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#314243 - 04/08/08 10:25 PM
J Stagliano, Evil Angel Charged 8 Obscenity Counts
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
Posts: 202
Loc: Malibu
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XBiz story AVN story Federal Grand Jury Charges Two Companies and Owner John Stagliano With Obscenity Violations WASHINGTON, April 8, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A producer of allegedly obscene movies and two companies owned by him have been charged by a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., with operating an obscenity distribution business and related offenses, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division announced today. In an indictment filed by the grand jury today, Malibu, Calif. resident John Stagliano and two of his companies, Evil Angel Productions, Inc. and John Stagliano, Inc., both located in Van Nuys, Calif., were charged with three counts of using a facility of interstate commerce to sell and distribute DVDs containing obscene films together with a movie trailer in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1465; two counts of using a common carrier for the conveyance or delivery of DVDs containing obscene films in interstate commerce in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1462; one count of engaging in the business of selling or transferring an obscene film and a movie trailer in violation of 18 U.S.C. SS 1466; one count of using an interactive computer service to display an obscene movie trailer in a manner available to a person under 18 years of age, in violation of 47 U.S.C. SS 223 (d); and one count seeking forfeiture of certain assets of the defendants under 18 U.S.C. SS 1467. According to the indictment, the defendants, producers of the films charged in the indictment, distributed the films to the public by means of common carrier and the Internet. If convicted, Stagliano faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison on each of the obscenity counts charged under Title 18, United States Code, and two years on the count charged under Title 47, United States Code. The corporations face a maximum penalty of $500,000 in fines per count. An indictment is merely an accusation. All defendants are presumed innocent of the charges and it is the government's burden to prove a defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial. The case is being prosecuted by Trial Attorney Pamela Satterfield of the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force of the U.S. Department of Justice, with support from the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia. Investigation was done by the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Adult Obscenity Squad based in the Washington, D.C. field office. The Los Angeles Police Department also assisted in the investigation.
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#314245 - 04/08/08 11:02 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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It's shitty to release the indictment before informing the defendants what the materials were or when the offense occurred.
Gain momentum with the indictment while the defendants struggle just to find out where the water is leaking in.
These are bitch moves you expect on American Gladiator not from the US Government. I bet Gen. U.S. Grant would be ashamed, pack up the Army of the Potomac and head home if he knew things would come to this.
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#314246 - 04/08/08 11:15 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
Posts: 202
Loc: Malibu
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Holly - thanks. Rob was just an asshole, I don't know Max as a person, and I'm sure a lot of people here saw that Jeff and I had our differences, but through all of their cases, I always supported their right to make their movies, which they never forced a single person to HAVE to watch against their will. Our lawyer is Allan Gelbard. He also represents JM, and he's amazing. Hopefully tomorrow we'll know which movies. The NewsWire item went out from the government before John was served or received any notification. We actually found out because the editor of XBiz saw the NewsWire feed and asked me how we were doing. Bornyo- thanks. See, THIS is why I'm such a wacky libertarian. It's not just all that California free-love. 
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#314247 - 04/08/08 11:26 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 775
Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Hopefully he doesn't plead guilty. You should fight this not just accept the punishment that is handed.
If I were to guess, I would think that the movies that were obscene were something to do with Belladonna. It would be obscene to have someone get a broken jaw while tied up to a chair in a scene. Poor Kelly.
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#314248 - 04/08/08 11:31 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 14160
Loc: NYC
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I never thought this would happen to Evil Angel. This goes to show that obscenity charges will start to trickle down to the 'tamer' companies soon. I wish you strength through this.
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#314250 - 04/08/08 11:56 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#314253 - 04/09/08 03:33 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 4856
Loc: The 4th International
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I strongly agree with Bornyo. This is not the way it should be done.
Good luck to Mr. Stagliano.
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#314254 - 04/09/08 04:51 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 3812
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Damn, that sucks. It's completely ridiculous that they didn't even list the titles in question. Best of luck to you and John.
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#314255 - 04/09/08 05:16 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 11/19/06
Posts: 310
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Now all you people cheering about Max being prosecuted, this hits a little closer to home, maybe now you see this is an agenda of the religious right, and your personal view of Max is a mute point.
The Federal Govt would like nothing more then to separate what little cohesive nature there may be in the Adult industry, to divide us by "who I like and dislike" all the while we lose contact on what the big picture really is.
