Wow.

Finally, a porn girl had the guts to stand up, and call a spade a spade...

This comes from BisexualBritni, on the set of the Wankus show...

"My opinion is this: 1. We, as an industry, do not band together and demand the simple and essential elements of working in a sexually mandatory environment; 2. We check for chlamydia and gonorrhea, both of which are dispensed with the intake of a one-time pill and powder. Why not check for the fucking flu? One could argue that, like any profession with any measure of risk, said risk is accepted and therefore isn't an issue. One could contrarily argue that the industry could easily and efficiently dispose of such risk with a simple STD screening of other diseases in one fell swoop. It's a debatable issue, but the conclusion is dictated by the circumstances, and the circumstances stand at an incomplete testing screen for certain prominent sexually transmitted diseases.

I am somewhat disillusioned by this lack of accuracy, and have found the inconsistency in herpes testing to be simply this: there are many long-time actors and actresses carrying the disease, and they would be instantaneously unemployed were new and intricate testing practices enacted. Besides that detriment, I strongly advocate full screen testing and believe that those involved in the sexually active pornographic business should all be able to trust one another based on an up-to-date test for all STDs."

All I have to say is this...

Can we clone her?

Finally, a porn girl with a brain who ain't afraid to speak the truth about this HIDEOUS situation.

God bless BisexualBritni.

I sure hope some of you people fucking listen to her.

'The Outsider'

Its easy to tune someone out like Britni. She seems to send out a discourse regularly on everything from the porn world, arab/muslim extremists (I disagree with her racist stance) and weather you should use paper or plastic at the grocery store (ok, I made that one up). I don't know where she found her soap box but it must get more use than her asshole gets cock.

I think she hit the nail on the head when she talks about WHY the industry refused to test for Herpes.

When Herpes testing finally starts, I think you'll see a whole lot of unemployed former stars bitching about it.

I thought quite a bit about attempting to get into the industry, which I easily could have done.

However, this issue, the issue of not testing for Herpes, is what held me back.

There's a whole lot of talent out there that you won't get to see until something is done about this plague, and the 'gift that keeps on giving'.

Like I said in many of my former posts, I still can't believe there hasn't been a class action lawsuit brought about by former stars who got Herpes while doing their jobs.

Once Herpes testing starts, and people begin getting eliminated, we may see just that.

What's really stupid is that the decision NOT to test has NO SCIENTIFIC BEARING. This test has been around a long time, and when the lawsuits start piling up, all of you producers in here that fought against it will be wishing you had stood behind it, and made it happen sooner.

If I was Dion, or Jeff, I would protect myself by REQUIRING full panel tests from all of my performers, instead of fighting AGAINST them, or as the case may be, just 'going along' with the current standards.

Herpes ain't no joke, ladies and gentlemen.

When is the last time any of you talked to an 18 year old girl, straight out of high school, about the things that might happen to them if they go into porn?

Did you find them to be aware of these possible nightmares that await them?

The girl I knew who went into porn told me that since her mom was a nurse, she shouldn't have any problems.

When I informed her that Herpes is transmittable EVEN WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE IT, she screamed at me again, telling me her mom is a nurse, and I didn't know what I was talking about.

For facts about Herpes, please check any organization on the net, and you will see I'm correct.

Preying on the young, and sending them into situations that may cause them harm for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES is not the kind of thing GOOD PEOPLE do.

I think there are good people in the industry, and I think that Britni is one of them. What she was attempting to do was to take a stand for WHAT IS RIGHT, not was is profitable.

However, in the end, what is RIGHT usually ends up being PROFITABLE.

Shit man, fucking car companies fought against airbags and seatbelts a long time ago.

Now they fucking advertise them.

Think about it.

Doing the right thing is ALWAYS the best decision.

'The Outsider'

Thats funny "My mom's a nurse so I'm safe" - I bet she forgets that you need to ask her mom about something before she tells her. But anyways. Thats like, well my dad's a lawyer so don't mess with me.

So, you're attacking his form. Do you disagree with what he says or what? Lets look at the content and not the sentence structure.

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I think she hit the nail on the head when she talks about WHY the industry refused to test for Herpes.

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Dude, we are all so tired of listening to your mindless babble. Learn to type in proper paragraphs too you stupid motherfucker.

Malice

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I believe sentence structure to be very important for proper mental health.

On the issue, here is my take on it. If you are working as talent, you are going you are basically agreeing to take certain risks. Obviously, since you are taking these risks, you find them acceptable.

As for Herpes, I think everyone getting into the business needs to accept this: "I am going to get herpes."

Because, you are. The same way that if you go to the club every night and hook up with random dudes or chicks, you are going to get herpes.

The fact is 20 to 25% of adults have genital herpes. http://www.herpes-coldsores-treatment-pictures.com/hsv/herpes_statistics.htm You do the math, there is just no way you are going to fuck hundreds of people and not get it.

Once you accept that fact, look at what you are being paid. It is safe to say that no one is going to pay you for a "regular job" the same wage you can make by getting fucked. Otherwise you'd do the other job? Right?

Hey, obviously if you are fucking for a living you are doing it because it is more pay and less work that other professions. That's basic economics. Unless you are doing it for charity and you just love to fuck...

So what am I saying? Testing for herpes is pointless because they all have it, or should accept the fact that no matter what they are going to get it. And if there was testing, after the first month everyone would test positive and none of the industry would bother to prevent someone from working who had it.

The only person who you could argue would be protected would be delusional newbies who think the biz is risk free. But hey, they should be happy if the person they are working with is positive for herpes, at least then it gives them a reallity check and they can decide if the business is worth the risk/reward of ocasional painful outbreaks.

Malice

The whole thing I think is shit.
The whole thing I think is shit.
The whole thing I think is shit.

So, they shouldn't test for herpes because they will get it anyways. Hmmm... wouldn't testing for herpes and getting those affected out of the industry help bring the number of new infections down?

Of course it doesn't cover what happens outside of the porn world but lets look at it like this.

Girl A is herpes free, she does some scenes and makes some money then goes back to Kansas. The people she worked with didn't have herpes either. Now of course, she goes out to party on her newfound fortune, hooks up with some random dude and gets infected. She gets tested before returning to shoot more content and make more money. Oh, wait, she's infected. Guess what, she can't work and can't infect anyone else.


I know what happens off camera is just as dangerous as on camera but where is the HARM in testing for herpes and getting rid of the infected performers. Or the infected performers can only work with other infected performers (hey, they could still get work). It seems the benefit would be much greater than the cost. Plus you test for HIV which could be gotten outside the industry like Herpes and is more likely when having unprotected sex with random people but you don't test for Herpes which is even more prevelant? Where is the logic? Oh, and I'm sorry if I didn't compose a textbook argumentative essay but the words still hold true.

Pornfanintx has a brain...

...and a heart.

Tony, I love your forum, and I love the fact that you let us speak our minds, and don't censor what we say here.

The industry comes here just as much as adultdvdtalk, or maybe more, because they know this forum is open, free, and real.

However, I think you, and Jeff, and maybe Dion (although I don't know where he stands on this yet, but probably with Jeff)...

You guys are just dead wrong on this issue.

The girl I knew had ALREADY DONE her first film when I had my last arguement with her. And guess what?

NO ONE had bothered to inform her of the fact that the industry DOES NOT test for Herpes.

Not to mention HEPATITIS.

In fact, she even informed me that a guy who is currently STILL a big, big star had Hepatitis, and guess what...

She had already fucked him...because he, in his infinite caring, loving way...had brought her into the industry.

18 year old girls straight out of high school are NOT experienced whores. These are KIDS who had bad parenting, got no attention, and have decided to 'act out'.

Shit, some of their fucking MOMS advise them to go into porn, like this girls did, and even THEY don't tell them about the risks involved.

I guess I don't buy the 'they should know better' idea.

Sorry, I guess I still have a heart.

For instance:

When you go whitewater rafting on a class 5 river, you get a long, long lecture before you ever get to sit in the boat.

The raft guides explain that this is dangerous, and that yes, you could die. They explain that if you fall out of the boat, going top speed, your skin could get turned into hamburger by the brush along the banks, that you could drown, and if you go over a really step falls, yes, you could break your ribs, suffer internal bleeding, and die.

Then they give you a few minutes to think about it, come back, and ask who is still up for the trip.

Why can't this strategy be applied to newcomers to the industry?

Not telling some dopey kid, straight out of high school, who probably was an ugly duckling until senior year, and who is just doing this porn thing to get back at people, and prove she is 'beautiful'...

Not telling that kid about the risks she faces, and letting her jump in and GET Herpes and Hepatitis-

-that's just fucking sick.

Sorry Tony, sorry Jeff...your disagreements just don't make sense...

...unless you just don't have a heart.

Then you all make sense.

If the infection rates for Herpes and Hepatitis are really as high as you say, Tony, and there are tests available out there...you all are risking losing a major class action lawsuit by avoiding using them.

That's called negligence.

Whether for moral reasons, or whether for financial ones, I think all you producers need to change your tunes about this.

One of these days, a couple of your actresses are going to figure out that they deserve WORKERS COMPENSATION for getting Hepatitis or Herpes on your sets, and they won't come looking for you...

...their lawyers will.

