of ownership, a status that does not necessarily grant any control of a product.

Not that an interest free loan of hundreds of thousands of dollars to start-up your own company is something to sneeze at – and not that earning a percentage of revenue is bad compared to more traditional deals that leave directors cutting corners to pocket the difference between their budget and actual productions costs.

However, as Steele is the first director to leave the Red Light District fold, Giarrusso’s definition of the word “ownership” has never been called into question.

Steele claims that his understanding of the word “ownership” meant that the product was his and his alone and is not sure about the status of his catalog that was released under the Red Light District.

Steele and Giarrusso have yet to have a sit down to wrap up loose ends, and both parties have expressed an interest in keeping the matter out of court.

Steele dismissed the rumors that he would be signing with West Coast Productions, though he did express admiration for West Coast owner James Alexander as role model for black entrepreneurs in the adult industry. “I respect him because he’s done very well in a business in which the cards are stacked against him,” Steele said.

However, Steele feels that his popularity has reached the point where he can stand alone as an entrepreneur in adult entertainment.

"I feel that I've established my presence in the adult market well enough. People don't buy my tapes because of the brand I'm under—they buy my tapes because of who is performing in them," Steele said.

“Make no mistake about it, nobody controls this 13-inch dick but me. And that’s the way it’s going to be from now on,” Steele added.


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#8025 - 10/21/03 05:15 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Why are you calling me a jackass?
Red Light District and Platinum X are DIFFERENT companies.

Maybe I should include the email that Jewel DeNyle sent me on a different subject saying something to the effect of:

"Sorry I don't handle Brandon's accounts as he owns his own titles I am his distributor.....
JEWEL"

Brandon OWNS his titles dipshit. Why dont you ask him? He posts on here. Now who is "out of the loop?"


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#8026 - 10/21/03 07:02 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Of course this article doesn't show what may happen in a court of law between Lex & Dion.
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#8027 - 10/21/03 08:40 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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This is to answer the original questions in the post.
Why isn't brandon iron cultivating the next hetero male star. This is pretty simple to explain. Male performers work their way up rank. They start shooting for less well known companies and if they prove they are great talent, big companies start to sign them into exclusive contracts. Good example would be Brandon himself, he started out shooting for less well known companies and worked himself up into Platinum X. Platinum X is not going to pick a guy of the street and develop him because he has a big dick, He must already have proven himself at various other companies and have done a number of scenes.

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#8028 - 10/21/03 08:47 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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To answer the second question. To truly "own" your titles you must pay for all the cost associated with producing the video. That includes paying for the actual shoots, talent, location, box art, duplication/replication, authoring, and etc. I am pretty sure Brandon paid all the upfront cost associated with "producing" a title for Platinum X, thus he owns the product. The problem with Lexington's deal is Dion gave him a "budget" to shoot his title. This is where the line gets blurry because Lex was "loaned" the money to produce the video, whereas Brandon paid all the cost. To make it more simpler to understand Brandon paid 15,000-20,000 dollars to produce one video he owns. While Lex was loaned 15,000-20,000 to produce a video he supposedly owned.

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#8029 - 10/21/03 08:58 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Personally, I think Dion gives the best deal in porn right now. If you read that issue with Lex, he was "loaned" the budget interest free to start his production company. Wow, giving someone money and then selling the videos 70/30 percent split. That is one hot deal for any producer! Dion if Lex doesn't appreciate it, I surely will! Please sign me!

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#8030 - 10/22/03 06:42 AM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Its a great deal but I would hardly call it ownership.
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#8031 - 10/22/03 07:33 AM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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Yes, that is the way it is done now however, wouldn't it be profitable to find the next big thing? maybe work him on some of your own smaller projects and such, develop him within your stable rather than making him work on his own? That way, you can contract him or whatever and keep him for when he can make the "real" bucks.

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This is to answer the original questions in the post.
Why isn't brandon iron cultivating the next hetero male star. This is pretty simple to explain. Male performers work their way up rank. They start shooting for less well known companies and if they prove they are great talent, big companies start to sign them into exclusive contracts. Good example would be Brandon himself, he started out shooting for less well known companies and worked himself up into Platinum X. Platinum X is not going to pick a guy of the street and develop him because he has a big dick, He must already have proven himself at various other companies and have done a number of scenes.


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#8032 - 10/22/03 02:37 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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There is no guarantee that a guy can be a big hit. It is like signing a rookie in basketball millions of dollars before he has ever proved himself. Companies are not going to nurture a guy. Either he can perform or not, period. There is a lot of money tied up with production. So if a guy fails, you just wasted money on the girls, location, etc. Time is money and it is not wasted on developing male talent. Are you trying to be male talent and wish companies were a little more lenient? How about this tell the production company to give you a shot, if you fail to perform you pay for all the production cost. Maybe you will get more work that way.

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#8033 - 10/22/03 04:14 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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There is no guarantee that a guy can be a big hit. It is like signing a rookie in basketball millions of dollars before he has ever proved himself.




I don't know if Video Team spent millions, but this mistake definately cost them.

Video Team, California Exotic, Tyler Knight Sign Exclusive Deal

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DUC says: Keep an eye on Video Team's contract boy Tyler Knight. He's not working out for them (can't keep wood) and isn't satisfying the girls or the directors.

For more details talk to:

Roy Karch
David Aaron Clark
Corey Jordan

They have all had bum scenes with this kid in the last couple of months. Video Team owner Chris Mann makes them stick him in their movies and they are not happy about it!

Rumor is that Video Team is going to have to "re-negotiate" with Tyler (a losing proposition).

link to article





Heard the same from other girls that worked with the guy. As HornY Toad said, guess you have to be proven first.

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#8034 - 10/22/03 05:18 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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There is no guarantee that a guy can be a big hit. It is like signing a rookie in basketball millions of dollars before he has ever proved himself.




I don't know if Video Team spent millions, but this mistake definately cost them.

Video Team, California Exotic, Tyler Knight Sign Exclusive Deal

Quote:

DUC says: Keep an eye on Video Team's contract boy Tyler Knight. He's not working out for them (can't keep wood) and isn't satisfying the girls or the directors.

For more details talk to:

Roy Karch
David Aaron Clark
Corey Jordan

They have all had bum scenes with this kid in the last couple of months. Video Team owner Chris Mann makes them stick him in their movies and they are not happy about it!

Rumor is that Video Team is going to have to "re-negotiate" with Tyler (a losing proposition).

link to article





Heard the same from other girls that worked with the guy. As HornY Toad said, guess you have to be proven first.





This is a problem. The guy can look good, muscular and have a big dick. But If he can't perform the company lose money. I been in this business for a while and have noticed Quality Guys are harder to find than Quality Girls. Girls are plentiful but Good male talent are few.

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#8035 - 12/19/04 12:14 PM Re: Question for Brandon Iron...
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If it is the guy that makes the video, as you believe... why aren't you trying to find or develop the next big male (hetro) star? It seems like if you could, it would be well worth the time and energy spent. That is, if the guy is what sells the porn.




Who cares about the male porn stars? Oh yeah, Brandon Iron does. Good person to ask...



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