Fans of Adult pornography need to be more vocal, that this is unacceptable; otherwise, you can just wait as they chip away at our rights by mere apathy!
It's hardly just the religious right. The left wing will see Max's porn as degrading to women. Remember it was Tipper Gore that got behind the parental advisory stickers.
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#314257 - 04/09/08 06:40 AM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/06/05
Posts: 1135
Loc: Temple Of Doom
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This is just fucking ridiculous. I'm curious to find out what videos the government is going to call obscene.
However it is heartwarming to see that there are no drugs being trafficked into the country, no terrorist sleeper cells lying in wait, or corrupt business practices going on in this country that the DOJ has time to drum up bogus shit like this.
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#314259 - 04/09/08 07:24 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 775
Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Darth - I forget, are you the pretend lawyer, the pretend insider, the has-been, or the actual nobody?
And no, there will be no guilty pleas.
My point here is that even if you are guilty of what they are trying to bring you to justice for, you should plea, "NOT GUILTY". What this will do is create a court case in which you and John can win. This is your best option. They may offer you much lesser charges if you take the plea bargain, but if I were you, I would not take these deals even though you will be tempted. 4 years in prison sounds much better than 40 doesn't it?
I have to ask, has the thought crossed your mind that if John does go to prison, that you will have full access to all of his money while he is away? You can buy designer gowns and diamond tennis bracelets. Maybe you can do that big addition you have been wanting. Do not fall prey to these feelings. If you turn on John in court, nobody in porn will respect you and the evil empire will crumble.
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#314260 - 04/09/08 07:25 AM
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It's called "pacifying the base." As far as I know, McCain has never taken a stand on Porn, so the admin has to do it for him in order to keep the bible-thumpers happy this election season.
I am surprised there's only eight counts charged, out of the whole Evil Angel catalogue. Either the Feds learned their lesson after Jeff's persecution or this really is just a half-hearted attempt to make the nuts happy. Either way, good luck to you both.
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#314261 - 04/09/08 07:27 AM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 1991
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damn
that sucks
they make some good flicks
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#314262 - 04/09/08 07:37 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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I hate when the government wastes my tax money on nonsense like this. I hope you guys beat this early and as cheaply as possible and I hope the porn industry will rally around you the way you rallied around Max and JM.
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#314264 - 04/09/08 09:47 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/15/08
Posts: 190
Loc: California
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First comes the moral cleansing, and next, the ethnic cleansing. I really need to move to Amsterdam.
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#314265 - 04/09/08 09:54 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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Don't let the 747 hit you in the ass on the way out.
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#314267 - 04/09/08 10:17 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/15/08
Posts: 190
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Well I'll still have the internet there you cocksucker.
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#314268 - 04/09/08 10:25 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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True but there will be a great lessening of stench on this side of the pond.
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#314269 - 04/09/08 10:40 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/06
Posts: 202
Loc: Malibu
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It is no longer "we", it is now "John and Evil Angel". Good move.
I'll work at Evil Angel forever and stand behind Evil Angel movies forever.
I'm not a co-owner of the company, which is the reason I'm not also named in the indictment. Otherwise, I would have worded that post as 'we'.
For clarification, I will stand by John and the company 100% through this. I believe in the movies that I have a part of getting out to the public, and will do whatever it takes to help defend them, my husband and Evil Angel in court.
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#314270 - 04/09/08 10:52 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 3812
Loc: Neither here, nor there.
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Storm Squirters 2 - All Blew Shirts (Silvera)
Milk Nymphos - Jay Sin
Fetish Fanatic 5 - Belladonna
SOURCE
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#314271 - 04/09/08 11:04 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 459
Loc: California
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Good luck Tricia, John and all of Evil. This one is going to be big. Obviously, the election year for the Republicans has begun. Alan is a great attorney. Good luck to him as well. Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com
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#314272 - 04/09/08 11:15 AM
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The choice of Washington, D.C. as a venue is puzzling, since the "community standards" of the District are a lot different from, say, Arizona (where Jeff's case was held) or the Northern District of Florida (where Max's case is being tried.) Hell, they're arguably more "advanced" (for lack of a better term) than the standards of Pittsburgh, where Rob Black's case is still winding its way through the Courts.
And what about the titles cited? I'm not familiar with the works in question, but they sound pretty tame by E.A. standards. And the Belladona title is just an on-line trailer? Isn't there anything in the entire Bella canon that they could have picked that would have offended community standards more than a trailer?