You all love to talk about how porn is just a job, and that it's just like going to work at any other job.

Well, if that's true, then it should be treated that way.

Part of having a good workplace comes from protecting your work force from injury.

Is Herpes an injury? Is Hepatitis?

Fuck yeah they are.

What would you rather do:

A) Fall off a two story building and break a leg at a construction site.

or

B) Get Herpes and Hepatitis on a porn set.

Duh.

The leg will heal.

Think about it.

You all have a responsibilty- morally AND legally- to provide a safe workplace.

Fucking stop whining about it, and making up stupid self-serving excuses, and make your workplace safe.

So, people may get shoved out of the industry, so what?

Do you really think there will ever be a shortage of people who want to volunteer for porn films?

Shit man, if people knew it was safe, and all diseases were tested for...

You'd have a fucking FLOOD of new, hot talent on your hands, instead of a hundred or so, most of them skanky, chicks to choose from.

Duh.

'The Outsider'

Of course like I said, the infected people could still work together and make films. No loss of income to them. However it should be known within the industry that they are infected so the "clean" people don't take that plunge unknowingly. Not knowing, they could accidentally hook up at an industry party.

BTW, is there any company in the heterosexual porn world that DOES require full panel testing? Either internet based or dvd based. Let me know, I want to check their stuff out and I'd be more willing to support them.

That's a really good question.

Let me do some digging and I'll get back to you on it!

Anyone else know?

'The Outsider'

Michael, have you ever read a model release? In one section in most of them there is a section that states "Artist hereby declares that he/she is aware of the risks of contracting sexually transmitted diseases and expressly and in perpetuity agrees to assume any and all risks of contacting any sexually transmitted disease while working on the project. Artist hereby indemnifies, and holds producer harmless against any such claim asserted now or in the future"

Isn't that telling them about the risks of ALL sexually transmitted diseases? It is not any companies' fault that the performer did not read the contract.

Good point. Do you know how many girls actually read the releases? From my experience about 1:50 or less.

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Michael, have you ever read a model release? In one section in most of them there is a section that states "Artist hereby declares that he/she is aware of the risks of contracting sexually transmitted diseases and expressly and in perpetuity agrees to assume any and all risks of contacting any sexually transmitted disease while working on the project. Artist hereby indemnifies, and holds producer harmless against any such claim asserted now or in the future"

Isn't that telling them about the risks of ALL sexually transmitted diseases? It is not any companies' fault that the performer did not read the contract.

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However, do you sign a similar stated release when you do something like bungi jump or skydive? Yep.
Do they still get sued AND have to settle or lose in court. Yep.

That statement may be neccessary but its basically worthless. However, it at least shows that you tried to warn the girl.

Robert made a good point.

First, some kid out of high school probably doesn't bother to read a release, even if it's spelled out in big, bold type.

Second, most courts in America have what they call 'juries' that decide whether or not a claim made on a 'release' is valid, or not.

If a class action suit comes up, and it goes before a jury, you folks might have a really, really tough time convincing them that 'you're just gonna have to accept that you're gonna get herpes and hepatitis' is an acceptable risk to a performer.

Just because you have it spelled out on your handy-dandy form don't mean a mom from the suburbs, sitting on that jury, is going to buy it.

For instance, a girl who was mauled by a tiger while posing in lingerie had signed a 'release form' that said that the 'producers' could not be held liable for the tiger getting a bug up its' ass, and deciding to munch on her head.

The model took the 'producers' to court.

Guess what.

The jury sided with the model...even with her signature on the 'release form'.

Try selling a sob story about Herpes and Hepatitis to a jury, when the tests have been out there for years, and the jury knows that all you, as producers, had to go was increase the price of one VHS by ten cents to send your talent to AIM to take one.

It just ain't gonna fly folks, and you know it. Juries don't give a shit about small print, juries care about FACTS.

The girl I care about, I will probably never see again.

She thinks I'm just a jerk who wouldn't pay to fuck her, a cheapskate, and a hypocrite for watching porn...and telling her it's too dangerous to go into because of all these horrible diseases and addictions.

That's fine. I can live with myself for giving the correct advice, for giving a shit, and having her shun me.

One of these days, when she starts bleeding down there, and finds out she may not be able to have children...

...I hope she'll remember that at least ONE GOOD PERSON tried to WARN HER about the hell she was getting herself into, all for a few thousand dollars, and a few boxcovers.

I can sleep at night, even though I miss her, and fear that she won't ever be the same happy girl she used to be.

I'm mad as hell at her mom being a damn nurse, and not telling her about this shit. She knows how I feel about that. One day, when she isn't so angry any more, she may see that her mom was wrong, and she won't hate me so much.

However, even though most of you probably know by now who I am talking about, I will still fight the good fight, and attempt to make her 'career' as safe as I possibly can.

I get nothing out of this other than hope.

I hope that you people will act responsibly, even if the things I worry about have already hit her.

I hope that the next generation of 'porn stars' won't be treated so inhumanely.

She may be in too deep, and she may be gone forever.

Probably so.

But that doesn't give you people the right to act irresponsibly with her, or with any other straight out of high school naive kids who never got the right kind of parenting.

If you make your industry a safe industry, the rewards will be great, not small.

If you people test all your performers for all diseases, before each and every shoot, and make your 'workplace' as safe as it can possibly be...

...then the decision will have truly been their decision, and no fault will lie with you.

However, if you keep acting the way you all are acting, all I can tell you is this...

These girls are eventually going to figure out that those diseases they got on your sets are due to YOUR NEGLIGENCE, and ANY COURT IN AMERICA will decide to rule against you.

When that happens, studios will shut down, and the lawyers will take over selling off the proceeds.

Is that the way you want to end up?

Wouldn't you rather be honest, and risk losing one or two kids straight out of high school so you can keep your studios, and know that you did all you could to warn them?

It's seems like an obvious choice to me.

Leaving out things on purpose is just the same as lying.

If you open your hearts, you might find I'm right.

If you don't open your hearts, you'll soon be opening your WALLETS, instead.

Think about it.

'The Outsider'

I'd like to hear what some other porngirls have to say on this topic.

I'll just give my side of the story from my knowledge and opinion being a current adult performer but before I begin, The Outsider... it is not that girls mother's responsibility to warn her daughter of what the possibilities are. It'd be nice for her to give her the warnings and perhaps educate her with STDs but perhaps the nurse isn't aware of what the industry is about with STDs. Just because she's a nurse doesn't mean she is up to date with the adult industries health standing.

Anyways, I've exchanged bodily fluids with around 19 females and 47 different men in the adult industry. I participate in my regular testing at AIM Healthcare on top of that go to my regular doctor every month as well for a full panel test. You may call it lucky or not but in the time span that I've been doing movies I have not tested positive for herpes. Nor any other STD out there.

But I'll tell you one thing. You hear one person say at least 80% of the performers have herpes another person will say a lot of performers have herpies, then another will say herpies is out there and those who have it are still working.

Well I'll tell you that know one knows the true facts/statistics. I'll have to say that this hype has gone overboard.

I do understand that it's a huge risk as a performer to catch an STD that isn't normally tested for. I do understand that we should be tested more often than just once a month. What people don't realize is if you're responsible enough you'd know you can test every month for all of the STDs but people are too cheap to spend the extra dollars for their well being.

I cant understand to some degree why people don't want to spend money each month on testing which is why I go to my regular doctor for a full panel. Insurance pays for it. And I realize not everyone has insurance but Just because I'm being smart about taking care of myself doesn't mean I'm safe.... I am willing to take those risky risks of working with people to do something I enjoy. Let's not talk about the money involved for right now.

If any of you people are that concerned about it, you have the will power to take care of it by contributing to spending extra cash if you dont have health insurance to get a full panel. Otherwise, I don't want to hear it because you're just as bad as the ones you're complaining about.

If a person is willing to take the risk in the adult industry when taking extra precaution that you're in good STD standing then fine. You people make this a huge ordeal even though it's obvious. Dont you people realize that it's not any worse than some dumb high school or college student, even matured adults go out and have one night stands because they like it, or do it because they were drug or hi on drugs.... you think those poeple asks for AIDS and STD tests? No of course not. They do no extra precaution. Condoms don't count becuase you can still get STDS with a condom. I'd call that a lousy attempt in protection ones self.

I'd like to say and believe the adult industry is doing a much more effective job in preventing STD infections than the normal lives of people having sex on a regular basis.

We definitely get what we ask for.

Well put Gen.

I think Gen's opinion will change rapidly when she tests positive for either Herpes, or Hepatitis.

When that happens, she'll be mad at herself.

She won't be mad at the industry until much, much later.

One day, maturity will kick in, just as it did with Traci Lords, and she will realize that her opinion actually HELPED other lost little girls get themselves into something they didn't really understand.

Yes, Gen knows the risks.

However, knowing the risks, and then coming up positive- those are two completely different emotional states.

As human beings, we tend to justify our risky behavior by thinking we're lucky. That's pretty much how people who experiment with coke, speed, and heroin feel, too.

We think to ourselves...'I'm not like them, I'll never get addicted, I have self-control.'

Then we end up out of our porn contracts, like Chasey Lain, with a sad, sad ad in the back of LA WEEKLY, like she has, turning tricks for a few measly bucks.

