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#336127 - 06/06/08 12:21 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 10/30/06
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The whole thing is just so retarded to me. We're the only legal industry who has to deal with this kind of bullshit from our own government. Unreal. 
Every single industry has to put up with bullshit from the gov. The FACT is, like it or not, there are laws on the books regarding obscenity, and like it or not, Max's product is in violation of those laws, as evidenced by the guilty verdicts.
The porn buissnes for years has flouted many many laws(unliscend agents,illegal workers form other countries,cash payments{dodging taxes},not to mention complete disregard for any health and safety laws,no workers comp insurance.
It is time for the ADULT industry to grow up and do something other that whine and complain about how persecuted they are. If you want to disregard the law and play with fire then dont complain when you get burned.
Should there be laws against obscene material, I dont know. But the fact is there are laws, and Max's material is in violation of those laws. If you dont like it, then do something about it.
And regarding the post that seems to justify jury nullification, that is a very dangerous, and slippery slope my friend. Juror independence can be much more dangerous to an innocent person, than helpful to someone who is guily but hoping the jury will "let him off" because they dont like the law. Some would say this is what the Max jury did. They ignored that Jaded sent the videos and convicted Max anyway. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it.
In every mainstream business the laws are defined, and they're not in porn. DVDs are illegal if they're found to be "obscene by community standards"...
Well, what's the definition of "obscene"? Is it fisting? peeing? anal? fake tits? degradation? popshots? What is it exactly so that producers can prevent being arbitrarily arrested?
How about "community"? Could this mean a neighborhood, kind of like a housing plan? A small town? city? state? How about the entire country?
The rules are only defined when they want to prosecute someone and that's not cool in ANY country, let alone one that's supposed to be the "Land of the free".
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#336130 - 06/06/08 12:38 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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That's what the appeal process is for.
Again, it may not even be determined at that point. Appellate courts love, love, LOVE to duck complex issues when a case can be decided upon more settled ones.
Here, I would not be surprised if the case gets remanded for a new trial based, among other things, upon whether the Judge's decision to allow the Government to play excerpts of the charged titles violated Max's right to Due Process, the argument being that the ruling improperly shifted the burden of proof to defendants. The fact that defendants were allowed to show the jury the remainder of the material is irrelevant; they should never have been placed in that position. The burden was on the Government to prove that the charged material, taken as a whole, violates community standards and the excerpts ruling put it upon the defense.
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#336131 - 06/06/08 12:40 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
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The porn buissnes for years has flouted many many laws(unliscend agents,illegal workers form other countries,cash payments{dodging taxes},not to mention complete disregard for any health and safety laws,no workers comp insurance.
My issue is free speech.
So, on these points I won't support them. Who would?
Most porn producers seems to be scumbags and felons. This community loves to attack Gigi's "boyfriend" because he's a registered sex offender. Another prominent one I won't mention is a convicted felon. And, I'm still sure one who committed suicide had something to do with his newlywed's demise.
If they are in violation of employment laws, tax laws, et. al., that everyone else has to follow, they should be hammered for it.
That's not free speech. And, I won't sympathize with them.
I HATE Max's work.
If you are familiar with my porn "likes", imagine how bad it has to be for me not to like teeny bopper porn. I wouldn't notice if Max went out of business.
But, convicting Max just threatened MY free speech.
How can you know in advance that a community finds something offensive? And why should a community decide what I can and cannot watch? Where do "community standards" end?
The law is unjust. And, the verdict needs to be overturned.
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#336133 - 06/06/08 12:50 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
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In every mainstream business the laws are defined, and they're not in porn. DVDs are illegal if they're found to be "obscene by community standards"...
Well, what's the definition of "obscene"? Is it fisting? peeing? anal? fake tits? degradation? popshots? What is it exactly so that producers can prevent being arbitrarily arrested?
How about "community"? Could this mean a neighborhood, kind of like a housing plan? A small town? city? state? How about the entire country?
The rules are only defined when they want to prosecute someone and that's not cool in ANY country, let alone one that's supposed to be the "Land of the free".
ALL pornographers, MAx included, are fully aware of the ambiguity in the laws. To define 'community standards' and "obscen" we have juries(selected by both the prosocution and DEFENSE). Is it a perfect system? NO. Its far from it. If your argument is that there should be no obscenity laws, then it is up to you and people who share your views to elect representitives who will change those laws. If your argument is that Max's material is not obscene and does not fit the MILLER TEST, then i would have to ask, If Max's material is not obscen then what is?