To me, it seems that the Gov't isn't really serious about prosecuting this case at all, and that this is just for show. It reminds me of the ongoing trial of the three cops in the Sean Bell shooting in Queens, the prosecution of whom is quarter-hearted at best.
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#314273 - 04/09/08 11:25 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 775
Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Oh this is bad. They will bring in M.D.'s to finally show that squirting is fake. Cytheria peed on a lot of motha' fucka's and the industry, AVN, gave her an award for peeing. This has done much in our culture to make girls feel sexually inadequate because they can't squirt. However, I will side with EA that it is not obscene. In reviewing the Fetish trailer, one of the girl poops out a clearish brown liquid (not chocolate milk) and I think another is lapping it up. Nobody that I know would put a coffee enema in a movie, so this is likely feces.
http://www.evilangel.com/page.php?node=item&item_id=1849
Isn't it kind of a stretch to say the girls enjoy sucking butt juice from another girls asshole and drinking their pee? I know a lot of real lesbians and I kind of doubt they would suck the enemas out of each other's asses for fun. Ask any porn girl in private and they will admit they are peeing.
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#314275 - 04/09/08 11:35 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
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All of my best hopes go to John Stagliano and Evil Angel.
Be strong. Fight the good fight.
You're soldiers in the fight against free speech whether you wanted to be or not. And, I support the troops.
Good luck!
You be strong, too, Tricia.
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#314277 - 04/09/08 11:59 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 01/23/06
Posts: 146
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Wow-- I'm crossing my fingers for you guys! It didn't bother me so much when Max and Rob were hit with this, but you and John are such nice people... 
This is exactly what I am talking about. I'm not here to give you a bunch of shit Holly. You and your mother are very talented and have done some great work for us.
But you make the type of adult entertainment the religious nuts are specifically after. We are just easier targets for the government right now....
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#314279 - 04/09/08 12:05 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
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I wish all of the best to the Stagliano family in defending their case against Dubya's Federal persecutors. Makes me glad to have voted for Gore and Kerry, because I believe that this would not have happened were either of them President.
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#314280 - 04/09/08 12:13 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 07/14/06
Posts: 775
Loc: Hollywood, CA
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Fuckin government, I cant believe we lasted this long with idiots like these at the helm. 
I know this is asking too much, but I think EVERY pornographer or fan should post this on their web site, start a grass roots ribbon campaign!
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#314281 - 04/09/08 12:42 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 459
Loc: California
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Michael-
Yes, we love Allan. Because there are effectively 3 defendents, there will need to be 3 attorneys, so there will be 2 attorneys in addition to Allan.
I am sure he will assemble the best team possible. I envy the First Amendment guys. I am very interested in following this case though. I think they are doing this because of the political ramifications. Again, good luck!!!
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www.AdultBizLaw.com
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#314282 - 04/09/08 01:21 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 5092
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The choice of Washington, D.C. as a venue is puzzling, since the "community standards" of the District are a lot different from, say, Arizona (where Jeff's case was held) or the Northern District of Florida (where Max's case is being tried.) Hell, they're arguably more "advanced" (for lack of a better term) than the standards of Pittsburgh, where Rob Black's case is still winding its way through the Courts.
And what about the titles cited? I'm not familiar with the works in question, but they sound pretty tame by E.A. standards. And the Belladona title is just an on-line trailer? Isn't there anything in the entire Bella canon that they could have picked that would have offended community standards more than a trailer?
To me, it seems that the Gov't isn't really serious about prosecuting this case at all, and that this is just for show. It reminds me of the ongoing trial of the three cops in the Sean Bell shooting in Queens, the prosecution of whom is quarter-hearted at best.
Is it a federal court in DC or a court in Virginia? There's a court that encompasses the VA burbs of DC which is pretty conservative. The government likes to set cases there (especially national security cases) because the judge is pretty conservative and there are lots of ex-military people to draw from for juries. Sort or like a simi valley, but for a federal court.
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#314284 - 04/09/08 01:32 PM
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Is it a federal court in DC or a court in Virginia? There's a court that encompasses the VA burbs of DC which is pretty conservative. The government likes to set cases there (especially national security cases) because the judge is pretty conservative and there are lots of ex-military people to draw from for juries. Sort or like a simi valley, but for a federal court.
