Brazzers, the Wal mart of porn, subsidizing any sort of quality or ingenuity for extremely redundant scenes for a price so low, it's worthless.

I've attempted to watch a few of their scenes because I enjoy the performers they shoot, however, even with my favorite chicks, the scenes bore me. They stole all their ideas from Elegent Angel, and the scenes have no sincerity, or quality camera work. The scenes are shot with no attention given to the women at all. It is disgusting porn made for broke frat boys.

I'll take an Elegent, Evil, or Evasive Angel release any day before wasting my time on such sub par production from brazzers. I will pop a boner from a brazzers scene, but I always find myself finishing the job with professionally shot porn, not amateur internet smut. In comparison with kink.com, brazzers looks like it was shot by retards.

I watch porn for women. I am straight. I don't give a fuck about big cocks. I understand a well endowed man is needed to illicit the proper response from the female performer, and for camera angles etc. But do I go around admiring other men's cocks, ever? No. I've never been an athlete, so I don't have a history of showering with men, however, I am a former Marine, and throughout all the time I spent in and out of uniform with other men, I never admired them. Cuz I'm not a fag. I have nothing against fags, and I have got off to all types of alternative porn, but I NEVER watch porn for the men. I watch it for the fucking women.

I am into bdsm/rough sex, but, I am also into women recieving pleasure, and the fantasy of the woman enjoying being fucked. Brazzers does not cater to this concept at all. Their cameramen and male talent they shoot have no understanding of how to treat or fuck women. They have the mentality of a mob of prison fags.

I downloaded this scene .... Watch this and you will understand my distaste for their shooting style. If you don't like black chicks, than this scene isn't for you. I love curvy ethnic women, nyomi banxx is one hot bitch, and the other girl had good energy to add to the scene. However, all of the ladies sexual energy was wasted on brazzers pathetic bar of quality.

Here are the problems with this scene. Starts out fine, chicks are both giving a proficient wet blowjob together. Next the scene is completely ruined. Firstly, the cameraman director sucks so bad he didn't direct his performers to expose the initial penetration, and fucking that ensued afterwwards. Secondly, they go straight for the anal. I like anal, but women don't have prostate glands so the cunt hould be fucked first, and I wanna see the woman enjoying a good snatch rogering. So we don't pussies get fucked, lame, sad, incomplete. Now, the idiot ugly arabian/jewfucklatinFLABBY stuntcock fucks the scene up just as bad. Keep in mind, I love rough sex and fisting, but this dude has no regard for easing his big cock in the chicks ass and just starts tearing their fucking anus' with no regard for pleasing the woman, or even any kind of human decency. I've fucked a lot of chicks, and no one likes their asshole to just be torn into. These girls in the scene are willing to give a great performance, and they can't even do it with captain stabbin violating their aholes with no abandon. Nextly back to the camera work and directing, because at this point we barely have seen any penetration due to piss poor videography, and the director can't even tell the other chick to lick some clit in order to save grace over the rest of the most non sexually arousing elements of disgrace transpiring. And of course the scene concludes without having the girls fuck in any good positions because of shitty directing. When you have black chicks in scenes their ass is the showcase, and you need to shoot the ass of a sista from all angles. I'm assuming the scene was cut short due to ruthless rodney's retarded anal reaming.

Brazzers, along with tubesites are actually what is ruining the adult industry, not the economy. I don't give a fuck about the economy, I'm still gonna jerk off to chicks I find appealing. When the economy was at it's height, men would go broke due to their porn addictions. It is the fact that the whole adult industry has allowed itself to be exploited, rather than doing the exploiting. Just to remind you all, I like rough, nasty porn scenes, none of which brazzers provides. And as much as I want to issue violent threats to those who I call my enemy, I must digress...

I forgot, what ideas brazzers didn't steal from elegent angel, they stole from naughty america and bang bros. Both of which still have better scenes than brazzers.

It hit me now while discussing this with a girl in the industry who has worked for them just how counterproductive the existense of the brazzers is, and how exploitative to the female talent it is. I know they underpay talent too, with their "day rates."

