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#494269 - 08/07/10 12:42 AM
Stalin's Summer Residence
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Often called "The Court of the Red Tsar", this is a closely guarded, fully-intact house of Joseph Stalin, in which he lived continuously after the death of his second wife (suicide, no less). It's located smack in the middle of Moscow, only ten minutes from Kremlin, perhaps connected to it by an underground railroad ( more info).
This somber structure must be swarming with ghosts and unpleasant memories to such a degree... that even KGB is reluctant to visit: nobody is allowed inside. The place is still considered "top secret", "off limits" and "under wraps", some 57 years later after Stalin died there.
According to memoirs of Stalin's daughter, Svetlana Alliluyeva, this house was full of Stalin's comrades and party bosses night and day - mostly during the night: incredibly long meals stretched till four in the morning, and during these strange "feasts" most of the political and security issues were discussed (and surely dreaded by all involved).
Note the rich carpet there - an Iranian custom job which took 10 years to complete. According to some sources, it now costs more than a million dollars; perhaps the most expensive carpet ever made:
There were almost no mirrors in the house... (vampires? living dead, anyone? Just kidding, but it's a well-known fact that Stalin disliked mirrors). Also, a strange habit: Stalin liked to live in "room capsules" - all-purpose furnished rooms where he slept, dined and worked, all in the same space. He would occupy these small enclosures willingly, and after a week or so there will move to the next, similar one... This is why his house is full of almost identical rooms with identical sets of furniture (talk about "modular" and "scaled-down" living!).
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#494271 - 08/07/10 02:53 AM
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After Stalin hounded his second wife to commit suicide in 1932, he apparently fucked the help, housekeeper and hairdresser. Best sources on Soviet history are Robert Service, Orlando Figes, and Edvard Radzinsky.
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#494272 - 08/07/10 02:59 AM
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After Stalin hounded his second wife to commit suicide in 1932, he apparently fucked the help, housekeeper and hairdresser. Best sources on Soviet history are Robert Service, Orlando Figes, and Edvard Radzinsky.
I really like how Edvard Radzinsky narrates his documentaries. It's his voice and over-dramatization that make it very entertainingly-funny.
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#494273 - 08/07/10 03:01 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
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One ought to read Service and Figes, too. Radzinsky is brilliant, but some of his theories are just theories.
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#494274 - 08/07/10 03:12 AM
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One ought to read Service and Figes, too. Radzinsky is brilliant, but some of his theories are just theories.
This is one of his Russian documentary things
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#494275 - 08/07/10 03:27 AM
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"One of the bloodiest dictators in the history of mankind Joseph Stalin headed "care for toilers" in his policy. And in order to "create the conditions for organizing the way of life and vacation for a common Soviet man" Joseph Stalin was ready to make the supreme sacrifice. And he sacrificed. Millions of people in the USSR were subjected to repression for numerous reasons, including "impeded implementing the clear idea of the communist vacation".
Stalin, as he was a common Soviet person, liked having a rest. That's why he acquired a dacha. Several dachas, to be exact. His favorite dacha was called Blizhnyaya. It was located really not far from Moscow - in Kuntsevo. Nowadays it is one of Moscow neighborhoods. It is here Stalin met with his suite and gave ceremonial banquets to celebrate the coming of foreign delegations.
In 1941 dacha exact to Blizhnyaya Dacha was built in Kuibyshev. It was planned to evacuate the government there in case Moscow would be surrendered to German invaders. There was one more dacha – Dalnyaya dacha. It was located in former ancient mansion "Lipki".
But the main Stalin's dachas were in the Caucasus. One dacha was located in Sochi, the other – in Abkhazia high in the mountains not far from the city of Garga. In accordance with the architectural plan it resembled Hitler’s Adlerhorst (Eagles Nest) in the Alps. The third dacha was located on the Black seashore in the region of "Zelenyi Mys", in a large park.