It's the US District Court for the District of Columbia. Although the court you're thinking of, Eastern District of Virginia, is also in the 4th Circuit along with D.C. The 4th is a pretty conservative Appellate Circuit; it might be that DOJ wanted a circuit that would avoid an ugly (and potentially unfavorable) showdown in the Supreme Court over the Lawrence issue, so they went there to keep it from ever reaching the Supremes. But even then, if they can't get a jury to agree that the titles in question violate community standards in the District, what fucking good is it?
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#314286 - 04/09/08 01:39 PM
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I hope they don't drain you dry before they drop the charges.
I think the Staglianos have enough money to tide them over until January 20th. 
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#314287 - 04/09/08 02:09 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Is it a federal court in DC or a court in Virginia? There's a court that encompasses the VA burbs of DC which is pretty conservative. The government likes to set cases there (especially national security cases) because the judge is pretty conservative and there are lots of ex-military people to draw from for juries. Sort or like a simi valley, but for a federal court.
It's the US District Court for the District of Columbia. Although the court you're thinking of, Eastern District of Virginia, is also in the 4th Circuit along with D.C. The 4th is a pretty conservative Appellate Circuit; it might be that DOJ wanted a circuit that would avoid an ugly (and potentially unfavorable) showdown in the Supreme Court over the Lawrence issue, so they went there to keep it from ever reaching the Supremes. But even then, if they can't get a jury to agree that the titles in question violate community standards in the District, what fucking good is it?
They both sound like the 5th circuit ct of appeals in New Orleans, which covers TX. If you are up for murder, mayhem, obscenity, inter alia, you may want to have appeals heard elsewhere (not that you can choose).
I'd like to read the indictment to see whose community standards "Fetish Fanatic 5" violated. Can't be DC. I used to work near 14th and Mass Avenue, Near Thomas Circle - full of working girls and even "adult book stores."
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#314288 - 04/09/08 02:59 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
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DE-Evolution wrote: Quote:
I really need to move to Amsterdam.
Please don't! Thanks in advance.
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#314289 - 04/09/08 03:08 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
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Tricia D. wrote: Quote:
I'll work at Evil Angel forever ...
Yeah, where else? It's not like you're high on the average headhunters' lists.
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I believe in the movies that I have a part of getting out to the public,...
Do you have an exact figure (not to mention titles)? Can't imagine an astute businessman like Mr. Stagliano having a whore messing with his product.
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#314290 - 04/09/08 04:01 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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Yes... and did you have a part in getting Fetish Fantastic 5 and those other movies out to the public? In your opinion, do you think Jay Sin was a plant by the government to get you indicted? It seems convenient that he starts directing there and a few months later he already has 4A reviews and a 5 star indictment. He has been in porn for years and has never had an indictment before.
Just watch your backs if he comes off as a friend during this entire thing. Also, don't be surprised if the government contacts Kelly Wells to cry on the stand about Belladonna's abuse tactics or jaw breaking. A young lady with a permanent medical disability would be strong in the case against you.
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#314294 - 04/09/08 06:03 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
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To Spunko and The Unknown Pervert, this type of shit didn't happen under the Clinton/Gore administration, and dudes, watch out lest you drown in De-Nile.
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#314297 - 04/09/08 06:37 PM
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Porn Jesus
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It is no longer "we", it is now "John and Evil Angel". Good move.
I'll work at Evil Angel forever and stand behind Evil Angel movies forever.
I'm not a co-owner of the company, which is the reason I'm not also named in the indictment. Otherwise, I would have worded that post as 'we'.
For clarification, I will stand by John and the company 100% through this. I believe in the movies that I have a part of getting out to the public, and will do whatever it takes to help defend them, my husband and Evil Angel in court.
Very well said and you stand by your man and your company or your husbands company, I wish you guys nothing but the best of luck, honestly. 
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#314298 - 04/09/08 07:02 PM
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Luckily, Tipper Gore never really held political office, only the bully pulpit of, er, Vice Lady.
Actually, she was pretty quiet while she was "Vice Lady." She shot her big mouth off when she was nothing more than some Senator's wife. Cueball Carvile & Co. kept her on a pretty tight leash.
Of course, as noted above, with all of Bubba's troubles, they really didn't have much choice...
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#314299 - 04/09/08 10:01 PM
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Don't forget if Gore had become President then his Vice President would have been Joe Lieberman.
You know,the guy who thinks the government should be able to censor movies,music and video games....for the children,of course.