Yes, it was the story of Chasey Lain that got me back on this kick, dear friends. A liner note on Perfect Circle's incredible new album set me off. Call it Maynard's fault.

I'm sure Chasey Lain, who used to be Vivid's top girl, never thought she'd end up a junkie, lose her son, and be placing a call girl ad in the back of this weeks LA WEEKLY.

For reference:

www.lukeford.com, go to the 'stars' section, and find her under J-L. What you'll read there just might raise an eyebrow, or two.

Yeah Gen, I bet back when Chasey was doing 'The Original Wicked Woman', she probably felt invincible, just like you do.

That was a mear ten years ago.

But something happened that she didn't expect, she didn't see it coming, and it changed her.

Please remember, Gen, that your stance on this issue effects not only you, but girls younger than you who are looking to you for guidance.

If the girl I care for hears you talking like that, giving in to an irresponsible way of acting, she, and others are going to listen to what you say, and do as you do.

All my life I have studied whatever I have decided to do, inside and out, and then decided whether or not the risks were worth taking.

The way this industry operates is dangerous.

It puts the honus on you, Gen, the performer, to accept life long problems you may encounter at work.

The emphasis is on the word WORK.

Going out to a bar and having a one night stand is not WORK.

Going to WORK should not involve you, Gen, or even the girl I care about, having to endure painful outbreaks which may leave you sterile, or, be transeffered to the child you have, if you are still able to have one.

People are looking up to you Gen, and you're on the wrong side of the issue.

One wrong move, one positive test, and you'll feel very, very differently.

Shit, you may already be positive for Herpes and Hepatitis, and lying to us so you can keep working.

From what I gather from the girls I know in the industry, nobody EVER admits having ANYTHING.

And that's how they get sucked in, and stay in.

It's like the middle aged greasy fat dude offering teenage girls coke. He knows once you're hooked...

...YOU'RE HIS.

I see quite clearly that all of you hate my fucking guts.

Fine.

Hate me.

But I still care about her, I think about her every damn day.

I won't follow her into this mess, I'm not a stalker.

But I sure as fuck will attempt to do the right thing, and change some backwards-assed attitudes.

Usually it's the vocal ones who switch sides, just like Traci Lords, when the tables turn and they realize the horror of what they've gotten themselves into.

When Gen comes up positive, she'll be the next girl to go on Oprah, and talk about how she was acting out, deceiving herself, and acting like a 'sexual terrorist'.

Until then, Gen, you can play me your song.

I'm not buying it.

Unfortunately, many little girls coming straight out of high school might buy it. That's what bothers me.

It's obvious you're a leader, Gen.

People follow you.

But to be a real leader, you have to know how to bring people into light, not darkness.

Be a leader, please.

You and I both know I'm right.

'The Outsider'

You sound like a world peace leader or some church go-er preaching words you can not fulfill both sides of a situation in a harmonious sense.

Do you realize that a virus is a virus. Whether it be sexually transmitted or through kissing, it's a virus. Different viruses have different effects. If you think about it medically a flu virus is just as much of a virus as herpies is. A flu virus is more life threatening than the herpies virus. Even what people know as the "common cold" People make viral STDs a huge deal because they're not curable, if anything suppress it and because it violates what majority of the people in this world may consider violating our most private and sensitive areas of our life and body.

You can't make assumptions that I'm immature with a standing of possible denial if I ever contact herpies. Assumptions will never get you anywhere and will lead people to "hate" you as you suspect from the majority of this message board.

I've battled leukemia for quite some time in my recent past and have a close relationship with the doctors office on a regular basis to make sure I'm in good health. You can't tell me that I'm immature and making the wrong decisions. I have dealt with life long problems. I'm not about to put my life to a halt with what I enjoy most as an exhibitionist knowing that I may possibly catch something that isn't as nearly as dangerous to my health as Leukemia is.

I will damn proudly say that I have had many of life experiences at a young age to know what's best for me and for those. I studied biochemistry in college and know the facts of how a bacteria, a virus, a tumor, cancer can effect a persons body. You haven't a clue of what there is to worry about in this world.

You have no right to practically say I am no good role model for the younger women who think twice about participating in the adult industry. I have many times already been asked about what the industry is all about. I give the fact of great stories and the horror stories. And to even allow them to realize they should only do it for pure enjoyment otherwise they'd find themselves in the worst state of emotional and mental health.

You briefly mentioned drugs... I don't see how this has any relation to sexual transmitted diseases but other than is a big burden in the industry. I do not support drug use nor ever felt the need to put my life in the hands of a possible controlling substance. I've seen my life leave without me for a few years, now that I have it back why would I let it leave me again? Why should I waste another good 20 years of my life to come and not enjoy it while it lasts? I dont know if I'm gonna die in a accident tomorrow, die of cancer in a few months because it just so happens to return, you dont know if someone may find me a perfect target to engage in a drive by shooting... there are many possibilities that may end a persons life. To worry about STDs is nothing compared to lifes tragedies. If I am willing to take a risk as if I were to take a risk in driving every day on Los Angeles roads then I'm gonna. I choose my partners wisely. I choose my choice of surroundings wisely in the industry. And you only know a fraction of how I control my life. So for you to make lousy assumptions is worthless. You haven't justified anything. Don't you realize that?

On top of all of it, you're a prime supporter of the industry just by being here. Just by watching pornography, even having those desires to perform yourself, whether it be a past desire or still a present desire. Either way you support the adult industry. Isn't that hypocritical? If the STDs bothered you that much compared to what life is really all about, then you shouldn't be here. Your opinion is only gonna go so far. How far it goes is questionable but you will not change anything.

If I do ever catch a STD that isn't curable I'll very much so quick the industry and will not be ashamed of it. Going on a talk show and all of the sudden feeling ashamed for what I do is a waste of time. Since I won't be ashamed of what I do. What is it with you people assuming that all of us females in the adult industry are ashamed of doing what we do but suffer in rewards of compensation? Can't you guys get it through your thick heads that some people just might enjoy it for once. Does that burst your bubble knowing that you see some chick on camera being degraded only to find out that she enjoys it. But wait, you realize it's not degrading after all if she's enjoying it. Shit that sucks for you.

You did bring up children in the topic... I know myself well enough to prepare myself for the life I want to live. I know in my heart I couldn't handle the idea of bearing a child. I'm not one of those kind of people that plans to have a child or a family. I'm content with the family I have, the animals I take care of, the foundations I donate to and travel as well as work to fulfill my life and desires. Call me greedy. But heck that's life. Since when do you know a person living a healthy life who doesn't strive to eat to survive in which is satisfying. Since when do you not know a sane person who doesn't enjoy sleeping and sex? We do things in life to fulfill ourselves not to torment ourselves, right? Greed! If you think about it, its greedy even it it fulfills me in a happy way that I helped someone. I did it because it made me FEEL GOOD... that's greed. But it's okay. That's life. Back to the point... not everyone is meant to have children. I don't want any. Simple as that. I don't need to be told time and time again that I will change my mind because I won't. I'm a woman that lives the 21st century knowing what she wants out of life.

I'm here to soak up the knowledge of life in all aspects, porn being part of it. To indulge on each and every sole I have sex with... get a taste of what they're like deep within. Some may not have much of a kindred soul, some are swimming in it. And it's a craving of mine. That's how I choose to live my life. This is how I learn a lot about different people. Definitely not out to hurt anyone intentionally that's for sure and I will always continue to take my part in extra precautions in anything that I do both adult relationed or not.

All in all, I've said enough and shouldn't have to explain myself again. The obvious is so obvious you surely do miss a lot. Stop and think for a while. It's not a waste of time, its rewarding. Think about it.

XOXO - Gen

I would like to challenge Ms. Gen Padova to a cup of coffee.

She seems to think I have some problem with her enjoying having sex on camera. She made me laugh so hard that Aquafina shot out my nose.

What a dork.

I don't drink coffee, but a coffee house might be a nice place to meet. Or, if you're one of those really, really paranoid 'porn stars', we can meet on the street next to a police station. The police would side with ME.

You can bring your boyfriend, you can bring your father, you can bring the U.S. Marines, if you'd like.

You anger me.

Of course, you anger me in a really good way. I'd love to debate you, one on one.

I'm not going to try to have sex with you, that's not what I'm interested in.

In fact, I haven't seen even one of your movies, or pictures. I don't have a clue what you look like. You'll have to send me a picture, preferably CLOTHED, so I can identify you.

And...in case you're wondering, about that girl I care about, I DO NOT own any of her movies, either. However, I have seen all her boxcovers. Each time, my heart breaks again, and again, and again...

But that isn't the issue.

What is the issue is that I would like to beat your silly ass in a one on one debate...and that's all.

Like I said, you can bring all the guys you want, you will be safe. I am a man of my word, and I do not break my promises.

Do I like porn? Hell yeah, I like porn.

But do I want YOU, and the girl I care so much about to be SAFE while making it?

That, I care about more than my own desires.

You pick the place, the time, and bring whomever you want. If I bring someone, I will only be bringing my wife. She feels the same way I feel about this issue...but she's not nearly as vocal as me.

Gen, you are sooooooooo wrong about this, someone needs to drill it into your head before you run around promoting it to the class of 2004.

I ain't no fucking preacher, either.