Stalin's dacha in Sochi was located (and is still there) in the territory of the sanatorium "Zelenaya Roscha". When the leader wished to have accommodation in health resort, hundreds of experts literary dug over the whole region of Sochi. They assayed soil, water and air in order to find the most environmentally clean plot of land. It was the health resort "Zelenaya Roscha". By the way, in the past the resort was Michailovskoe estate that belonged to Maecenas M.M.Zenzinov in the beginning of the XX century.
Dacha in Sochi like many other Stalin’s dachas were designed by the architect Merzhanov. The only Stalin’s wish about the outer appearance of the house was "no fountains".
After Stalin died, his dachas overtook different fate. Many of them were plundered, others fell into decay. Besides, not so long ago it became known that generalissimo's dacha in Garga was sold for $10 million to the Russian millionaire Oleg Deripaska."
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#494276 - 08/07/10 03:34 AM
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In general an excellent post. I assume the generalissimo reference is ironic, as Stalin was a terrible military strategist, and the tide turned in favor of the USSR as Zhukov gained strategic control.
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#494277 - 08/07/10 04:31 AM
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I really like the Soviet things and especially architecture. Being born in the Soviet Union and witnessing a lot of changes (which I still remember) as a kid in Kiev, it really makes me value a lot of Soviet concepts, in particularly the architecture. I always liked the Soviet architecture from 50s-70s because it just felt so solid in its aesthetics. A lot of Soviet architectural things were misused and under-maintained, especially in the late 80s and in the 90s.
One of my grandfathers was a real hardcore Soviet type of a person. The kind of person that hardcore patriotic Americans would consider "The Classic Soviet Enemy". He was a Communist Party member and used to work as a plumber but then rose up through the Soviet ranks to engineer at the Arsenal plant , then to senior engineer and his last position that my grandma told me was the chief at one of the departments at the Arsenal plant. The grandfather was divorced from my grandmother and he had a new family, but grandma and grandpa were really good friends and I was often brought to the grandpa's apartment for babysitting or just to visit, like 2-3 times every month. I always like visiting grandpa because he had a lot of cool stuff in his place and he always had a lot of interesting things to say. Most of the times that I spent in his apartment I was drawing and grandpa was checking on my progress and would often make corrections and give me tips on how to draw properly.
The things that I remember about grandpa is that he rarely used to smile, had a drafting board in the apartment that he also used to painting, he love to paint and has made a lot of paintings, he smoked a lot, and preferred to smoke the filter-less cigarettes that were called papirosii in red cardboard box and he liked to make tea from a samovar that he had in which he then placed mint leaved the he used to grow in the apartment. The "grandpa smell" was associated with the smell of cigarette smoke. Grandpa also like to listen to the radio that seemed to be always on, especially the political broadcastings of the Soviet Union communist party congress in which they would vote for things, I still remember how often there used to be the countdown timer and the beeping of the votes on the radio.
Grandpa was a real Soviet character.
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#494278 - 08/07/10 04:39 AM
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In general an excellent post. I assume the generalissimo reference is ironic, as Stalin was a terrible military strategist, and the tide turned in favor of the USSR as Zhukov gained strategic control.
I really don't know how good Stalin was as a military strategist but from my readings of the biography of V.Grabin (Soviet artillery engineer) that was published in 1989, in which Grabin mentioned that during pre-WWII and WWII period, Stalin had a strong strong personal opinion and very good knowledge about artillery and military hardware, and would often attend a lot of trials and have a strong opinion about performance, even when it differed from many other Soviet bosses and military experts.
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#494279 - 08/07/10 05:09 AM
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Registered: 09/19/05
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Read the memoirs of Pavel Sudoplatov.
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#494280 - 08/07/10 05:24 AM
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Read the memoirs of Pavel Sudoplatov.