The only reason that Clintons' administration didn't try to score points with the Feminists by going after porn was because they were already up to their necks with partial-birth abortion and 'don't ask,don't tell'. Had the Whitewater investigetion not gone the hummer route then they would most likely have tried to score P.R. points for themselves and porn would have been an easy(and likely) target. Bothe the Feminists and the religous nuts would have applauded. Win/win with almostno downside. For the politicians anyway.
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#314302 - 04/10/08 09:45 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I find this whole thing strange. I don’t consider Evil Angel to be a high profile company in the realm of Girls Gone Wild. John’s success is known within the industry, but I doubt the man on the street knows anything about him. That said, industry jealousy creates strange bedfellows. Who is to say whether or not someone from another company sent some links to the feds to put things in motion. Or it could simply be an individual John met at a public function who got a wind of John’s success and decided to turn the screw.
Only John knows.
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“I'll be sending my check out first thing tomorrow.”-- Safado
“How much money has come in till now from the fanbase?”-- Freestylah
“$12.41”--Smokey
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#314303 - 04/10/08 10:33 AM
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Has anyone else heard that John is now making employees call him "Oh Captain, My Captain"? I think this kind of behavior combined with his silly sailor suit is causing confusion in EA's office.
Everyone is expressing sorrow for John, but what about Joey and Jay? Belladonna apparently got a free ride and EA took the hit for her poop trailer.
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#314304 - 04/10/08 10:39 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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There are two types of producers in the xbiz....Those who fight for their first amendment rights,, and those who hide behind the first amendment. Will Stagliano stand and fight, or will he cop a plea like most porners do in this situation and then claim they did it because the fight was too expensive. No need to speculate on which he will do. We will all see in the end. Good luck Mr. Stag, either way youre screwed. 
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#314305 - 04/10/08 11:30 AM
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In speaking about this to a friend who is a devout Christian and dislikes porn, he was offended by the name "Evil Angel".
While it's a far-fetched theory on why they may have been targeted, I thought it worth mentioning.
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#314307 - 04/10/08 03:23 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Saw this on the LIB message board. Can anybody verify the stuff about Max and Rob? I know that both still have cases pending. Max in Florida, and I don't believe Rob is out of the woods with the feds.
The Colonel wrote:
Indictment is the fed’s dirty trick. Here’s is how it works: they target a scene, one line of dialog or a snapshot at the back of the box, go after the producer and distributer, and after years of building the case and anticipation,the case gets thrown out of court. Here is the twist: even though they know more likely they can’t get a guilty verdict and put a smut peddler behid the bars, but they’re doing it, because they know years of legal struggle, overwhelming stress and thousands of dollars attorney fees will eventually bring down the producer, and sometimes bankrupts him and puts him out of the business, and also draws and defines the red lines for everyone else, from top to bottom. Look at Max Hardcore for example. He thought he was the smart guy, he thought he could get away with fisting and traumatizing naive new commers and pissing on them.The feds went after him several times, he’s not in the jail, but he’s completely broke and fucked in the ass. He can no longer afford to produce content on a consistency level, he lives off his old content, the titles he puts out through JM Productions are re-releases of his old material, and he’s also on clips.com, selling his scenes for $5.00 each. Of course you know how clips.com shares the sales profit, right? It’s 60% for the site, 40% for the producer; in other words, he only makes 2 bucks on each of his scenes. Another example is Robert Black who thought his indictment was a blissing from the sky that will define him as the ultimate bad ass/saviour of the adult industry. Bullshit. Now he’s so fucked that he can’t even release anything on DVD, he shoots cheap scenes with retard skanks whom he picks up on craiglist and sexy jobs, gives them $100.00 in cash and a handful of pills to do a blow job scsne and put it on hotmovies.com. All in all, the feds don’t tend to put smut peddlers in jail and pay $40.000 a year for their expenses, they tend to cripple the industry, turn people against each other, and burn the whole house down. And looks like they’re winning.
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“My money is on the way.” -- Jim B
“I'll be sending my check out first thing tomorrow.”-- Safado
“How much money has come in till now from the fanbase?”-- Freestylah
“$12.41”--Smokey
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#314309 - 04/10/08 04:05 PM
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@ McCluskey: Both cases are still pending. I don't think Max is in anywhere near as bad a shape as the Colonel makes it out to be. Rob is pretty much fucked, though. As I understand it, he's flat broke and his case has been stalled since the Supreme Court refused to hear his appeal of the 3rd Circuit's December, 2005 ruling on the Lawrence issue.