The women are the reason we join brazzers sites, we don't join cuz we think it's cool to be a brazzers member. I find it sick and sad that all the girls see from brazzers is a 1000 dollar check and the door hitting their ass on the way out. It'd be ethical, respectable, or even noble if brazzers would cut a royalty check to the girls that work for them, or give them a cut of all the affiliate money the women they shoot have drawn in for them. Maybe so the girls have some money to buy preparationH, or some valtrex after being infected and sodomized by their male talent. I noticed the brazzers has no forum, maybe because they don't want people to expose their brand of republicanfratboyNAZIporn.

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I downloaded this scene (link to pirated material).

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You got it for free, so why do you complain?

I was already expecting some ignorant unenlightened replies, so there is one out the way. I didn't pay for it cuz it wasn't worth it. I am a paying member of kink.com sites, and I have supported independent porn chick's sites. Let's try not to derail please.

Ok. I don't like brazzer scenes too(that's why I've never been a member) but I have to give them props for doing a service for the whole industry by trying to lower the price of whores(if you're actually speaking the truth).

Yes "foregoing" would be lot less moronic !

Because their livelihood isn't worth the pay. They are lower than humans, they are whores... I get it, and it's all been said before. Negotiable rates are understandable, especially for girls who lack in looks or cocksucking/fucking ability, but this is a vicious attempt at a monopoly that is a major contribution to the decline of the industry. And obviously porn isn't so profitable or enjoyable when Carmella Bing who was ravaged repeatedly on Brazzers left the business to be a prostitute. Lower rates are fine, if work is steady. I always stand by the women. They are not all filthy drug addicts. I've actually worked with them, and many of them deserve much more. And broaden your conceptual understanding. When I say "more" I mean royalties so when they go 2 to 4 weeks between a shoot they have money to get by. Even 300 bucks a month to a respectable girl in the industry is reasonable for the revenue they garner for these internet companies.

As for tube sites, still unregulated, and plaguing porn valley's pocketbooks.

What? Are you kidding me? Those whores earn at least 150k a year, possibly much more. How is that low for a job that doesn't require any qualifications except for having a cunt?

And how on Earth can brazzers or anyone else ever monopolize porn? We're talking an industry extremely low barrier to entry. One needs only a camera and a girl willing to fuck him in order to make porn of his own. Any kind of monopoly in porn is therefore a complete nonsense.

Also, I think the main problem with royalties is that most of the whores would rather accept 1000 bucks in cash immidiately then a total of 1500 dollars in several payments over a couple of years.

If the women of porn unionize , it will be the end of porn

I can see their slogan now : WHORES UNITE

They provide a service to the public, they make something close to what a government worker makes. Salaries that need regulation are that of athletes. You obviously aren't face to face with anyone in the industry who have been going fucking broke over the last year.

I apologize for misuse of subsidizing. I write from the heart and not from the head sometimes.

I don't know if ur aware of the current cost of living, but anyone making less than 50,000 a year on the west coast is fucking broke. Every girl who was making 10 grand from porn 2 years ago is lucky to make 4 grand now. If any porn whore is living high and mighty right now, it's from hooking.

How is it not a monopoly when such a vast number of adult sites have cut production. No one needs to join a girl's website anymore because she is on brazzers. They have done the same thing wal mart has done to independent business. Naughty America rarely uses make up artists anymore for fucks sake. There have been a shit ton of websites that have shut down, some good, some just money traps. "Wake up and smell the maple nut crunch."

I support the women, you will never change my ideals.

You don't buy a cd because it says "<Virgin Records," you buy it cuz of the artist on the record. The artist recieves royalties for moving product. Ethically, the same philosophy should apply to porn girls who garner sign ups and traffic you heartless tool.

How many Brazzers' scenes have you seen, including the one you described?

I've watched their previews, but that really doesn't matter, because I know girls and guys who work for them. As I previously said, they stole formulas from other companies, are selling it for extrememly cheap and giving nothing back to the porn community or the performers.

What thread is that jeff steward quote to gia in?

I think the problem with porn is that its too trendy now , and with all the "caught on tape" vids . it's just made it worse .

You can go to any site now or porn shop , and buy/see vids of super good looking young girls getting their freak on . It's almost like it's ok now for every 18 year old girl to do porn .