I'm a damn good looking man in his 30's who could easily be in porn, AND WOULD LOVE TO DO PORN- if it wasn't so fucking dangerous.

And by the way...

You may have had a near death experience, but I actually fucking died, and got brought back to life.

I'll tell you all about that over a cup of coffee too, if you'd like.

So here's the deal...

You pick the place, bring all the thugs you like, have them strapping their shit if you feel you need it...

...and you and I sit down and have this thing out.

Later, you can tell your side of it right here in this nice little Mr. Malice forum, and I will tell my side.

What really gets me pissed about you saying the shit you say is that your words get listened to.

I'm going to kick your ass in this debate, and show you a new direction. Maybe after I get done KICKING YOUR ASS, you'll get some sense in that head and start attempting to protect people.

Let's see what you got, Ms.-I-can-actually-read-a-book-and-I-do-porn-Smartypants.

Back that shit up.

Bring your man. You'll be safe.

I swear it on the lives of my wife, my mother, and my father.

Let the wagering begin, gentlemen...

You should feel HONORED that I think enough of your opinion to actually debate you, by the way.

Since you seem to have a brain, of sorts, you have me intrigued.

Doesn't mean I won't kick your ass though.

Once again, let me clarify something.

I have absolutely nothing against porn.

The problem I have with porn-

...is how it is being made.

Given the time, I think I'll bring you around to my way of thinking. That is, if you don't pussy out.

Another thing I think I should add...

...I am not violent, don't believe in violence as a way of solving problems, and am not intending this debate as some way of 'meeting a porn star' so I can hook up.

I drive a lovely BMW, have plenty of money, and live in a prosperous area. If I wanted to fuck a 'porn star', whatever that is, I could simply call Chasey Lain on her cell phone, from the ad in the back of this weeks LA WEEKLY.

Also-

My wife is way better looking than all the porn stars I have ever seen, including the girl we liked so much, and if she comes, which she will, you will see I'm not lying.

Thus, I don't really care if you're hot, or not. I just feel the need to teach your wayward brain a lesson, and possibly give it a real firm spanking on the rear end.

This debate will be about bringing you over to a responsible way of thinking, and acting, Ms. Padova.

This ass-kicking will be a purely intellectual exercise.

That, coupled with the fact that my brain could kick your brain's ass with one cerebral cortex tied behind my back...

...That sounds like FUN.

Bring it on, playa, bring it on.

And yes, I'm sure the entire industry would come to this little forum to view the results.

Maybe Mr. Malice could even get something out of our fierce little exercise by increasing his advertising rates for a while.

Hate me all you want, you morons.

You know I'm fucking right.

'The Outsider'

I don't see how you can talk about maturity when you don't give a good representation of it. Your whole response was nothing but redundant. How intellectual is that? Especially when you couldn't spend your 55 lines waste of time on at least acknowleding the things I said. Rather than, praising yourself on how well you can kick a persons ass. Yea, that's mature. Not only once but over and over again. As if I don't get the clue.

By observing how you've wasted your words it seems as though using the excuse to having to meet me at a coffee house to further the discussion is just a way of saying, you are lost for words. At least I can waste my time on hypocritical ignorance such as yourself and still read the other posts here at XXXporntalk endulging on a good time. For all I know if I did waste my time meeting you, you probably wouldn't show up. I'm not about to take my chances.

Was is with this childish ebonic talk about "playas" "gangs" all this slang you obviously represent as maturity and quite intelligent? Besides I'm doing a favor for you by not meeting in person,that way you can edit your responses like you have been and have extra time to think over with what you want to say. I find that fair.

It's not necessary to bring your wife into what I thought was a debate. Who cares if she's more beautiful than any once else. What does that have anything to do with the main topic. It's also not necessary to discuss your vehicle preference or praise yourself because you make good money. You simply went off topic. You're not the only person in the world that makes decent money so keep it to yourself.

It's clean and clear that materialistic things is what you believe makes you a good person. Because it feels good to feel above everyone else with your bashing haughty words. I could careless what you do with your money but, With the money you claim you have, you could at least take a class of reason or philosophy so you know what the heck you're trying to say and to at least prove points that you have.

You act like you care so much... if that's the case use your fucking extra money to make a difference in STD testing. It's not that difficult. You don't really care.... you're just in this deal for pure entertainment. Like I said you're hypocritical. You're supporting everything I say by being here.

Your assumptions of people hating you here is only there because you've brought it upon yourself. You can't speak your mind without it sounding like a threat. There's something wrong with what you are doing because I haven't once seen any positive feedback aimed at you. I'm sure there's a damn good reason why people listen to the "shit" (as you call it) I say. Which explains all the while for a fact that when I go to JM Productions office, they don't seem to like you very much. And not to mention are very sweet and intelligent people there who can hold a conversation. Let alone the majority of this message board.

Another one of your problems that shines so brightly is you're stuck in dreamland and not doing anything to make life just like your dreamland. You're avoiding reality. You can't change that... your words won't change anyone's view at this board as well. And I'm not saying I can either. I'm just here to state my opinion without stabbing a knife in your chest saying "YOU'RE WRONG" like you did to me.

WHo are you to say I'm wrong anyways? Oh! That's right,no one. You wanted to hear what other girls in the industry had to say. And so I've told my OPINION without attacking you. Sadly enough I couldn't get the respect in return. Instead I get stabbed for contributing. Boohoo, I know. But I'm saying this to make you open your fuckin' eyes.

Anyhow, you say you've never seen a picture of me meaning you don't know what I look like. What's the reason in needing to see what I look like. It's sure not to identify me. How can you indentify someone if you dont know what they look like? Gee what a concept. You're just like any horny male lusting over the mystery of a womans image.

I have given my opinion that was requested. I've listened to your side. More power to you. But since you couldn't reply with a concrete detailed response I rather not waste anymore of your time with my "intriguing" (as you say I am) words. I've had enough with the child within you.

And finally dont ever forget, remember you said it, not me: "Ms.-I-can-actually-read-a-book-and-I-do-porn-Smartypants."

P.S. Here is something to think about... Now you know you can't control anyone's actions but your own. Say that perhaps your wife is struggling with a void with your relationship. You don't see it or nothing is discussed between the two. What if she cheats on you and gives you a STD, and so happens to be herpes. You know cheating and STD spreading in this fashion is rather common, you know. There are so many possible angles you can look at STD contact that you can't simple just say someone is absolutely WRONG. Be good to your wife.

I disagree with the bulk of and tone of "The Outsider"'s comments to Gen.

Also, as far as Gen mentioning stds happen on one-night stands and whatever. Yes, thats true. However, I think we were really looking at this as more of a workplace safety issue as well. So, unless having one night stands is your job, that wouldn't qualify. However I have known a number of people who should have been or should be much more careful in that respect.

Also, I was curious which I don't think Gen covered (I skimmed, I have a hangover) is Gen's response to the comments made by the producers/directors before. Such as, "you'll get herpes anyways so who cares" (paraphrasing).

Also, of course you are right, there are no actual statistics and the only way to compile them would be with required full panel testing. If everyone got a full panel test just once a year, we could see what the extent of the problem is.

Sorry... I know someone mentioned that "you'll get herpes anyways so who cares" ... wasn't it Malice? Right? Oh well. Anyways, I think he was being short answered and summing it all up in hopes of just shutting people up. LOL

In any case, I don't agree with that statement. Even if a majority of people receive a permanent STD, there should be care. Even take extra precaution to prevent it in some way. But like I said before, it's a risk like myself is willing to take and will resort to living the normal life and ordinary job that I do anyway if anything should happen.

Obviously this is controversial and nothing will ever be resolved. Only discussion.

XOXO

I have a feeling that Gen isn't really the writer of the 'Gen Padova' litany, and that's why I wanted to challenge him to a debate.

Just like in chat rooms, people who refuse to meet in person, or talk on the phone, are usually suspect.

It's a very good possibility that some suitcase pimp, possibly her boyfriend, is in charge of her promotion.

I thought I'd test this theory.

Guess I was right.

If a girl is actually the writer of these long lines of baloney, I'd be really surprised. It doesn't sound like the musings of a girl to me.

Whatever the case, chickening out of a debate is suspect.

Balk, balk, balk.

And by the way, I don't really give a rat's ass what anyone in the industry thinks of me. I have my principles, and I'm sticking to them. I won't even attempt to get into an industry that won't test for Herpes and Hepatitis. No way.

My wife and I are planning on having children very soon, and yeah, those diseases would probably screw up the equation.

There really isn't a rhyme or reason for chickening out of what could be a really interesting debate.

That is, unless it isn't Gen Padova who's really doing the writing, and the 'thinking'.

Over a cup of coffee, that would be abundantly clear in about 5 seconds when my sharpened intellect starts bombarding her riddled brain with questions- and facts.

Balk, balk, balk.

It could have been fun...

...Mr. Padova.

Oh, and one more thing.

In another post, in another section of this forum, you said you won't work with people who swing.

You named BisexuaBritni as one of those people you wouldn't work with. Yeah, I made fun of you for that. I think I said it was kind of like a basketball making fun of a football because it ain't round.

Isn't it a bit ironic that it took Ms. Britni to make a bold statement about the state of the industry, while you, either a man or a woman, I'm not sure, sit here and say that the way things are is just fine?