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#314310 - 04/10/08 04:18 PM
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Porn Jesus
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i'm bullshit i just finished sending uncle sam a check for a spartanly-optioned range rover and it's going to:
1-effectively ensure an domestic business that was presumably in the black when tons aren't will face some degree of interruption in actually employing americans AND being a nice addition to the tax base. same one that pays feds retire after working maybe a third of their life.
2-fucked over the people running the company who do helpful things-they're giving you top-bracket tax revenue that someone else either will be relieved from paying or if facing hardship have some of that come their way to address need. makes your life easier government.
3-wealthy people, even if they sell vile trannyporn, generally are ALREADY reinvesting their blood/semen-money to some schlub in kansas. in this case, their edifice-complex was a show that funneled cash AND employment(starving actors ate, sets built, etc.) into the nation's economy. so we have jobs in chatsworth and vegas that won't be there if you manage to convict john.
4-you're spending my money and i wasn't in on it being used to pay lawyers to make sure to eradicate a business and individuals that employ people and won't immediately be replaced if you imprison them and think there's going to be someone that will pay what they are next year when you collect to pay your salary and pay for fucking foodstamps and antibiotics for kids who were fucked enough to be born into an absence of means. fuck, daddy could have been a pornstar if you didn't ruin the job-opening that used to be there, now he's in the prison system and latrell's going to think gold teeth are cool.
wonderful. i love making fun of what i find repulsive about some of their movies but burning other people's money to take them to trial in hopes that other people's money might be needed again should you "win" by sending someone who created jobs that feed creepy sex offenders and keep them off of the streets?
that's the most-shortsighted thing possible. EXACTLY when did you catch ALL OF THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHERS AND NEATLY TUCKED THEM UP IN THE CELL YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT JOHN IN?
do your job with the pornographers EVERYONE but actual pedophiles find to be engaging in something harmful enough to be felonious INSTEAD of suing the above-ground ones you can actually find to serve with arrest. weak. incompetent. typical
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#314311 - 04/10/08 04:43 PM
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I'm going to need 18 hrs and A full cup of coffee to get with that post.
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#314312 - 04/10/08 06:09 PM
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hey, a brotha gotta vent when the irs man be taking money. i should have just run hookers, claimed 14k and collected my welfare and a big block of that cheese ryan knox gets every month but is always too tweaked-out to eat.
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Martin Amis "honoring" katie price with a character bearing some of her traits
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#314313 - 04/10/08 06:14 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/28/07
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Check this out. If you go to the third link below for the DOJ website you will be referred to Morality in the Media when you want to file an obscenity complaint.
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/optf/
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/optf/links/citizens_guide.html
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/optf/links/faq.html
Seems to me a real conflict of interest when the US Gov supports bias press releases written by the president of MIM
NEWS RELEASE from MORALITY IN MEDIA, Inc. NEW YORK (August 13, 2007)
Robert Peters, President of Morality in Media, had the following comments in response to an article by Neil Lewis, "Federal Effort on Web Obscenity Shows Few Results," which appeared in the N.Y. Times on August 10, and an op ed article by Stephen Bates, "Outsourcing Justice, That's Obscene," which appeared in the Washington Post on July 15.
Morality in Media (MIM) should be honored that a project it launched to combat Internet obscenity has been criticized in short order by two of our nation's leading left-leaning daily newspapers. We must be doing something right; or perhaps the fear is that we may do something right in the near future, if the liberal press doesn't come to the rescue of hardcore pornographers.
MIM launched the ObscenityCrimes.org website in June 2002 to provide citizens with a convenient means online to report possible violations of federal Internet obscenity laws. The site is patterned after www.cybertipline.com, which was also launched by private citizens and which allows citizens to report possible violations of sexual exploitation of children laws.
Complaints submitted to ObscenityCrimes.org are forwarded to each U.S. Attorney where a report originates and to the Justice Department in Washington. As of August 2007, over 66,000 reports had been submitted to ObscenityCrimes.org, despite very little funds to promote the site.
In 2002, MIM also retained the services of two retired law enforcement agents (with extensive experience investigating Internet pornography cases) to follow up on complaints submitted by citizens to ObscenityCrimes.org and to prepare their own investigative reports which describe in detail the promotional material and sexual conduct that the agents observe on various "adult" websites.
One might think, therefore, that the Times and Post would have long ago published articles highlighting Morality in Media's fine work in combating pornography, urging citizens to make complaints and urging the Justice Department to enforce Internet obscenity laws.