I really got no time to read anything right now. I usually read on the subway or like 1-3 pages while taking a dump. Currently I am reading McDonald's: Behind The Arches. And the next book that is on my list is Making Dough: The 12 Secret Ingredients of Krispy Kreme's Sweet Success. And I also ordered a couple of books from the library that I will just skim and only read like a couple of pages. I haven't been drawing lately so I have a lot of organizing to do and draw some things.
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#494281 - 08/07/10 06:06 AM
Re: Stalin's Summer Residence
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Registered: 12/09/08
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Fascinating topic. If the walls could talk, they'd know to keep their mouths shut.
Isn't it pretty well established that Stalin had the Mrs knocked off, or did the deed himself?
Is it just me or do the bathrooms look eerily like the filthy public toilets at Pike Market in Seattle?
Was Stalin a great tactician or did he just have waves of humans to throw at the enemy? If nothing else, he had the population by the short hairs. Eyes were literally everywhere. He was happy to make the sacrifices, as was said earlier. Made no effort to get his kid released when he was picked up by the Germans. It was amazing the kind of fear he could generate in what, the 15 years from Lenin's death to when Hitler did a heel turn on him? He had to break assloads of eggs to make that kind of omlette.
I've always thought both Hitler and Stalin were less brilliant military leaders than they were simply bully boys. They basically got by on bluff and posturing, right up until they went head to head. By then both thought they were 8 feet tall and bulletproof. Add to that they were both big on symbolic victories. Stalingrad being a perfect example. Two punch drunk boxers with nothing left just flailing at each for a year over a scrap of land with an unfortunately symbolic name.
As Americans, we don't know shit about true tyranny. We wet our shorts over the gov knowing what books we check out at the library, or knowing our financial statements. It was by the grace of God that your granddad was able to prosper to the point he was, because a lot didn't. For no reason other than ending up on a list to fill a quota.
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#494282 - 08/07/10 07:46 AM
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No one will ever know whether she committed suicide or was murdered, kinda like Geli Raubal. Stalin was a poor tactician who had an abundance of humans to throw at the Germans. Zhukov OTOH was quite talented.
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#494283 - 08/11/10 07:39 PM
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#494284 - 08/11/10 09:15 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 12/17/09
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He was happy to make the sacrifices, as was said earlier. Made no effort to get his kid released when he was picked up by the Germans.
The story behind this is classic Stalin. His son was a Lieutenant in the Red Army and was captured by the Germans. They offered to trade him for one of their Generals. Stalin responded to the offer by saying, "Why would I want to trade a General for a Lieutenant?".
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#494286 - 08/12/10 12:58 AM
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One of my grandfathers was a real hardcore Soviet type of a person. The kind of person that hardcore patriotic Americans would consider "The Classic Soviet Enemy". He was a Communist Party member and used to work as a plumber
you are freud's wet dream. 
When I took the career aptitude exam thing, the 1st choice or so was recommended that I would be a plumber.
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#494287 - 08/12/10 04:40 AM
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Would your grandfather say that you are a Nepman?
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#494288 - 08/12/10 07:56 PM
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Would your grandfather say that you are a Nepman?
He said no.
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#494289 - 08/16/10 05:44 PM
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I absolutely can not stand the whole Soviet/Eastern bloc architectural style from the 1950s and 1960s. The whole function over form influence spread across much of America during the same time period resulting in gaggles of alphabet block court houses and other government buildings. The most depressing style of architecture that I can think of. Give me the classic French Renaissance style for these type of buildings any day of the week.
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#494290 - 08/16/10 06:15 PM
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For city buildings, I'd take that 1930's NY Gothic look. For a place on a couple acres, Victorian with the big covered porch, a round section on one corner, and like 2 additions, so you have a mess of staircases inside.
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#494291 - 08/16/10 07:03 PM
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I absolutely can not stand the whole Soviet/Eastern bloc architectural style from the 1950s and 1960s. The whole function over form influence spread across much of America during the same time period resulting in gaggles of alphabet block court houses and other government buildings. The most depressing style of architecture that I can think of. Give me the classic French Renaissance style for these type of buildings any day of the week.