And nobody has ever been ARBITRARILY arrested on obscenity charges. Most obscenity charges are bought against the so called 'worst of the worst' which is the exact category that many, even in the adult industry and right here on this board, put Max in.
Put aside the Legal definition(whatever that is) of obscene,and use YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT to answer one question.
Do you think Max's material is obscene?
I think the answer to that question is an absolute yes. Now should it be illegal? Right now it is, like it or not. And for the record I dont like it. Freedom of speech is NOT absolute.(yelling fire in a crowded theatre) Where we draw the line depends on who we elect to office, and if you think DEMOCRATS will change these laws or not enforce them, then, in my opinion, you're wrong. Rememeber it was the democrats who gave us the PMRC and the movie rating system(in order to make decisions FOR YOU, and not let you make that decision yourself)
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#336134 - 06/06/08 01:05 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
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and like it or not, Max's product is in violation of those laws, as evidenced by the guilty verdicts.
We don't know that yet. That's what the appeal process is for.
As of righ now Max is Guilty of the charges bought against him. We know that because the jury foreman read 20 guilty verdicts out loud in the courtroom. Just because he has appealed, or will appeal the VERDICTS does not change the fact that he is now GUILTY of those charges. He will be sentenced on SEPT. 5 because he is guilty. Until the appeals court says otherwise, he IS guilty.
Now what grounds will Max base his appeals? Will he defend his product as 'not being obscene', or will his appeals be based on technicalities in the law(jury uinstructions etc.)
Will he have the guts to appeal on constitutional issues, or will he go the technicality route.
An opinion for PORNLAW would be greatly appreciated here.
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#336135 - 06/06/08 01:18 PM
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And nobody has ever been ARBITRARILY arrested on obscenity charges.
Tell that to Lenny Bruce.
As for Max, he'll appeal on every issue his lawyers he can think of. What I was saying above is simply that, if the Eleventh Circuit finds grounds for reversal on a more settled issue (like Due Process) they need not even consider Miller.
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#336136 - 06/06/08 02:27 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
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And nobody has ever been ARBITRARILY arrested on obscenity charges.
Tell that to Lenny Bruce.
As for Max, he'll appeal on every issue his lawyers he can think of. What I was saying above is simply that, if the Eleventh Circuit finds grounds for reversal on a more settled issue (like Due Process) they need not even consider Miller.
What i meant by nobody being arbitrarily arrested is that it is usually the ones who "poke the bear", like Rob Black and Max who get busted. There are leterally hundreds of people the feds could get on the same charges, but it is usually the 'high profile' ones who get chosen. Its not like they throw all the names in ahat and choose one unlucky bastard. Max and Rob and stagliano were chosen for reason, not arbitrarily. (imho)
And yes Lenny Bruce may disagree, but he too liked to "poke the bear".
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#336138 - 06/06/08 07:13 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Poodle Killer
Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 812
Loc: Rubbing dicks with strange guy...
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Great news...!!
Couldn't of happened to a better guy,,,I can,t wait for the sentencing...I am hoping five to seven..  ]We will see how he likes getting corn-holed..
And if i was the prosecutor,I would refile the other ten charges and go after him again..
Max will now begin to die a slow death...Its a good day Laddy,,It's a good day.... 
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#336139 - 06/06/08 08:45 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 9181
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For Richard Hungwell, who I suspect is not a U.S. citizen, and the rest of you, please recall Alexis de Tocqueville: Quote:
"...the moral authority of the majority is partly based on the notion that there is more intelligence and wisdom in a number of men united than a single individual, and that the number of legislators is more important that their quality."
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"The sovereign can no longer say, 'You shall think as I do on pain of death': but he says, 'You are free to think differently from me, and to retain your life, your property, and all that you possess; but if such be your determination, you are henceforth an alien along your people. You may retain your civil rights, buy they will be useless to you, for you will never be chosen by your fellow-citizens, if you solicit their suffrages; and they will affect to scorn you, if you solicit their esteem. You will remain among men, but you like an impure being; and those who are mostly persuaded of your innocence will abandon you too, lest they should be shunned in their turn.'"
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#336141 - 06/06/08 10:48 PM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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If one more sick, left side of the bell curve asshole tries to tell me about his house in the suburbs and his two soccer playing boys named Wally and Beaver, I just might do something out of the mainstream.