Instead, on July 15 the Post published an op ed article by Stephen Bates attacking Morality in Media for its views on a wide variety of subjects that have nothing to do with the ObscenityCrimes.org project and the Justice Department for delegating its authority to an "outfit" like Morality in Media.
If the Justice Department had in fact delegated to Morality in Media the authority to determine which cases will be prosecuted, Mr. Bates would have a point. But the Department hasn't done that. The Justice Department determines which citizen complaints (if any) it will investigate and ultimately prosecute. Like it or not, Morality in Media has no say in those determinations….
In the N.Y. Times article of August 10, Mr. Bates again bad mouths ObscenityCrimes.org. In particular, Mr. Bates says that MIM's "religious cast, the…constitutional issue of free speech and the outsourcing together made a mockery of the First Amendment, chilling freedom of expression."
While not all of our nation's founding fathers were devout Christians, most were certainly "religious." Abraham Lincoln and Rev. Martin Luther King were also "religious," as is Barak Obama. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were "religious," as is Hillary Clinton….
And if obscenity is unprotected by the First Amendment and if the determination as to what is or isn't obscene is ultimately made by the Courts, how can a project that forwards information to the Justice Department make a mockery of the First Amendment and chill "freedom of expression?"
Mr. Lewis's article in the Times repeats another of Mr. Bates' misstatements - namely, the Justice Department is "outsourcing a search for obscenity."
ObscenityCrimes.org provides citizens with an opportunity to report websites that they believe are or may be violating obscenity laws…
Mr. Lewis's article did get two things right. First, I am concerned about the explosion of hardcore pornography viewed only by "consenting adults." Viewing pornography is linked to variety of harms, including sexual addiction, the breakup of marriages, the breakdown of morality, and sexual crimes against adults and children. The Supreme Court has also held that…"consenting adults" is not a defense to an obscenity prosecution.
And second, I am troubled by the fact that Justice has publicly praised ObscenityCrimes.org on a number of occasions, but to my knowledge has not initiated a single prosecution in response to a citizen complaint submitted to the site. I am hoping that will change soon…
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“My money is on the way.” -- Jim B
“I'll be sending my check out first thing tomorrow.”-- Safado
“How much money has come in till now from the fanbase?”-- Freestylah
“$12.41”--Smokey
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#314316 - 04/10/08 07:11 PM
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The search function is your friend.  But, personally, I'm a big fan of the I Love Titties thread. That one needs a resurrection. 
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#314319 - 04/10/08 08:51 PM
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I wish I could search for things within a given poster.
Now THAT would be nice.
But a simple search for "Morality in Media" got the two links I posted above, plus a few others.
You're right, though: It ain't perfect by a long shot.
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#314320 - 04/11/08 01:43 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Wow-- I'm crossing my fingers for you guys! It didn't bother me so much when Max and Rob were hit with this, but you and John are such nice people...
This is exactly what I am talking about. I'm not here to give you a bunch of shit Holly. You and your mother are very talented and have done some great work for us.
But you make the type of adult entertainment the religious nuts are specifically after. We are just easier targets for the government right now....
Believe me, I know this. When Max was indicted I actually posted here on XPT that even though I didn't like his movies, I still supported him 100%. I don't make exceptions in regards to who I think should be prosecuted for obscenity. I was only expressing my regrets that the Staglianos have to face this because I consider them friends of mine, that's all.
Understood. My apologies and I wish you the best.
Paully
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#314321 - 04/11/08 02:16 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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In speaking about this to a friend who is a devout Christian and dislikes porn, he was offended by the name "Evil Angel".
While it's a far-fetched theory on why they may have been targeted, I thought it worth mentioning.
It's interesting that your friend would be offended, since the Bible refers to Satan as an "Evil Angel" But in the upside-down corkscrew mentaility of the Bush DOJ, it would not be a surprise that, that could play a part in why they picked them to prosecute.
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#314325 - 04/11/08 06:37 PM
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Gay For Pay
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Arraignment Date Set For Stagliano
Evil Angel establishing defense fund to fight federal obscenity charges
By: Mark Kernes
Posted: 04/11/2008
WASHINGTON, D.C. - John Stagliano, indicted earlier this week on eight counts of interstate transportation of obscene material, making content available to minors, as well as a forfeiture count, will be arraigned in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on Monday, April 21.
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The hearing will take place at the E. Barrett Prettyman United States Courthouse, 333 E. Constitution Ave. NW, Washington, D.C., before Judge Richard J. Leon.