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#494292 - 08/16/10 07:45 PM
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I absolutely can not stand the whole Soviet/Eastern bloc architectural style from the 1950s and 1960s. The whole function over form influence spread across much of America during the same time period resulting in gaggles of alphabet block court houses and other government buildings. The most depressing style of architecture that I can think of. Give me the classic French Renaissance style for these type of buildings any day of the week.
What a stupid response, Alex. It is clear to see that Nazi and Stalinist Architecture, both, are about the most vapid Architectural styles ever built. Neither has any character or soul and are the worst sort of copies of classical elements. Copies without any understanding of scale or context. They are followed closely by the Bauhaus style.
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#494293 - 08/16/10 08:14 PM
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I absolutely can not stand the whole Soviet/Eastern bloc architectural style from the 1950s and 1960s. The whole function over form influence spread across much of America during the same time period resulting in gaggles of alphabet block court houses and other government buildings. The most depressing style of architecture that I can think of. Give me the classic French Renaissance style for these type of buildings any day of the week.
What a stupid response, Alex. It is clear to see that Nazi and Stalinist Architecture, both, are about the most vapid Architectural styles ever built. Neither has any character or soul and are the worst sort of copies of classical elements. Copies without any understanding of scale or context. They are followed closely by the Bauhaus style.
You don't know anything about Soviet architecture and you never been in Russia.
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#494296 - 08/17/10 07:02 AM
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We now know where Chuck got his couch.
As far as architectural styles, I prefer the modern look. No clutter, straight lines with no ornamentation, and the use of natural materials throughout the building.
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#494300 - 08/22/10 08:34 PM
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I'm willing to bet O'Rourke has seen at least a hundred times more Soviet architectural styled buildings than Claude has. O' Rourke has made at least two trips to Russia (at least one of them back when it was still the U.S.S.R.) and wandered over into East Berlin as soon as the wall came down. He's also done stories on Poland, Albania, Bosnia, and pretty much every other country that was part of the Soviet bloc.
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#494301 - 08/22/10 09:42 PM
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I'm willing to bet O'Rourke has seen at least a hundred times more Soviet architectural styled buildings than Claude has. O' Rourke has made at least two trips to Russia (at least one of them back when it was still the U.S.S.R.) and wandered over into East Berlin as soon as the wall came down. He's also done stories on Poland, Albania, Bosnia, and pretty much every other country that was part of the Soviet bloc.
There is all kinds of Soviet Archicture: from the early 1900s to the 1980s. I like the ones that are 1900s-1950s.
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#494302 - 10/15/10 04:22 PM
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...They are followed closely by the Bauhaus style.
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#494303 - 10/16/10 03:59 AM
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I'm willing to bet O'Rourke has seen at least a hundred times more Soviet architectural styled buildings than Claude has. O' Rourke has made at least two trips to Russia (at least one of them back when it was still the U.S.S.R.) and wandered over into East Berlin as soon as the wall came down. He's also done stories on Poland, Albania, Bosnia, and pretty much every other country that was part of the Soviet bloc.
Your little discussion about Soviet-era buildings was less than fascinating, I just found it hilarious anyone would refer to that fuck-up as an authority on anything. Just for starters, his writing on the Bosnian war is militantly ignorant. He's the definition of a lightweight.
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#494304 - 10/16/10 03:35 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Not if he is sitting at a bar.
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#494305 - 10/16/10 04:51 PM
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I cant grasp dial telephones....wtf....what about 911???
I see no HD Blu ray LCD 3D TV's....what a shame....
but one phone was for hooker service....next to command CCCP missile command to strike on USA and next wifey before she passed and then to the Politburo.
BTW...the KGB is not around anymore....its the Federal Security Service.
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#494306 - 10/18/10 01:36 AM
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Most people don't know that Stalin was very short and had a pock marked face. He was almost the perfect leader for Marx's Jew philosophy.
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