Every advancement made by mankind was because someone thought outside the mainstream. Thank God for the Max Hardcores in engineering and science, philosophy, medicine, and the arts. I refuse to attempt to conform to "community standards". And so far, my life has been a lot more interesting than anything I've ever heard from the Ward Cleavers of the world.
For some reason, Pleasantville comes to mind. Weird.
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We're the only legal industry who has to deal with this kind of bullshit from our own government. Unreal.
Simply because that same government & the sheeple peon fucks who inhabit it want to do away with you, Viz.
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The rules are only defined when they want to prosecute someone and that's not cool in ANY country, let alone one that's supposed to be the "Land of the free".
Like obsenity laws, that slogan is really fucking outdated. I haven't been 'free' since I've been able to drive.
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#336142 - 06/07/08 10:14 AM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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Well, i got banned again from ADT. A few good doses of reality and they couldnt handle it. Just because I dont believe in the right wing christian conspiracy, I guess thats not acceptable over there.
Not one single juror on the Max case could even be remotely considered a right wing conservative. Just 12 average random selected people, screened and approvedby the defense and presecution.
And since I now cant respond to the free swipes theyre taking at me, I would appreciate the opportunity to respond to Tricia D. here.......she questions my AGENDA.
My agenda now, and for the last 25 years has been to make ALL sex work legal. The single biggest obstacle tomakeing this a reality is,believe it or not, the porn industry in california. Their REFUSAL to accept any kind of regulation(health safety, liscens agents,and liscensed sex workers just like in nevada) is preventing any steps forward towrds this goal.
Another thing they didnt like at ADT was my pointing out that all the yahooing about standing up for the first ammendment and when given the chance, Max sat there silent an never took the stand(perfectly within his rights),but surely not consistant with a FREE SPEECH advocates usual stance. Of course, If Max took the stand, and the prosecutor asked him about what he knew about obscenity laws, it would have sealed the conviction. For the same reasons, our next defender of free speech, j. Stagliano will probably do the same thing, (time will tell), or more likely, cop a plea.
But what really riled them on ADT was when I pointed out that you dont have to be a right wing nut to be disgusted by porn like max produces. Just wait until your ten year old daughter asks you what double anal is after she presses one wrong key on the computer looking for her pogo game site. I think people on these boards give WAY to much credit to the vast Right wing conspiracy. There was not a single juror who could be considered a RIGHT winger.
And if you think this conviction will have impact in porn valley you aint seen nothing yet. This was just a little jab, the real knockout punch is coming from Cal-Osha. I've been trying to work for over two decades now to make sex work legal by working from the side of the workers. Now I will turn to the govt for assistance as much as I regret it.
So while your busy looking over your shoulders for the next big obscentiy case, keep a little eye out for th OSHA guys. I PROMISE you will see OSHA in porn valley NEXT WEEK.
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#336143 - 06/07/08 10:51 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
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There was not a single juror who could be considered a RIGHT winger.
There was no Christian on the jury?
No one whose kid was in a religious parochial school?
There was no creationists?
THOSE ARE ALL RIGHT WING LOONEYS!
You have NO IDEA what these people are.
Being disgusted isn't the issue you complete waste of flesh. Allowing free speech GUARANTEES you will be disgusted. If you can't tolerate being disgusted, you don't merit free speech and should shut up.
I have no problem with OSHA regulating health. I have no problem with California finding porn actors, like mainstream actors, to be employees and not "free lance" when it comes to worker's comp, etc. If providing protection for employees "ruins" the porn industry, TOUGH! Not my issue. Porn will get NO support from me.
I have a problems with people interfering with free speech on any level. We have just gone thru years of being told that if we didn't support this mental midget jeebus freak trying to get revenge for his daddy, you were called a traitor.
That scares me. And, it starts on the fringes and works its way in.
Whether that's Max gagging girls, the battle flag, the Turner Diaries, FOX News or things that don't disgust me ... I oppose any intrusion into free speech. Hell, I even oppose almost every ban on this site.
There is as simple way of not viewing Max's work. Don't buy it.
You have the distinction of being the first person I know of who deserved an ADT ban. You don't believe in free speech, so you shouldn't be entitled to it. You disgusted the people on ADT and got exactly what you would do to Max.
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#336144 - 06/07/08 11:21 AM
Re: Trial Update: Max Found Guilty on 10 Counts
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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There was not a single juror who could be considered a RIGHT winger.
