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#499223 - 10/13/10 10:48 PM
"pull up your boot straps"
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Porn Fucking Master
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We have disability to give to people like this so they don't become cripple tweeters with knives and families. The sad thing is that the people who work the hardest to eliminate programs like these are so well insulated from hardship they simply can not fathom anyone having less opportunity than they do and resent some fucked up person being paid peanuts not to steal from wallmart. I'll take 100 welfare frauds vs 1 person who needs it not getting it. You know all those fucking obnoxious old people/blacks/whatever that piss us all off so much to interact with? We should just give them a check and send them home.
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#499224 - 10/15/10 02:25 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
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#499225 - 10/15/10 04:32 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
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That guy needs boxed for the pics in the other thread, IMNSHO. Quote:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
So, if the top 2% only gets 85% of the wealth, they will be destroyed? And, does money make you stronger or not? Only if you are already rich?
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You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
If thrift is eliminating waste, yes; if it is hoarding capital then that discourages spending and growth.
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You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot pull the wage payers up by starving their markets.
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You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
Then, share. Promote a decent society, instead of a huge cutthroat game of Monopoly.
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You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot have initiative and independence at $8/hr. People need to have a viable opportunity.
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You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
Bullshit, we've been doing it for decades, good times and bad. I agree it's not good. But, unemployment comes from my salary. Disabled cannot do, by definition. Eliminate fraud, yes. People paid into Social Security and Medicare all their lives. We did this for ourselves, and it works, if it isn't strangled by greed.
You cannot grow a prosperous society by starving the common good.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#499226 - 10/15/10 05:28 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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That guy needs boxed for the pics in the other thread, IMNSHO.
Actually he needs to be shot for promoting communism. A sytem of government that the USSR proved doesn’t work.
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So, if the top 2% only gets 85% of the wealth, they will be destroyed? And, does money make you stronger or not? Only if you are already rich?
This isn’t a closed loop system, the wealthy don’t take a bigger piece of the pie, they make more pie for everyone to take a slice of.
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If thrift is eliminating waste, yes; if it is hoarding capital then that discourages spending and growth.
The Democrats (and even a lot of the Republicans in government) are incapable of eliminating waste. That’s what happens when government becomes too large and untransparent to be scrutinized by the voters.
Companies are not sitting on the money they have now because they are hoarding, it’s because they are looking at an uncertain future and don’t want to release capital that will make the difference between life and death for them in the future.
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You cannot pull the wage payers up by starving their markets.
It’s government intervention that makes things cost so much. They drive up costs for everyone with undue regulations and taxes. If it weren’t so big and require so much money just to stay in opertion, things could be less expensive for everyone and such high wages wouldn’t be necessary for a better life. Too many people are taking and not enough people are making.
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Then, share. Promote a decent society, instead of a huge cutthroat game of Monopoly.
They do share. It’s called jobs. Without which the government wouldn’t be able to collect any taxes and grow bigger and more crooked by the year.
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You cannot have initiative and independence at $8/hr. People need to have a viable opportunity.
Actually you can if, you don’t have to buy a lot of union made crap that costs 5 times as much as should, and a great deal of the taxes you pay aren’t being put down on interest of the national debt instead of going to things like social security and medicare, so you have to pay even more taxes.
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Bullshit, we've been doing it for decades, good times and bad. I agree it's not good. But, unemployment comes from my salary. Disabled cannot do, by definition. Eliminate fraud, yes. People paid into Social Security and Medicare all their lives. We did this for ourselves, and it works, if it isn't strangled by greed.
Actually we’re talking about could not can’t. Remarkable how you and your ilk never comprehend the difference.
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You cannot grow a prosperous society by starving the common good.
The common good is free interprise, and you better believe the liberals are starving it, hell they’re trying to destroy it. Without free enterprise you have nothing but the same economic cancer that destoyed the USSR. Wake up before it’s too late.
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#499228 - 10/15/10 07:01 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
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Loc: Dayton
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Some possible insight, please discuss.
Like many, I sat through a couple management and economics classes. Maybe most of you had more, as I did a tech degree. These were taught by, guess who, business people. Focus was on how to operate within a business. And, if I were VP of technical services at a mid-sized corporation, I would be well served by their view of regulation, capital, wages, etc.
