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A little of both i guess. Vick was my favourite player in the league for years. We could get into a huge blow out over passing/rushing yards yadda yadda, but he was truly amazing on a few of those sundays.
I am glad he was caught and punished. Regardless of what you think he should have received etc., he served his sentence and lost all of his money. However, I do not want ex-cons being mendicants, collecting welfare and living off of the state; I want them working and paying taxes. Throwing a football is and was Vick's way of earning a living. I make no bones about wanting him to succeed.
I also am a little amused and amazed at the number of people that are so insanely rooting for him to fail. This is my 'fuck you' to them on some level.

Oh and 'wigger' and ' I thought you were black' in the same thread really put a smile on my face for some reason...

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Before the game, a group of about 25 protesters gathered at the northeast entrance to the stadium, holding signs saying, "Vick is sick" and "Ethics over athletics." As fans walked by, some began chanting Vick's name and a few shouted insults at the protesters or yelled at them to go home. Philadelphia police stayed close to keep an eye on things.

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Did you hear that? 25.

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e why, was the white nfl owner/black employee comparison to plantation owner/slave on your radar before this week?

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nope.

Look, I don't care much if Rush owns part of an NFL team. So what if he is racist? If not being racist was a pre-requisite for being involved in sports there wouldn't be such a thing. I also think he has a first amendment right to talk shit on the radio all day long. But there are better arguments than claiming deep down, he really secretly loves the darkies.

Besides, I heard Marge Schott would've approved.

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e why, was the white nfl owner/black employee comparison to plantation owner/slave on your radar before this week?

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no? well, who gives you your marching orders then?

team owner that deep down secretly loves whitey

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no? well, who gives you your marching orders then?

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If Limbaugh is such a racist then why does Walter Williams fill in for him every time he goes on vacation.

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When you argued that it was OK for Rush to own a football team...

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...because he is not a racist, you were the one who implied that his thoughts about race were what mattered, not me.

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are you really this disconnected from reality? I'm the one who implied his thoughts about race were what mattered? really? that's the entire fucking point of the controversy and the intent behind the smear campaign against him. paint him and his "thoughts" as racist at all costs, whether it's true or not, even if it means making shit up. also, I never even said he isn't racist you must have assumed that. all I pointed out is that wanting to be an nfl team owner flies in the face of being a racist. which is why my first post was - "if he is in fact the vile, racist, bigot the media wants everybody to believe him to be why would he want to pour millions of dollars of his own money into a team and a league that is %70 black?"

and that's when you responded with "plantations" and "darkies". probably because I was the one that implied thoughts on race mattered, not you.

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If Limbaugh is such a racist then why does Walter Williams fill in for him every time he goes on vacation.

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YEAH! ... and if Michael Vick is such an animal hater, why did he have so many dogs at his house?

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Williams (and Snerdly for that matter, both are black) could always tell Rush to go fuck himself and find other jobs. Michael Vick's dogs did not have that choice.



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If Limbaugh is such a racist then why does Walter Williams fill in for him every time he goes on vacation.

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he has done his time, everyone deserves a second chance etc- but not many came out and said Rush should be able to own a team in fact many are against it.

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he has done his time, everyone deserves a second chance etc- but not many came out and said Rush should be able to own a team in fact many are against it.

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Could care less whether or not Rush owns a team. I really just think he's milking this whole thing for as much publicity as he can. When he made that ridiculous "Donovan McNabb's only thought of as good because he's black" and they kicked him off ESPN, he took responsibility for his fat mouth and was gracious about resigning. He just said, "ESPN told me they didn't want any part of the controversy I bring, and when it came to that, I'm just gonna walk away. ESPN was very clear they didn't want the controversy." I respected that. With this NFL thing, when the group of partners asked him to withdrawal, he goes, "no, if you want to fire me you go public and fire me". He wanted it public to milk it.

What was that letter about that a bunch of US Congressmen signed that was anti-Rush? They sent it to him and he auctioned it off on eBay or something. He's always doing shit like this. He thinks it gets him listeners and it probably does.

Just think if you're gonna be a fat mouth radio host, delighting in saying things you know are gonna offend at least half the people in the country, you pretty much need to accept that high profile public image jobs where they're just looking for mass acceptance, you don't fit in. Shouldn't go there. The two don't mix. Now, I didn't know that being an NFL owner was one of those jobs, but apparently it is.