There was no Christian on the jury?
No one whose kid was in a religious parochial school?
There was no creationists?
THOSE ARE ALL RIGHT WING LOONEYS!
You have NO IDEA what these people are.
Being disgusted isn't the issue you complete waste of flesh. Allowing free speech GUARANTEES you will be disgusted. If you can't tolerate being disgusted, you don't merit free speech and should shut up.
I have no problem with OSHA regulating health. I have no problem with California finding porn actors, like mainstream actors, to be employees and not "free lance" when it comes to worker's comp, etc. If providing protection for employees "ruins" the porn industry, TOUGH! Not my issue. Porn will get NO support from me.
I have a problems with people interfering with free speech on any level. We have just gone thru years of being told that if we didn't support this mental midget jeebus freak trying to get revenge for his daddy, you were called a traitor.
That scares me. And, it starts on the fringes and works its way in.
Whether that's Max gagging girls, the battle flag, the Turner Diaries, FOX News or things that don't disgust me ... I oppose any intrusion into free speech. Hell, I even oppose almost every ban on this site.
There is as simple way of not viewing Max's work. Don't buy it.
You have the distinction of being the first person I know of who deserved an ADT ban. You don't believe in free speech, so you shouldn't be entitled to it. You disgusted the people on ADT and got exactly what you would do to Max.
II think your equating all christians as right wing loonies i is as accurat as saying all muslims are fanatatical
terrorists. Its simply not true. Unfortunately for those who share your beliefs, those you disagree with have the same free speech rights as you do.
One might ask, why do they have the right to force their values on us? Thats a good question, but what gives you the right to force YOUR value system on them? Its a two way street.
This supposed bastion of free speech, and you agree with banning someone because they dont agree with you. You just killed any claim you have to free speech. YOU HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT THE CHRISIAN RIGHT DOES. YOU NOBETTER THAN THEY ARE
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#336145 - 06/07/08 11:52 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 07/14/06
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One might ask, why do they have the right to force their values on us? Thats a good question, but what gives you the right to force YOUR value system on them? Its a two way street.
WTF, I choose to purchase and watch adult material made for adults by adults in MY OWN FUCKING HOUSE, I'm not pushing my values on anyone, who are they to decide what I can watch and not. They came to MAX, he did not go to them, even after numerous warnings on his web site and on his videos they disregarded it all and forced their purist interests on him/us.
The simple truth still stands, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON"T FUCKING WATCH IT! Their response is NO you can't watch it either, this is my country NOT yours!
Do you honestly think there is not a large majority of people in the US who DO want to watch this, of course there is, what do you say to those people, why do the rights of others trespass over the minority simply because they are in the positions of power?
And don't fall back on the "if you don't like it you need to change the political environment speech" thats a cop out response, simply because we will always be the minority our voice can only be heard by screaming, and its the rule of enforcing the rights of the little people over the popular majority that we should always be concerned with, without that, this country is doomed!
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#336147 - 06/07/08 12:17 PM
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Well, i got banned again from ADT. A few good doses of reality and they couldnt handle it. Just because I dont believe in the right wing christian conspiracy, I guess thats not acceptable over there.
And if you think the ADT bois are right wingers, you must think Gunker and Elab are like Nazis. 
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#336148 - 06/07/08 12:30 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 07/14/06
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btw, All people who think God is real are dangerous.
People like Christians & Muslims who think that their path is the only path to God are BEYOND dangerous. And, I will fight all those that would compel me to behave under their code.
Someone made the analogy or inference once that Porn is better for us then Jesus, and I wholeheartedly agree, Religion is about control and separation, it creates the god complex of thinking you are acting for some higher power and this gives you the right to trespass, anything that espouses "this is my Law OBEY" simply based on metaphysical mumbo-jumbo and religious dogma is defective, we all know the reality of that, but so many are raised in these cults they don't know how to think "outside" the box.
Religion at one time was a necessity, now it's just an over indulged opiate.
Porn, is an overindulged opiate, but last time I checked millions of people are not dying for a God simply because I want something to beat off too!
Your scientific advancement is not being halted by porn simply because adults perform sex acts on video.
Porn is not flying planes into buildings in the name of God!
Porn fans are not picketing funerals of dead solders and praising God for killing Fags!
You decide the lesser of two evils.