Now, translating that education into a macro-economic political philosophy is not proper. It is hoped one can put other things into play than simple bottom line - societal and philosophical questions. Long range good for the whole system, prosperity for most and dignity and survival for all.
We will always have labor and management, semi-skilled workers and shareholders. Giving a disproportionate amount to the top, while the middle class starves, is not good for anyone.
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#499229 - 10/15/10 08:57 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
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This isn’t a closed loop system, the wealthy don’t take a bigger piece of the pie, they make more pie for everyone to take a slice of.
Whether it's closed loop or not, the richer are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer: Click
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They do share. It’s called jobs. Without which the government wouldn’t be able to collect any taxes and grow bigger and more crooked by the year.
True, but this country is entirely too financialized, e.g. over-concern with profits, stock prices. Labor needs to be worth more in this country. Hopefully the markets can figure that out on their own and no government intervention happens.
This shit with China making all the cheap stuff has only been going on like 30 years. Hopefully it's just a matter of the American market not adjusting yet.
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Actually you can if, you don’t have to buy a lot of union made crap that costs 5 times as much as should, and a great deal of the taxes you pay aren’t being put down on interest of the national debt instead of going to things like social security and medicare, so you have to pay even more taxes.
Who's buying shit made by American unions? All that stuff is made overseas. Even without unions, Americans couldn't compete on price. Those people work all day long for like a dollar an hour.
And, the poor and even a lot of the middle class aren't paying anything on the national debt. You saw those numbers being bandied around that with Obama's tax credits it was something like 50% of American families didn't even pay income taxes.
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Bullshit, we've been doing it for decades, good times and bad. I agree it's not good. But, unemployment comes from my salary.
Unemployment insurance needs to be completely reformed. It was a system designed long time ago (in the 50's I think) when people kept there same damn job their entire life and if they lost it they just went looking for another job doing the exact same thing. These days unemployment insurance needs to be about transition, where you can take a part time job making a lot less, spend time studying to adapt your career to the current environment, and still get some kind of subsidy through insurance so that you don't have to sit there and look for another job all day long. So that people can pull themselves up by their boot straps. McCain, who should have been president in '00 and in '08, talked about that in his campaigns.
Disability insurance needs to be completely reformed too. The market is set up so that if you lose your job, you lose your insurance. Not even COBRA for that stuff. And, entrepeuners are bad off with the current system too. Have you looked into buying disability insurance while working for yourself? It's impossible to get at first, and after you've shown a steady stream of income, it's ridiculously expensive as an individual.
They need to drop the social security disability program and de-couple disability insurance from your job, giving government subsidies to those who can't afford it on their own (which isn't go to cost that much, because their income that would be insured isn't that much anyway).
You decouple if from your job and not only is it easier for entrepreneurs to buy it, but you also eliminate a lot of discrimination. Where companies look at somebody who has a health condition and start to think twice about hiring him because if something does happen, they don't want their insurance premiums to get jacked up.
Same goes for health insurance.
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#499230 - 10/15/10 12:39 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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What people fail to understand is the difference between liberalism, communism, and socialism. Liberalism is the wishful thinking, the idiocy despite the warnings of common sense, a wanting for a system that we all know doesn't work. Communism is the supremely delusional attempt to make it happen, with the brutal audacity and recklessly callous disregard for the results. Socialism is the state in between where it mostly ends up. A cynical selling out of inane ideals that could never be, to the very things those people rail about. The result is crony capitalism, what we have now. Power and money for the blessed connected and bupkus for the people. It's time to change that.
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#499231 - 10/15/10 03:03 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
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Yeah, pretty much. Only thing I'd add is that Liberalism is the complete taking advantage of the fact that free markets is what got you in the first place to the point where you start making inane comments about using government force to take money away from the people who have it and giving it to people who don't. I forgot this in my last comment. charin:Quote:
We will always have labor and management, semi-skilled workers and shareholders. Giving a disproportionate amount to the top, while the middle class starves, is not good for anyone.
No one's giving anything to the wealthiest. They're earning it. All the government is doing is taking it away from them.
Don't know where you get that "always gonna have labor and management", etc.. That's part of the whole delusional Liberalism where the idea is we live in a fairy tale that can't be broken. People will be working and organizing no matter what, but they could all be earning a hell of a lot less than they are now.
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