Now whatever amount of money they want to take for doing scenes is their own fault . I mean , pretty girls put themselves there , they are not forced to do scenes .

The regular media tv/cable stations have turned america into the slut capitol of the world , cause thats what they watch on a regular basis .

If a guy has to remind everyone around him several times that he is not a fag - chances are that he is probably a fag.

Thanks for pointing me in there direction,,,I just signed up for a life time membership...

Thanks again Dude......

Brazzers & NA =

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I appreciate it, but if you're going to support the women, your support should also go out to the directors, the lighting guy, the photog, the p.a., and all the way down to the guy who sweeps up the office. We (here in the biz) are all in this together and it affects us all.

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You don't buy a cd because it says "<Virgin Records," you buy it cuz of the artist on the record. The artist recieves royalties for moving product. Ethically, the same philosophy should apply to porn girls who garner sign ups and traffic you heartless tool.

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Residuals wouldn't work in porn. Do you mean every girls who has ever worked for Brazzers should be entitled to them or just the faves like Carmella Bing and such? If a porn company did that, great, but since they dont, it's not unfair. The porn companies have enough to keep track of let alone calculating what percentage traffic did Carmella bring of total traffic brought then the residual percent. Also, how would the performer know if they were giving her the right amount? Is the company going to show her the financial reports? As much as this is a business, the reality is that things operate on a shorter timeline than non-porn businesses. It's very ambitious of the performer to think long-term and want residuals, but she could apply that ambition twrds mainstream acting where that's possible. The only problem is that it's more of a long shot to become an actress on a weekly sitcom than it is to fuck on film. It's not a value or moral judgement. Just comparing the chances of success and effort needed. A girl's outlet for residuals in porn is through her own website, rather that's only her own or part of a bigger company (ala Phoenix Marie/Reality Kings). Much harder work on the girl's part than sitting back and raking in the resids, but that's just how it is. Many professions require taking someone to take their own inituative if they want more income instead of continued earnings on past labor.

Can we please not derail. You guys keep latching onto the most insignificant parts of my thought. There is a broad and general statement here.

I am pro porno, I am not Shelley Lubben. I want the industry to endure. I've met a lot of great people in the industry, you being one of them Gia, and I just feel that xpt is one of the only things that unite a great deal of adult film workers in the SF Valley.
The industry is heading in a direction that no one can predict at this point. I support everyone willing to offer a solution or contribution.
Gia you know a lot of people that aren't prostituting themselves are hurting for cash. If u don't know that then you aint so hip baby. Walk into LA Direct's office and notice how there are barely any shoots booked at all on their schedule. I know a girl who is coming out retirement that looks great as ever and spiegler told her she would not get much work.

Brazzers is also one of the most prominent advertisers on sites with large quantities of pirated material. Along with Penthouse (via Adult Friend Finder), Reality Kings / Bang (via Fling.com) and Fleshlight, Brazzers is one of the companies that tries to operate within our industry while at the same time working alongside tube sites and piracy forums.

Will our industry ever wake up and confront companies like Brazzers? Probably not, because those with the power to do anything are either greedy fucks with no ethics or they are a bunch of pussies that won't call anyone out.

If every idea I've presented here is completely invalid, then have Malice delete the fucking thread. I will also write a public apology to Brazzers for all of my delusional slander.

Yeah Gia, I think the royalty thing would be based on the overal attitude and performance of the girl. If it is someone like Harmony Rose who is an intelligent non crack whore who does multiple scenes they should cut her a "thank you for bringing us business check quarterly." Not all girls want their own website, and affiliate programs are condolences to websites that aren't subscribed to. It's this stuff they used to teach people, called "taking care of people."

I'm guessing Brazzers makes atleast 5 million a month, so why not?

Brazzers and RK pay talent the most of all the internet companies. They also pay non sex extras ridiculous amounts too. PW's flock to the Brazzers Forum to beg for work, it's fan boi paradise over there. Brazzers is a Company based out of Canada. Brazzers ships in Canadians to work production for them here in the states so they don't have to pay them very much. They get the american crews to train the Canadian crews and then fire or let go of the american crew. It's win win for Brazzers in the long run.