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#336149 - 06/07/08 02:43 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/07
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Don't think it is only the religious right who is threatening the first amendment. The bible thumpers are not the ones enacting hate speech laws and free speech "zones" on college campuses. That would be the academia and student governments at these universities and colleges the majority of which are on the completely opposite end of the spectrum from the student body at Bob Jones and Liberty Universities. Just because the porn industry is not liable to be under attack if a Democrat is in the White House does not mean that the First Amendment will not be.
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#336150 - 06/07/08 03:01 PM
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Perv's right: The Dworkins of this world are just as dangerous as the mullahs.
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#336152 - 06/07/08 04:36 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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Aside from the considerable legal and factual complexities of the case, I have long believed that my enemy's enemy is at least an ally, and since I regard the Bush regime and its DoJ as an enemy of liberty, to my mind that makes Max an ally.
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#336153 - 06/07/08 07:01 PM
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Gag Factor Guru
Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
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This is just fucked up.
The two burial flags in my dining room are from my Marine mother and my career Marine father, I am supposed to join my brother and them in Arlington after I'm done. I did two overseas tours in an elite Army intelligence unit, and have worked on defense projects for most of my technical career. I love freedom, and I think I have done enough to say, this is just fucked up.
This current administration has bankrupted this country in so many ways, I have literally cried. I used to report directly to the NSA, and was proud and quiet about it. Now this great weapon is being used against we, the people. I love to hike and camp, well, they've fucked that up every way they can get away with. Consumer protection is overseen by corporate puppets. Poverty is expanding, and so are the prisons. Is our children learning? Not civics, obviously. We use chemical weapons, against innocent civilians, in a country that was no real threat to us. We killed the country's President's sons and displayed the bodies on TV for the world to see, against all military protocol, but are ashamed to show our own fallen soldiers returning home. The ACLU may well spend the rest of my life trying to gain back the freedoms we lost 2001-2004.
And then, the dumbass people, yes, we, the people, re-elected this. With a Republican majority in the legislature.
It makes me cry when I really wonder if I care about the war machines I help improve. I'm a career military/defense person from a career military family, wondering if it is worth defending anymore.
Like always, I'll give we the people one more last chance.
It is well and good to discuss legal technicalities, but this is just fucked up.
If you don't think this stuff with Max is just fucked up, then you don't know your ass from the hole I'll join my father in.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#336154 - 06/07/08 07:50 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/09/08
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in no way support the outrageous positions of the political right. I just refuse to call them names and I support their right to free speech. Are obscenity laws absurd? of course they are. But they are in FACT the "law of the land". We need to get those laws changed, and by using the over the top retoric,like, "ALL PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD ARE DANGEROUS', as stated earlier in this thread you do the argument fon favor.
Why does the political right have the power that they do? Because their are alot of them and they VOTE like minded people into office. If as many people felt as assulted by the right as those here think , then vote your like minded people into office and help change things.
The law is the law and the 12 average people(screened by the defense and prosecution) applied the law as they saw it, given the facts presented. While their decision, based on the LAW, may have been correct, it doesnt even pass the smell test when it comes to being morally correct.
If ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DANGEROUS, i guesss that covers about 75% of all americans. I simply dont think that 75% of all americans are dangerous, Sorry if that upsets people.
first GWB was 'owmed; byt the pharmacutical companies,then the insurance companies,then the right wing took control, and then the oilcompanies etc etc etc. Which is it? I'd put my money on the oil companies over th right wing any day.
And by the way, did one single democrat, or libertarian polititian show any support for MAX? Quick answer...NO
I just dont give the right wing as much credit as the extreme left wing does.
To everyone hear who describes the political right as oversealous right wing nutsjobs, how do you describe yourself.......moderate,left of center, or god forbid extreme left wing bleeding liberal socialist(hhillary). And before you even say it, just because you dissent form my opinion I do not think you are insane, perhaps wrong, but not a loonatic nutjob.
Look at all the political name calling these days. Ever see an L.A. Times newspaper.....in 2007 a study done by a jounalism student at UCLA showed that derogatory terms describing the political right, outnumbered derogaroty terms desctibing the left by over 250 to one, in articles that appeared on the editorial or commentary page. Kind of like here. One single news outlet could be considered right wing and that is FOX. But if you describe Fox as right wing then I would assume that for the sake of fairness you would describe CNN,NBC ABC,CBS MSNBC, AND EVEN COMEDY NETWORK,as (look out here comes the l word)leftis liberal. Oh yeah, the right has a bunch of radio hosts too. The left doesnt have radio hosts because, according to the ratings, nobody wants to listen to all that whining and name calling for hours at a time.