Ironically, it might just be BisexualBritni-

-who wouldn't want to work with YOU.

Maybe you're just jealous that she had the courage to call a spade a spade. Maybe you're really a suitcase pimp who promotes his girl online.

Whatever the case, by chickening out of this debate, you are nothing more than a hollow babble of typed words, without a face, occupying space on an electronic message board.

Funny, I used to think more of you than that.

I was wrong.

The Outsider

There is no "Mr. Padova", Gen is a smart girl. She is also smart enough NOT to meet people in person other than for work purposes.

I think if you find someone on a dating or chat site who is too good to be true and wont give you a more candid picture or talk on phone, yea, thats fake.

However, a porn star on a porn website where everyone else regards her posts as being from her, (whereas most people believe Britni has a ghost writer) she doesn't want to meet or talk on the phone... why should she. Meet her at a public apperance if she makes one, she shouldn't have any need to call you just so you know its really her. Its not like you're having cybersex with her but an actuall intellectual debate.

The quote from the KSEX radio show in which the intelligent BisexualBritni made her courageous stand came about when Mr. Wankus decided to test Ms. Britni by having her type out a message on a laptop.

Britni responded by typing out the words that lead off this thread.

Pretty fucking powerful words, if you ask me.

I am sincerely thinking about taking her words, Xeroxing them into about 20,000 copies, and sending them out to all the high schools in California.

Sure would be nice if someone told the class of 2004 about all the grand things they can expect from their new lives in porn.

Herpes, Hepatitis, Gonhorrea, Syphillis...

Yum Yum Yum...what a lovely life it is.

How great it must feel to accept an award for a performance in an adult film, while bleeding pus fills your panties, or makes your cock feel like it's been cut off and thrown in the fire.

I don't need to challenge Britni to a debate.

I would, however, like to thank her for having the courage to say what she said, or rather, typed.

If I did, however, want to have a dicussion with Britni, I have a funny feeling that she wouldn't chicken out, and hide behind, as Robert calls it, a decision to only meet people she is 'working with'.

If a so-called 'porn star' isn't up to a real, intelligent, here and now debate with someone who so obviously knows how to hit a nerve, so be it.

I'd rather sing Britni's praises anyways.

At least that girl is real, has proven she is real, and has more intelligence in her pinky than Gen has in her whole body.

Sitting around spewing out crap that the industry wants to hear, just because you're afraid you won't get work if you tell the truth...

...that ain't intellegence, that's cowardice.

The same cowardice that slinks away from a debate she knows fully that she would LOSE.

Or, that HE would lose, and Gen watches.

I win. And so does Britni. She gets my respect, and yeah, that's a pretty tough thing to earn.

Long live BisexualBritni, and may she go on to transform this tragic kingdom of porn into what it should be...

A WORKPLACE where people go to DO WORK without the FEAR of ending up with an INJURY that could stay with them for the REST OF THEIR LIVES.

Why the fuck isn't OSHA doing something about this, anyways?

Nevertheless...

I win.

Period.

Game over.

The End.

'The Outsider' (...and damn glad to be)

Are we gonna hear from any other porn girls other than Gen and BiSexual Britni's biggest fan? Cum on ladies... speak your mind.

Isn't it funny how he never acknowledge anything I said again? Instead through out how I may possibly be a man? What a lame cop-out. To work average twice a week and to lose that wouldn't hurt me so I obviously don't say things to deliberately satisfy the industry.

If this guy were smart enough he'd go to my website and match my words. And one last thing... see? it's obvious (again) that he doesn't really give a shit about the industry other than bashing those he can't brain wash because if he did he'd say something about my idea of donating his extra rich ass money to help the industry with it's full panel STD testing.

I can see how his purpose being here is to make everyone feel like crap and praise himself with every tiny weeny ounce of worth he's got going for him. But that's fine. He can win in his own little world.

The Outsider (among many other personalities LOL) I have a question: why do you surround yourself on this website with people that do not like you? You know that's not a healthy habit. Not a good way to live your life... you might get a complex. Or do you already? If I were I'd try out the Millionaire's Lounge or Club.

Please do. Rob, encourage Claire to add her two cents.

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The only person I want to make feel like crap, is you, Gen.

Girls coming straight out of high school are going to listen to you, or your man, as those words tell them that everything is fine, don't worry about the consequences, just jump in.

You'll see things quite differently in ten years...unless you've got an ad in the back of the LA WEEKLY then, selling your ass for cash to any fat pig with a combover.

Maybe one of the new girls will personally thank you, Gen, or Gen's man, when she can't figure out why she's itching, bleeding and burning...because hey, she got 'tested' and veteran Gen Padova- or her man- said everything would be fine.

I piss you off because underneath all the shit you spew you know I'm right. You have a heart, but you can't speak your mind because Mr. Red Light and Mr. JM and Mr. Sineplex all come here.

Will they help out poor girls straight out of high school by being honest with them? Nope. Will they make sure these angry young women are protected on the sets? Nope.

Why?

Because for one, being honest costs MONEY.

And secondly...they can always point to YOU, dear Gen, as a perfect example of why nothing needs to change.

You're a tool, and that's all you are.

When you become more than a tool, and you actually acquire a brain, talk to me then.

For now, I'm just going to lump you into the bin where you belong...

The Toolbin.

The Outsider

Maybe you should dock your ignorance and open your eyes to all aspects in life. Then maybe you wouldn't be such an angry person to everyone. I've noticed you haven't been that way with just me so cut your petty stories. And analogic excuses. Don't bring my loved ones into this as they have no relevance to you. Your words have been nothing but a threat. Just remember I denied you first to fuck off. So good boy... I'm glad you finally listen. G'bye.

I have so had enough of this guy!!

#1 to set all the rumors straight, first off in case anyone does not know I'm not a porn girl, have never done a movie, am a huge porn fan though (ok no the outsider will respond back that i am ugly and a loser cause im a girl who watches porn)

#2 Gen is indeed female, check her out in movies to prove it.As far as does she type on here, i guess nobody could really prove that unless she went on a webcam and did it but come on only this jackass is that anal. I talk online to Gen 2-3 times a week, and i know its her we gossip about girls only shit, we talk about lame stuff like phone bills, and post office errands, what guy is gonna listen to me bitch about daily shit on aol,,, NONE, so proof positive GEN IS REAL (ok now you will call me a liar and say i am posting for her and i am really a guy too)

#3. Bisexual Britni is full of shit! She rarely as in the one time you saw her posts herself, if you want proof, go join www.extremeassociates.com and theres a office cut scene where britni smokes a cigarette with her pussy, in it you see her real life husband and they ask him what hes doing and he says doing work posting messages for the website and britni says "yea he does all the real work"and laughs. Or if you want go online as a guy and try to talk to her, she claims shes a whore and will fuck anything, yet the minute a single guy ims or emails her its ignoreville ( i have had more than 5 guy friends try to talk to her) when I im her all she wants to do right away is meet up within 2 minutes (sure sign of the person typing being a guy) i mean why would a porn star want to meet me after like 2 minutes im nobody( ok now the outsider will say none of this is real and i made it all up)

#4 the bloodhound gang made a song about chasey lain,a perfect circle i think is a little too deep, and has a little more important things to do than tospend a whole album on a 89-94 pornstar, and maynard is a little too umm gay to care anythign about her, im just guessing (now you will say i dont know music and that you hang out with maynard all the time and he told you)

#5. whogives a rats ass about Chasey Lain anyway, maybe if she wouldnt have burned bridges and been so stuck up in her career she wouldnt have to sell her ass in la weekly, and if you care so goddamn much hire her have her come over and invest as much time in counseling her as you spend ranting and raving on here and save her from her demise you sappy fuck (now you will claim youare too hot and your wife is too to pay for a hooker)

#6. onto you, you are completely full of shit, you claim in another post that you and your wife have fucked over 300 girls and they were all top notch in the 10 years you have been together. Ok 10 years 300 girls , that means like 30 a year, meaning a new one every say week and a half for a 10 year span. not impossible it could happen, but do the math and play the odds if you have kept that average theres no way that there havent been a few dogs in there i mean i am female meaning that if i wanted i could fuck a guy everynight if i tried, but if i did over a 6 month span not all of them would be bradd pitt, thered be a few ben stillers in there, so come off it you havent fucked that many, if you did they werent all hot, and if you did you have no room to talk about who has herpes aids or syphillis cause you would have a supreme pizza growing on your dick right now had you done 300 skanks you met out with your wife (now you will claim every girl was a 10 and you can get her phone number out and have her come back and maybe youd meet me with her to debate how great you are)

#7. I saw your pic and your wifes pic andyou are not ready for porn. You look like god damned vanilla ice. Andtheres already one kid vegas in porn(i.e. bleached blode eminem head, pushing 30, scrawny, and annoying as shit) so trust me they dont need another. Your wife is not attractive to me at all, she looks like a cracked out buffy the vampire slayer, hey some guys may find that attractive but to each their own i think shes repulsive. Im no 10 but some guys love me and some will hate me its just life,but you wife is not gonna knock on the door at vivid or jkp and get handed a contract, it happens to a few foreign girls but thats it so either have her practicing a czech accent or get in line and have her do rape and hate and gonzo porn until she gets a fan base and then one of the big bully companies will sign her up then. (now you will say your wife is so much hotter than me and is above doing negros, and gbs, and being gagged) well then she aint ready for 2003 porn

I have had enough of you going on and on with no fucking point. its over, i have spiked you, i have rebuttaled for you as well, no point in even responding just stop now, nobody likes you and you are not wanted here. This is a room run that is pro porn and pro hardcore porn, you claim that youd do porn but its unsafe then get the hell out of the room you sissy!!!