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Yeah, ultimately it's whatever the NFL wants to do. But, the reason it's worth arguing about is the NFL is gonna make the decision based on public perception. It's just talking about what the status quo should be.

The Vick issue comes down to what's most important, that he used to practise cruelty to animals vs. that he's served his punishment, is making amends, and now fighting to save animals, surely saving more animals than he ever harmed. I come down squarely on 2nd chances there. And, I'm glad that even though there are a lot of whacko animal right activists who made a lot of noise, I'm glad that most people wanted to see Vick overcome his past.

The Rush issue comes down to having a fat mouth radio host who loves offending half the country vs. the fact that, well versus no fact. He makes no effort to be more acceptable in the public eye. He just runs around offending half the people and then takes offense himself when he can't take a high profile position trying to sell goods to people he offends.

His defense is based on all this nonsense the vitriolic people have made up that he's said. But, I bet that nonsense could be overcome. There's plenty out there Rush has said that irritates the fuck out of people.

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Yeah, ultimately it's whatever the NFL wants to do. But, the reason it's worth arguing about is the NFL is gonna make the decision based on public perception. It's just talking about what the status quo should be.

The Vick issue comes down to what's most important, that he used to practise cruelty to animals vs. that he's served his punishment, is making amends, and now fighting to save animals, surely saving more animals than he ever harmed. I come down squarely on 2nd chances there. And, I'm glad that even though there are a lot of whacko animal right activists who made a lot of noise, I'm glad that most people wanted to see Vick overcome his past.

The Rush issue comes down to having a fat mouth radio host who loves offending half the country vs. the fact that, well versus no fact. He makes no effort to be more acceptable in the public eye. He just runs around offending half the people and then takes offense himself when he can't take a high profile position trying to sell goods to people he offends.

His defense is based on all this nonsense the vitriolic people have made up that he's said. But, I bet that nonsense could be overcome. There's plenty out there Rush has said that irritates the fuck out of people.

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You are making it sound like Vick "wants" to fight to save animals now . Please . He is only doing it because he has to . Trying to make himself look better in the public eye .

He is an asshole for putting dogs in the worst enviroment . Not only did he fight dogs , it was said that he electrocuted them , drowned them , beat them , shot them . Thats pretty much torture .

I like football , but it's the players and the people who recruit these losers who ruin a game that is supposed to be an all american past time . When you start letting criminals and felons into the game , it's no longer a sport that you can find a good role model or a player you can look up to . And i'm saying that for the young kids that look up to these players .

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Professional football is a sport played by men who like to hit and get hit. .

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Really ? I didn't know the QB likes to get hit . Or the wr's , k , Or the punt returner , etc etc etc

And most kids play a sport cause they like it , not because they want to hit someone . Kids in Wisconsin want to be Brett Favre , kids in Indy and NY want to be a Manning . Kids in the north east want to be and get super pussy like brady . Kids from San Fransisco wanted to be or do Joe Montana .

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He is an asshole for putting dogs in the worst enviroment . Not only did he fight dogs , it was said that he electrocuted them , drowned them , beat them , shot them.

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really? I never made that argument, try to follow along. I never thought he'd actually be a team owner at all and never said he would be. I could care less what he owns. the nfl does everything it can to protect its image against controversy. my post was about the media not the nfl.

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...because he is not a racist, you were the one who implied that his thoughts about race were what mattered, not me.

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are you really this disconnected from reality? I'm the one who implied his thoughts about race were what mattered? really? that's the entire fucking point of the controversy and the intent behind the smear campaign against him. paint him and his "thoughts" as racist at all costs, whether it's true or not, even if it means making shit up. also, I never even said he isn't racist you must have assumed that. all I pointed out is that wanting to be an nfl team owner flies in the face of being a racist. which is why my first post was - "if he is in fact the vile, racist, bigot the media wants everybody to believe him to be why would he want to pour millions of dollars of his own money into a team and a league that is %70 black?"

and that's when you responded with "plantations" and "darkies". probably because I was the one that implied thoughts on race mattered, not you.

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This is your last post before disappearing? Really?

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