Now please, let the personal attacks begin.
Edited by misterz (06/07/08 08:23 PM)
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#336156 - 06/07/08 08:20 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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I'm not interfering with what goes in their houses. They are interfering with what might go in mine.
btw, All people who think God is real are dangerous.
People like Christians & Muslims who think that their path is the only path to God are BEYOND dangerous. And, I will fight all those that would compel me to behave under their code.
My code doesn't compel them to do anything but leave me alone
Observant Christians are America's Taliban. End of Story.
Just for the record, please give me ONE example of how they(the right wing loonies0 have ever in any way had any effect at or 'interfere with what might go on in mine(your house)? And before you cite this verdict remember, it was 12 average people, not the right wing in the deliberation room).
And you really dont see how calling about 50% of all americans (observant chrisians) are akin to the taliban.
And in what way have you ever been 'COMPELLED TO BEHAVE UNDER THEIR CODE?" Just one little example would be ok.
And while we enjoy our porn remember, people who live under differnt codes that you have been 'forced' to accept your codes, as evidenced by the overwheliming availabily of pornography. And i agree, that too bad for them, but I wil not deny their right to 'persue happiness' in the type of society they desire.
Eminence front(its a put on)
And to describe th VOTING process as a COP OUT to getting things changed, well then what do you suggest? How else do you CHANGE things.. Or is screaming all you can do?
And gunker, as usual, as Ive state many times before, when you have been beaten in the debate resort to spell check. Thanks for throwing in the white flag. That just about sums up the level of debate here at xxxporntalk. You guys crack me up.
THE LAWS EXIST. DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE IF YOU WANT THEM CHANGED, OR JUST KEEP CALLING GWB A MORON IF THATS REALLY THE BEST YOU CAN DO.
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#336157 - 06/07/08 08:26 PM
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#336159 - 06/07/08 08:53 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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misterz,
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If you don't think this stuff with Max is just fucked up, then you don't know your ass from the hole I'll join my father in.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
Mob rule morality was dismissed in the 1780's, when the original states demanded a Bill of Rights.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
+1 The BILL of Rights is the rights that the people give to the government, not the other way around. Any rights not specifically enumerated to the federal govt. explicitly in the constitution are reserved for the stes. Hence we live in an a REPRESENTITIVE REBULIC, not a DEMOCRACY. A true democracy is detrimental to the minority, a republic protects the rights of the monority while still holding to the overall concept 'majority rule." Thats why sometimes someone who doesnt get as many votes as the other guy wins. And that doesnt mean the election was stolen. It actually means, believe it or not, the system works. I know this is a political concept that is probably way to deep for alot of people here, thats why it so frustrating for people like myself to participate on these boards. FUNDAMENTAL misunderstandings of our political process are everywhere here, and when you point that out, people get defensive and lash out with names etc.etc. LIBRARIES REALLY ARE GREAT PLACES. Ever been to one?
Civics 101, something seriously lacking here, in my opinion.
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#336160 - 06/07/08 08:59 PM
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monority rulz.
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#336162 - 06/07/08 09:12 PM
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LIBRARIES REALLY ARE GREAT PLACES. Ever been to one?
Panzer hasn't.
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#336164 - 06/08/08 12:57 AM
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Consumer protection is overseen by corporate puppets. Poverty is expanding, and so are the prisons. Is our children learning? Not civics, obviously.
Grammatical faux pas or clever irony...you be the judge! 
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#336166 - 06/08/08 05:59 AM
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George W. Bush first asked, " Is our children learning?" -Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#336167 - 06/08/08 08:00 AM
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Porn Jesus
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If ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DANGEROUS, i guesss that covers about 75% of all americans. I simply dont think that 75% of all americans are dangerous, Sorry if that upsets people.
All OBSERVANT CHRISTIANS are dangerous. They are hardly 75% of the population. They are dangerous because they believe that their "pursuit of happiness" as you put it includes interfering with other people's lives and choices.
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And in what way have you ever been 'COMPELLED TO BEHAVE UNDER THEIR CODE?" Just one little example would be ok.
- Use of hemp as a fiber is illegal.
- I have to subsidize their churches through tax exemptions.
- I have to deal the with the insertion of the words "under God" into the "Pledge of Allegiance".