Well done Limitlessgrl,well done.I am also sick of him.The Outsider has been a annoying pest since he first got to this board.First as "michealinhb",then as the "Voice of Reason", now as "The Outsider".He may change his name every week,but not his writing style or comments.

thanks chico, i love the al bundy thing, thats great
oh god that guy fucking annoys me id love to just take a huge jetting piss all over him

Couldn't have said it better girly! I doubt he'll get the clue still. You know how people are like him? What a waste.
Oh well.

I think limitlessgirl has a crush on me.

That's sweet.

I love the fact that you've been paying attention, in such detail, to what I write. Thank you.

Your figures about our sexual experiences are correct.

What you may not know is that in each case, with each girl, we had her go get tested at the county health district before we all got together. And yes, the county health district, when requested, does full panel tests.

So much for Gen's theory about swingers. Maybe some swingers take their chances, but not us.

As to your critique of my looks, and my wife's, you are entitled to your opinion.

However, all that anger made me think there may be something under those words...possibly something sexual.

Limitlessgirl, you'd probably be a pretty fun fuck.

Of course, I haven't seen a pic yet, but you might be attractive, that is, if you aren't really a dude disguised as a girl. We'd have to get past that issue first.

I can also tell, by your really interesting, hot angry words, that you really fucking turn me on.

I wonder if you'd be a chickenshit too?

I don't know how that would go, I guess.

Since you aren't in the business, I'm not angry at you. It's only Gen that I completely disrespect. She has the ability to change things, and she won't. I find that pathetic.

Yes, an opinion from Gen could create a wave of change. It all starts with opinions.

Can you post a pic, limitlessgirl?

My wife and I want to see what you look like.

The Outsider

You obviously dont listen for shit aboutthe onlt time id ever let you see me is when im about to piss on you for little white rapper wannabe, you attacked gen meaning ill never give you or your imaginary wife the time of day

Gen is great, but in the porn world he opinion doesnt mean shit, on here it does, but to the heads of a business that makes 500 billion every year off of all of us, they dont care what she thinks or does, if she quits or takes a stand they will get newbies to do her work for her and outcast her, your are so stupid

How about we make a bet about my 'imaginary wife'?

How about we get a cup of coffee, and we all sit down and have a lovely chat.

If you think I'm lying about my wife, my life, or if you believe I've made anything up...you'll win, and get the bragging rights.

If I win, and you happen to be hot...we'll all go get tested together, if you're hot, that is, and fuck like wild animals.

How's that for a bet?

I haven't met a girl yet I couldn't satisfy, or completely wear out.

I already called Gen out, or rather, the dude who posts for her...now it's your turn.

Let's see what you got, chickenshit.

Having you piss on me might be fun, by the way. That is, as long as you're really, really fucking hot, and test negative for ALL diseases.

That might be fun.

Of course, you won't be getting money for this little excursion, since we do not, and never will, pay ANYONE to have sex with us.

By the way, Maynard ain't gay. And yes, I do speak to him quite often. He's a pretty intelligent guy, too. I also happen to know Mr. Brian Warner. Not that you'd know who that is. He ain't gay, either. He fucked Jenna Jameson.

You don't know me, and you don't know who I know.

However, if you aren't a chickenshit, it might be fun to know you.

Ball in your court.

The Outsider

god your right Marilyn Manson has done such a good job of hiding his identity these years nobody would know who brian warner is, i live in vegas idiot,so i tell you what you and your wife fly on down here we can all meet up, you your wife, me and like 12 black guys i know, and you can fight them ,and if you win ill do whatever you want , if you lose me and them take your wife to the vegas desert call jm down and we make the next wtw with your wife and im sure after she has some real dick she will want a contract

Why does it have to be black guys you have? Is that supposed to be more scary?

Can we forget the back and forth bashing and get back to the original subject of this thread, please? This other crap has totally taken away any meaning from the original point.

limitlessgrl - whats your opinion on the original thread topic, in regards to full panel testing?

Limitlessgirl ain't no girl.

I called him out.

What is it with these dorks that think they're fooling people by assuming girls identities?

Syntax ain't easy to fake, nor is mindset.

Your last post just proved you're not a girl.

In fact, you're probably Robert.

The only thing you told the truth about is living in Vegas.

And I could find out if you're lying about that, too, since I lived there for ten years.

Another babble of words in an electronic forum.

Liar.

The Outsider

Do you know her, Robert?

By the way, I don't miss Vegas a bit.

Moved to California and became a surfer.

It's really, really hard to surf in Vegas. The 1 foot waves at The Mandalay Bay just don't cut it...ya know?

About the only thing I miss about Vegas is the one dollar blackjack tables at the Sahara. And the prime rib. And hiking in the mountains. And going down the lower Colorado on my boat to where you can hike up to those awesome hot springs. And Club Utopia.

We fucked just about all of the strippers that lived in Vegas, at one time or another, so we really don't miss that.

Oddly enough, that got old.

Actually, there is one other thing about Vegas I miss...now that I think about it.

If you ever get the chance, take a hike up to the top of Mount Charleston. It's a fucking long hike, but well worth it. You have to start by six in the morning, though, or you won't make it back down by nightfall.

Fucking did that hike, all the way to the top, three times. Each time we took a different girl and had sex in various parts of those wonderful woods up there.

Still doesn't beat surfing though.

By the way...

I saw on Lukeford that Sky Lopez is thinking about creating some sort of presentation to help girls new to the industry avoid problems. That sounds like a wonderful thing to do.

Lord, bless Sky Lopez, and help her follow through with this.

Sure beats the fuck outta Gen's 'I don't give a fuck' attitude. You go, Sky.

Maybe I'll be singing your praises here soon, just like Britni.

Anyways, what do you think of Vegas, Robert?

Sick of it yet?

The Outsider

OKAY EVERYONE THIS IS THE GENERAL PORNO TALK SECTION. NOT THE SHIT LIST, SO STICK TO THE SUBJECT AND DO YOU BASHING IN ANOTHER SECTION LIKE THE SHIT LIST.

Calm down, man

CASE CLOSED!!

You aren't much of a debater so let's just end this right now
Robert and I don't get along but one thing we will back each other on is that we are not the same person and that he is male and i am female

all you can come back with is that i'm a liar and that I'm male and that you can prove I'm lying about living in Vegas cause you lived here for 10 years. How does you living here for any time prove i am male or female?good point moron

and so I'm a guy that's your one argument ok lets explore that for a minute. Let's just say for argument's sake that you are right...then go back about 2 or 3 posts of yours and re read how turned on i was making you and how much you'd love to fuck me, well if I'm a guy and you wanna fuck me .......FAG!!!!!!!

and i guess if it came down to i had to be a man and the choice was be a liar or a FAG, i guess i'll lie my ass off anyday

now if you are looking for that gay male porno contract shit those are easy to get, you should be hooked up in a week, now its all making sense, all the strippers in vegas he fucked at mount charleston were all the gay underground douncers or the guys upstairs at olympic gardens!! and the director making the movie about his life, is it Bobby Trendy for that cow the Anna nicole show? I figured it all out im so smart!!


as far as who asked me what i think about full panel testing, i could care less, i dont do porn so its not part of my thoughts, i think porn is a risk but when we all go to our "normal" jobs theres as much of a chance we could get hit by a bus as much as there is that gen could contract an std at work so i dont think about it, if you live your life worrying youll be dead before you have any fun so I really dont have any thoughts on full panel testing sorry, I just hate people singing the praises of bi britni because its her husband writing everything


ok whtzahor i am done sorry for the grief from now on ill drop all my bombs on the outsider on the shitlist!!

CASE CLOSED

To answer your Vegas question Outsider. I love Vegas except for the city's stance against porn and anything adult. This is supposed to be Sin City. But its more like Chastity Belt city.

Yeah, limitlessgirl has a crush on me, it's obvious.

For your information though, I'm completely straight.

Gay guys are usually better looking than straight guys, though, so thanks for the compliment. I'm flattered when gay guys hit on me, though. It's nice.

As for Vegas being anti-adult...yeah, I guess it seems that way. But, the real shtick ain't what it seems.

It's all about payoffs and kickbacks, my man.

The Red Rooster, Sinful, Hide and Seek, etc...all do 'favors' to keep the police at bay, as do the strip clubs.

It's 'do as I say, not as I do'.

I'm still looking forward to seeing an attachment with a pic of limitlessgir.

When are we gonna get that, honey?

Or are you like most of these porn girls...

...butt fuckin' ugly in high school...

...fat

...gangly...

...and then at age 18...

...cute, as long as the makeup gets caked on...

...lose weight from speed and coke...

...get down to a size 5 and do 300 movies...

...then start going to rehab, stop speed and coke...

...and go back to being fat and gangly like they were in high school.

Most porn 'stars' are only 'pretty' as long as they're on weight reducing addictive drugs. They're really fat pigs in hiding. Eventually, the drugs make them nuts, and they can't do them anymore.

...then they have to go back to being fat AND crazy.

Thank God I was always attractive and thin. I worked hard to stay that way. Shit, I look just about the same now as I did when I was fucking Homecoming King.

But about the pic issue...

Is that you, limitlessgirl?

Did you balloon up after stripping?

Come on, loudmouth, put a picture up.

If you're cute, I promise I will be more than complimentary.

The Outsider

It's interesting as The Outsider says he has every female partner have a full panel test taken by the county. For as many girls that he claimed to fuck with his wife and seeing how Limitlessgrl broke it down for the year. I don't see how he followed through espcially when it takes the county anywhere between 7-10days for results.

Also, speaking of me being able to help those who are new to the industry. I've said before and will say again that I've had my share of telling new talent the positive and negative side to the industry and how they have the free will to take a direction they choose. In which we live as legal adults to do something and not have mommy or daddy tell us "no" because it's wrong.

As far as making a world difference for the industry with full panel testing, i dont have the financial capability as most people to make that change. Someone like The Outsider who claims to have so much money, enough to talk about it, then perhaps if he cares so much like he says he does, maybe he should be the one taking care of the problem in result of loving the adult industry so much. It's notgonna hurt his wallet is it? Of course not. Unless he lied.

Also, I know LimitlessGrl (Danielle) she's female. If youre questioning as to whether I'm female then fucking as Jeff over at JM Productions office or even Tony Malice. Everytime I'm at their office we end up talking about the message board. So there's no excuse in denying me.

Also the comments of The Outsider on how he took girls on a day long hiking trip in no mans land to fuck them. I bet you anything if that happened more than once, he probably paid those girls. Just too ashamed to mention so. I mean fuck, not like anyone would know the difference if you twisted the truth a little, right? As much as I love hiking myself, I'd never spend a day with a stranger, no matter how hot he was, in the middleof nowhere to have a quick fuck.

Also, I don't understand how you people allow all the negative stories to be the priority in your minds. I mean, pointing out the facts that in general women in porn do drugs to keep their weight stable, then going to rehab they only return to over weight girls still doing porno. How the hell do you people come up with this bullshit? Just because a few people in the industry are like that, suddenly everyone is? Talk about ignorance of a five year old.

It seems to me that you people only focus on that negative side of the industry because it stands out more. Why don't you look for things that are more appealing. Such as girls who enjoy they're job, make it look good, dont waste their lives on drugs, aren't out there to make others look bad, things of that sort and just shut the fuck up? Is that so hard? And god damn forbid that you feel much happier because of it.

All you angry people out there are like that because you bring it upon yourself. You allow yourself to mold that way. And your only excuse is to blame it on the world.

lastly... I don't see how even the dumb girl that wants to get laid finds any attraction to fuck THe Outsider with his awful attitude. He's so errogant.

I'm done and I'm sure you guys are glad.

Gen thinks me a liar.

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm able to PROVE every word I write, and yeah, I can back up all my bragging.

My wife and I have had RELATIONSHIPS with women, not fly by night fucks. In the past six months, however, we have had little time for girls, and only had three girlfriends.

At the moment, we aren't seeing anyone.

I am currently working on my business, which requires me to spend hours and hours on the computer. I've had to learn a gazzilion programs to make this business work properly, and to get it online.

Our standing rule is that we do not pay for sex. We aren't interested in having someone fake it for money. Since you're in this sordid world of porn, your brain has changed, Gen.

Once a girl gets paid for having sex, which can start as early as when Daddy, Uncle, Grandfather, or Family Friend begins paying a girl...her entire view of the world changes.

Some girls can't have sex, after traumatizing early experiences such as those, which are MORE common than not, without getting paid.

This is probably why you think I'd have to pay for sex.

Girls who are raised with proper parenting are taught that sex is something you do with people you care about. For girls like these, such as my wife, getting paid for having sex simply does not compute.

Since you raised this topic, Gen, it's only fair that I give my side of it, even if it hurts you.

The only girls I have ever had accuse me of paying for sex...

...are girls that get paid for having sex.

Due to your upbringing, and your chosen path, you simply can't understand why people might not do as you do. I'd love to help you get past this line of thinking, but my therapy doesn't come cheap. It requires TRUST.

Asking a girl in porn for their TRUST is the toughest thing you can ask for.

The breaking of TRUST, after all, is the reason they went into porn in the first place.

You may find this hard to believe, but I have never, not even once, broken TRUST with my wife. I don't break the TRUST of my friends, either.

Your anger at me, Gen, tells me you'd like to know me better.

I'm not 'typical', and therefore, you feel the need to conquer me. You'd like to make me into all the other men you've known, who are and were mainly composed of shit...

...but I just won't fit the mold.

I won't buy your movies, look at your pics, pay you for sex, or take you shopping.

I also don't cheat on my wife.

What I will do for you, Gen, is something no one has ever done for you...something you wouldn't be able to understand, or handle.

I will be your friend.

And, in the process of being your friend, I will kick your ass and point you to a better way of life...a life that doesn't end at age 28, where you don't have to start over, where you hang out with people who say things like, 'you'll just have to accept you're gonna get herpes'.

On our first meeting, I'd listen to you speak, intently, and remember every word. I'd ask you questions as you talk about your day, and let you figure out your problems simply by having someone listen to you. We'd go for a walk along the oceanfront, talk some more, and get a bite to eat.

Eventually, you'll see that this heart of mine, which you think so black and angry, really isn't that way at all.

You soon see that my heart is full of unconditional love. Shit, the girl I care about, you may work with soon. For all I know, you may have already worked with her. She's already got 10 movies out, in three months, and I'm quite sure there's probably 100 more to come. But even after all this...

...I'd still welcome her back.

Sometimes the most honest, caring, genuine people come off as being tough. My mom comes off that way. But I can tell you from experience- my mom runs a tight, tight ship, and her kids have ALL been wildly successful at most everything they've done. However, if you were to speak to her personally, you'd get the idea that she's tough. Tough as nails. But, it simply isn't true.

You might find it hard to believe that girls might actually be attracted to me, and my wife, and want to have relationships with us.

Your porn-riddled brain just can't accept this.

There must be some sort of compensation paid to these ladies, right?

Why yes, there is.

What do they get out of it?

KNOWLEDGE, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, AND FRIENDSHIP.

Can you imagine that?

I know you can't.

However, if you hung out with my wife and I, even for a little while...you'd understand.

In fact, you'd probably dump your boy toy, and take a break from doing porn for a while.

However, since you're too chickenshit to actually meet me, you'll simply never know.

You'll just go on, making the same idiotic mistakes you are making now, like some dog chasing it's tail, until they tell you they can't use you anymore.

I could show you a better way, a better life, and a happier approach to relationships...but you won't let me in.

Too bad for you, Gen. Too bad for you.

When the gun is cocked, and at your head, and you're about to pull the trigger...I'd like you to call me. I'll turn your head around, and show you how truly wonderful life can be.

It's a shame it will probably have to come to that, but that's where it will go.

I hear your pain, through your angry, distrustful words...

...and I'm here for you, Gen.

But like I said, my therapy don't come cheap.

My therapy requires TRUST.

For you, and the girl I care about, TRUST is the toughest thing to give.

You give me your TRUST, and I give you my KNOWLEDGE.

That's the deal.

It's the same deal I've offered all the girls we've been with.

The only one who went astray is the one I'm here on this board for. And one day, I hope she'll come to her senses...and come back.

Do you understand why I don't have to pay for sex yet, Gen?

It's because HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS don't require FINANCIAL COMPENSATION.

I could do wonders for you, Gen, if you'd only open your heart.

Don't even attempt to give me some crap about how you aren't attracted to me. I know you are. In fact, on some level, you're probably falling in love with me.

All that matters now is that you do what you know you want to do...and take a chance.

All I require...is your TRUST.

The Outsider

The main idea of how idiotic it would be for a girl to fuck you and your wife is to go hours at a time of hiking just to get to that point. That's rediculous. I'd say, lets hang at home, relax in the hot tub and fuck for hours. I wouldn't trust anyone to hike that long in the heat just to get fucked. I'm not talking about the money as a point. That's why I was making the assumption that you probably had to pay a girl to hike that much to get what you wanted.

You mentioned how bringing children up right is to teach to know that having sex is right when you care about them... how can you say you care about all these 300 women you and your wife had sex with in a year? You can't really know a whole a lot about one female and trust them in less than a year, let alone 300. And your words are going against what a real marriage is about. It's all about you two... not anyone else you bring into your sacred relationship.

You make it sound like you fuck all your good friends because that's what you do when you build trust. But I'm happy and capable of living my life with a few friends that make me happy and glad to be around and dont have to have sex with.

On another note, I have not changed once since I've been known to existence. I've always been the way I am... only difference is in the last few years i've acted upon my ideas, fantasies and desires. If I'm not hurting anyone else then why the fuck not.