- In certain areas, I often cannot buy certain items on their "Sabbath".
- In parts of this country I cannot buy or consume alcohol. [Oddly in some of these parts, they can make it, though ...]
- They would interfere with my right to die.
Other things don't impact me directly such as the economic impact of losing jobs, patents and the lead in technology in stem cell to the EU, China, Japan, Israel, etc., because of their nonsense.
Soon the right of a woman to an abortion might be lost.
If I wanted to be married to two women, I couldn't be. Though, if I wanted to impregnate several and live separately ... well, that's OK.
Certainly unchecked there would be far more problems. This calls for vigilance and active preemption.
I believe that my right to freedom of speech, or anyone else's, should NOT be the province of the tyranny of the majority.
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how do you describe yourself.......moderate,left of center, or god forbid extreme left wing bleeding liberal socialist(hhillary).
My positions vary on different topics. I'm extreme left wing on most labor issues, many of which I am likely far more socialist than Hillary. I am very right wing on immigration. I supported our involvement in "Desert Storm" and Kosovo. I opposed our involvement in "Desert Freedom".
I don't believe in providing food aid to countries who are not controlling their populations. I don't believe in providing military aid to dictatorships.
I was very active in Bush I's campaign in 1980. I was considered for delegate to the DNC for Clinton in 1992. I supported George Pataki for Governor against Mario Cuomo. I gave money to both McCain and Gore in 2000 and Wesley Clark in 2004.
I would describe my pursuit of freedom as Libertarian since neither the right nor the left is immune to attempting to censor.
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#336169 - 06/08/08 12:16 PM
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Porn Jesus
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People like Christians & Muslims who think that their path is the only path to God are BEYOND dangerous. And, I will fight all those that would compel me to behave under their code.
But, but, but, Fattie...it was written in the Bible, so it HAS to be right! That's the way we should all live our lives (according to the religious cuckoos).
Now, let us regress 2000 fucking years. Abracadabra
Don't forget the "Family Values Association (your city here)", Fattie, they're a driving force, too. Wait, they're Christian fucks, too, aren't they?
Corey Taylor sings it best in I'm not Jesus, if what these right wing fags have faith in, "Jesus WASN'T fair".
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Because you already yelled 'dropping prices!!!' after Red Light canned you. - Gia Jordan to Brandon Iron
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#336171 - 06/08/08 02:54 PM
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I believe in God. I try to follow basic spiritual principles. One of those principles is to live and let live.
I tried to be a Methodist, twice. I met some wonderful, spiritual, giving people. Deep down, they reached out to help the community in small ways, not to control it. I did not see a lot of self-righteousness or judgementalism. But, I just cannot accept the basic articles of faith.
I've also seen people turn to religion because they are searching for a cure to a very deep spiritual illness. The illnesses are not addressed, just re-directed into zealotry. This is why these sickness based religious outfits focus on things like porn. This is why they love to have people "witness" by telling stories with shock value and prurient interest. This is why this crowd will go to any lengths, break any type of ethics, to further their agenda. They still hate, because of fear, that is the heart of the sickness.
I've studied the Gospels, and see great beauty in these teachings, they apply to my life to this day. The people I met as a troubled Methodist were close to what I think Jesus would have us do. The troubled group I describe in the last paragraph are very far away from the ideal, and really have no hope, since they don't understand the goals.
Please don't paint all religious with one brush. And allow room in your rhetoric for free-thinking diests like me. I, too, am tempted and sometimes guilty of letting the fear turn into hatred of the sickos. I have found that is counter productive. We need to wall them into their own sick world, just like Max Hardcore is walled into the world of his customers who seek him out.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#336172 - 06/08/08 04:08 PM
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Jesus was a cool cat. I doubt very seriously if he'd recognize the fuckers who "use his name in death," as Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson would have it.
Mohammad, on the other hand, was a fucking psychopath (and a sociopath) and the same goes for most of his followers. I know they're not ALL like that. I just wish the ones who weren't would speak the fuck up.