Finally... why would I or should I build trust with you? Why would I ever want to consider meeting you besides the fact of fucking you and your wife. That has no appeal to me. I'm not into that crap. I like being watched by a crowd of people,knowing millions are going to see me on video. Also known as exhibitionist. I dont care about that crap off camera. I like my loving relationship like anyone elses on the side of pornography. That way I get to live my life in different aspects, get a better taste of life. And life happy. That's all.

I wonder why after many times of bringing it up, you haven't responded to my idea of helping out the adult industry with your well talked about earned money in helping the industries medical for STD full panel? After all you seem to care about all of our well-being in the acts of some holy god.

We never said we had sex with 300 girls in one year.

That's spread out over 10 years, not one.

Someone has a reading problem, I think.

And we don't go hiking with people to fuck them. Things just end up happening, because, like I said, we have RELATIONSHIPS with them.

Do I care about these girls, and women?

You fucking bet I do.

We're still in contact with most of them, too.

One runs one of the biggest ad agencies in New York City, and is now married. Another does runway modelling in Paris, and has a few Cosmo covers under her belt. None, except for the 'one that got away', are in porn. And I'm still working on that stray one, as you can see.

It's funny how women who sell their bodies love to talk about the 'sacred marriage.'

The girl we knew used to bring that up, too.

Talk about contradiction.

My wife and I have the most honest, wonderful marriage in the whole world. We tell each other EVERYTHING, we are fun to hang out with, and we don't understand how you people have this really strange view of the 'sacred marriage.'

What it comes down to, is your 'exhibitionism'.

Your 'exhibitionism' is nothing more than a stupid, cliche attempt to get CONTROL over men, for some trespass that was committed against you in the past.

Thus, you have this distorted view of 'sacred marriage'.

You can't share someone you love because you need to control everything. The last time someone controlled you, it made you nuts. That's why you're doing what you're doing right now.

In a loving relationship, darling, both people are equal.

You wouldn't be able to handle that, Gen.

You aren't past what got you so angry, so damn mad, that you wanted to control everyone and everything by doing porn.

My wife knows everything, is my equal, and I cherish her. She doesn't need to control everyone by becoming a stripper, or doing porn. She has her emotions under control.

Unlike you.

You are here on this board because you need approval.

You want my approval the most.

You want to make me into every other dork you've ever known, and I just ain't that guy. Sorry.

I'm the guy you always wanted, but couldn't keep.

You couldn't keep a guy like me because your anger makes you TAKE ADVANTAGE all the time. You have never worked your problems out, explored them fully, and whenever the guys you like has his back turned...you take advantage so you can have the illusion of control.

But I'm a tough motherfuckingsonofabitch, and you can't pull the wool over my eyes.

I don't need your sex.

I want your trust.

I don't care if we ever have sex.

Tell you what though, if we ever do...I won't be like anyone you've ever fucking met.

95% of an orgasm originates in the brain.

I have a really, really big brain.

You haven't even scratched the surface.

As to your annoying question:

Here's my answer.

I am only in this room, on this board, for one reason, and one reason only.

I am here to attempt to pull the girl who went astray out of this self-destructive world of porn, to let her know that she can come back with open arms, and that we still care.

From what I have heard, she has come here, and read what I wrote. That's a good thing, and encouraging.

Attempting to put my wealth behind a testing format that should already have been in place is ridiculous. It's up to the porn studios to protect themselves, and their performers. It's as simple as that.

From what I've heard, my discussion of this topis IS MAKING WAVES, and yes, even though people may say they hate me, most of them- when Red Light, JM, and Sineplex dudes aren't around and lurking- most of these girls say I'm right.

Sky Lopez may even have come here, and been inspired by my opinions. I would say I'm making progress, if that happens to be true.

As for you not ever wanting to meet...that's your choice.

It's a really, really silly one, but it's yours.

You spend hours on here, going back and forth with me in some sort of pre-coitus drama, but you're too afraid to go get a cup of coffee, and take a walk by the ocean. Amazing.

I think you fear me.

You fear the fact that I can look inside your soul, and see that little girl in there. The little girl who has no idea what she's doing, and wishes someone would tell her to stop.

I can't be what you need me to be if you won't even get a damn cup of coffee.

Or do you have to be paid to get a cup of coffee?

Is there one normal relationship thing you can do without being paid, or having a camera on you?

If not, I'd say that's pretty sad, and needs to change.

You fear me, Gen.

You fear me because I KNOW, and I SEE.

Good luck trying to get that from all the losers you hang out with.

It don't exist, babe.

The Outsider

I never said I was mad or angry at anyone. Get your facts straight. I don't control anybody. I don't even want to know where you get your wild ideas from. But it's sure sad that you're stuck in this bubble putting yourself on a pedestal. How much more errogant can you be. Run along and grow up. I'm done with you. Trying getting fucked in the ass and you wouldn't be so uptight trying to act like god to everyone. You are not right or wrong so get over everything I've said that's my opinion and quit saying I'm wrong about everything. Not everyone in this world is meant to be like you OH HOLY ONE.

Ciao!

Public challenge to the outsider:

just need answers to a few questions if you are willing to get it all out in the open
#1. is your first name Michael?
#2. You said you lived in vegas for 10 years, did you graduate from high school out here?

I'd like to make a song dedication, to the girl I miss, and wish would hear my heart.

The new Vertical Horizon album is tremendous.

The song I would like to dedicate is called, 'Forever', and it is track 3 on the new album, 'Go'.

Listen to those words ladies, and tell me what an asshole I am.

Go hear that song, and tell me.

Limitlessgirl, I'm only going to give you enough info. I'm not going to allow some nut who is reading this to come find me, and be a moron. I'm well aware of what you know about me, and what you don't. If you want to know me better, PM me, and we can talk on the phone. It would be nice to hear your voice.

Quote from the almighty mistress of denial, Ms. Gen Padova:

"Trying getting fucked in the ass and you wouldn't be so uptight trying to act like god to everyone."

Heck, that's too telling to even bother talking about.

What's odd is the girl I used to know said the same thing to me last time we hung out, and she yelled those exact words at me. Odd, it is. Sure don't plan on getting my bowels penetrated though.

My plumbing only flows out, thank you very much.

Go buy Vertical Horizon's new album, and listen to track 3.

It will make your soul happy.

Trust me on that.

Track 10 is pretty fucking great too.

Y'all need a Soul Makeover.

The Outsider

Guess that fell on deaf ears, I assume that means he is not accepting the challenge?? giving out a first name, and letting me know what city you went to high school in gives me too much personal info on you....ok pussyboy


Why don't you call Kasey Kasem with your long distance dedication bullshit, moron nobody knows what girl you are talking about, probably because you dont know any pornstar to save your life, but even if you did you wont say who it is, she doesnr post here and since you wont give out the name nobody would be able to pass the message along, are you just talking to yourself??

total jackass, you want revenge on her and you hate her for doing porn now you hear a song and want to change your tune and be a sweetie to her, you hate gen she angers you and you want to kick her ass and now you want her trust and to be friends , your out to try to challenge me out i respond back and all you want to do is try to fuck me , get your goddamned story straight

I didn't go to school in Vegas.

Yes, my first name happens to be Michael.

Happy?

Would you like to know what my favorite cereal is?

Cocoa Pebbles.

To answer your litany...

Yes, I have been going through terminal mood swings since this girl went into porn. I care, I'm angry, and I care, and I'm angry. Going back and forth is just the way I'm dealing with it.

I don't need to name the girl I'm talking about. I'm sure she comes here, and I'm sure she's read what I wrote. She was an internet addict before, and I'm sure that hasn't changed. She probably lurks around to see if anyone mentions her fucking videos. In fact, I think I've spotted her on AdultDVDTalk.

Even though I haven't bought any of her videos, naming her would only increase her popularity, and help her get more boxcovers. I sure don't need to help her get any further into this, that's for sure.

When you figure that my posts on here are getting an average of 1,000 views in a matter of days, naming her would just about amount to putting a commercial on a local radio station.

It ain't brain surgery to figure out who it is anyways. You all have enough clues already.

I may as well be screaming at Gen though, because the two of them are like siamese twins. It's really odd how Gen will say the exact same phrases, the exact same way. Freaks me out a bit, to be sure. I guess it all goes with the 'I got fucked in the ass, so now I don't care about anything at all' mindset. Oh well.

The love/hate thing is not hard to understand.

These are emotions you go through when you care about someone, and don't like seeing them hurt themselves. People who don't give a shit don't have mood swings. And that's because- they simply don't care. I care.

So now that I've answered your two questions, do we get to see a pic of you?

Or are you just another buffet munching super huge Vegas circus animal female? There's a lot of those there. Fucking fat women's heaven, Vegas is. That's one of the reasons we left, by the way. You don't find too many fat women on the coast of California. Rich guys don't like fat women, and fat women don't go to the beach. That is, except when the hispanics drag their fat women out. Or roll them, as it were. God, what an awful display of flesh that is. Too many damn bean burritos for those women.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Put up a pic.

The Outsider

There's a lot of fat people everywhere... and that's anywhere from 10lbs over weight to more. Take a better look at California and the rest of the U.S. we're swarming in lard. Other than health reasons, it's because America picked up a diet at it's convenience. You'd be surprised with all the fat people on the beach let alone everywhere else. But it's okay. Don't continuous look if you don't like it, gauk at a skinny one or something.