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#336175 - 06/08/08 05:20 PM
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More attacks by the cross bullies on anything "sexual!" http://thereporter.com/ci_9500406Not-so 'Secret' shoppers Pastor to put store's visitors on YouTube By Melissa Murphy Article Launched: 06/06/2008 05:55:53 AM PDT Click photo to enlarge Jeremy White, of Vacaville, stands outside the Secrets store with his video camera and a sign... * « * 1 * 2 * » "Smile - You're on YouTube." That's the greeting some customers receive as they are about to enter the new Secrets: Lingerie Boutique on East Monte Vista Avenue. The new lingerie/adult store captured plenty of media attention in opening last Friday, just moments before the City Council passed an ordinance enacting a moratorium on adult businesses and the sale of adult products. Since that time, however, it is Vacaville resident Jeremy White and a handful of others who have kept a spotlight on the store - literally. The group periodically sets up a video camera in front of the store to tape people walking into the business. "We are not here because we're against sex or lingerie," White said. "I'm a happily married man and I love both of those things. We're here because the gateway to our city is not the location for a porn shop." White's "YouTube" sign on a black board with white lettering also says "Sex Good, Porn Bad." "I'm not trying to embarrass anybody," White said. "If you have absolutely no question of conscience about entering this store, then by all means shop away. However, if even only one of the dozens of customers we've deterred from entering is a married person about to do something shady behind their spouse's back then - mission accomplished." Secrets District Manager Jim Lukes said Vacaville residents don't have anything to worry about because his store isn't like the Secrets chain stores in Fairfield and Vallejo. "The reality is we're Advertisement not adult," Lukes said. "We're a lingerie store and we're different than those other stores." The group against the business has received mixed reactions in regard to its taping - some by people entering while making obscene gestures to the camera, others by those giving thumbs up and honking in support. On Tuesday afternoon, a handful of Vacaville residents from several different churches gathered together to pray outside the business. "We live in a blessed community," said Kelly Hamilton. "We want to keep it that way." Hamilton and others explained that they've been praying and that they don't wish harm on the employees of Secrets, but that they would like to see the business close. "We hope everybody involved will come out of this with a clean heart," Hamilton said. Resident Laura Granzella agreed. "I don't want us to be seen as a threat," she said. "This isn't personal to the employees, but rather we're a concerned community. "Hopefully the community can grow together through this," Granzella added. Others believe that an adult store next to the highway could damage Vacaville's reputation. "Vacaville is one of the few cities to be known as a family oriented community," said Tim Bittle, a youth pastor at The Father's House. "We don't need businesses like this. If we add stores like this into the equation, we'll turn into other cities. The entrance of Vacaville is not a place for this." White said that although he is a pastor of student ministries at Valley Church, he is peacefully protesting on his own time as a concerned resident. "I think the video is a fun way to talk about an issue that's important to us," he said. "I am aware of youth that struggle with sexual addiction so there is a personal element of heartache - pornography sends a false message to boys and girls." White said the tape will take a little while to edit, but will be posted on YouTube soon.
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#336176 - 06/08/08 05:24 PM
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If they did, the others would kill them.
Yeah, that's what Pastor Niemöller said at first:
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
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#336177 - 06/08/08 05:32 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Soon the right of a woman to an abortion might be lost.
If I wanted to be married to two women, I couldn't be. Though, if I wanted to impregnate several and live separately ... well, that's OK.
Certainly unchecked there would be far more problems. This calls for vigilance and active preemption.
I believe that my right to freedom of speech, or anyone else's, should NOT be the province of the tyranny of the majority.
I don't believe in providing food aid to countries who are not controlling their populations. I don't believe in providing military aid to dictatorships.
I would describe my pursuit of freedom as Libertarian since neither the right nor the left is immune to attempting to censor.
Jim, you make some very valid points whith which i wholeheartedly agree. But I do find one major inconsistatntcy in your argument.
You speak about abortion, marriage and children and how you fear the intrusion of the right wing when it comes to your personal choice regarding these matters. These are the most basic of fundamental human rights and NOBODY has the right to interfere with theses choices. I think we agree on that.
But next you say..."I dont believe in providing food aid to countries WHO ARE NOT CONTROLLING THEIR POPULATIONS."
While you worry about a womans right to seek an abortion, you at the sasme time SEEM to advocate that OTHER governments control the very rights that you and I hold so dear in this country, and will kill or die to defend.
Then you describe yourself as LIBERTARIAN To deny people the right to have children is is the grossest human rights violation there is.
How can you possibly reconcile those two positions. You cant tell the U.S. government to stay out of your bedroom, and at the same time INSIST that other governments do exactly that before they recieve your money.
Or is it that your true position is more like, I want everyhing i want and i deserve evverything I want, and to hell with everyone else because I want it.
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