"He's just going to enter a 'Not Guilty' plea," advised Karen Stagliano.
According to the D.C. District Court website, Judge Leon was appointed to the U.S. District Court in February, 2002, by President Bush. He received his A.B. degree from Holy Cross College in 1971, where he was a classmate of future Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas; was a full-time law professor for four years at St. John's Law School, and in 1987, he was the Deputy Chief Minority Counsel for the U.S. House Select "Iran-Contra" Committee. In 1994, Judge Leon was also Special Counsel to the U.S. House Banking Committee for its "Whitewater" investigation.
Stagliano will be represented by Allan Gelbard, who last year won a multi-million dollar piracy suit for Evil Angel Productions against Canadian distributor Kaytel, and a reliable source has informed AVN that Cincinnati-based First Amendment attorneys H. Louis Sirkin and Jennifer Kinsley will also be on the defense team. There will probably be a fourth attorney on the defense team as well.
But that's not the only development.
"We're going to be establishing a legal defense fund," Ms. Stagliano said. "We're moving forward with this on our own, but we've been receiving an amazing outpouring of support from fans and others just asking, 'Hey, we want to be a part of this. We want to help you fight this fight. What can we do?'"
"We're going to be talking to the Free Speech Coalition today," she continued, "about setting up the fund such that we will guarantee that any money that we receive that is above and beyond what we would need for this specific case will go to Free Speech or some other legal defense type situation."
Although the fund's Web page has not yet been created - it's expected to go live on Monday, with a comment section and information on how to contact legislators about the case - it will be linked from Evil Angel's home page, evilangel.com.
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#314326 - 04/11/08 08:04 PM
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"We're going to be establishing a legal defense fund," Ms. Stagliano said. "We're moving forward with this on our own, but we've been receiving an amazing outpouring of support from fans and others just asking, 'Hey, we want to be a part of this. We want to help you fight this fight. What can we do?'"
"We're going to be talking to the Free Speech Coalition today," she continued, "about setting up the fund such that we will guarantee that any money that we receive that is above and beyond what we would need for this specific case will go to Free Speech or some other legal defense type situation."
Although the fund's Web page has not yet been created - it's expected to go live on Monday, with a comment section and information on how to contact legislators about the case - it will be linked from Evil Angel's home page, evilangel.com.
Is EA already out of money? The case hasnt even started yet and the are already asking for donations. 
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#314327 - 04/11/08 08:05 PM
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Jeff shilling for "contributions," and the charges against him were far more likely to stick, being tried in Arizona and all.
Just sayin.
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#314328 - 04/11/08 11:16 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Arraignment Date Set For Stagliano
Evil Angel establishing defense fund to fight federal obscenity charges
Damn. Why didn't we think of that. Oh wait, we did and everybody said you had it coming. Good to see people in this industry realizing we need to protect each other now. Better late then never.
Shit, we've got a court date in just over a month. It would of been nice to have everybody support us all along the way but instead.... oh fuck whats the point.
BTW We have already set up, dealt with and researched a great argument through Sirkin and Kinsley, they are our attorneys. You should get a pretty good deal since this aint there first rodeo.
Thank the Crazy Cowboy, The yellow couch and the Fucking Constitution. Oh and Lil baby Jesus too.
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#314329 - 04/11/08 11:21 PM
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Charges against Max are far more likely to stick as well. Northern District of Florida, ya see.
So I ask you... WHO needs those donations? I guess John really got taken to the cleaners by Judge Wapner.
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#314330 - 04/12/08 01:32 AM
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Someone sm*rter than me please explain this:
If the Miller case established that speech ruled obscene was not protected under the 1st amendment... and "obscene" speech was essentially defined as anything that didn't pass the SLAPS test, or conform to community standards of decency...
then why exactly do we have a 1st amendment? To "protect" serious scientific, literary, artistic, and political speech that conforms to community standards?
And it's a fucking tragedy that so many short-sighted producers are content to see their unsavory competitors fed to the lions, without any eye on the bigger picture. Hang together or you'll all hang separately dipshits.
Best of luck to John and Karen.
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#314331 - 04/12/08 02:27 AM
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Is EA already out of money? The case hasnt even started yet and the are already asking for donations.
I can't recall who was saying it (it sounded like bitter sniping at the time, so I didn't make a note of the name), but I do recall someone saying that John Stagliano had taken a rather expensive bath on the Fashionistas live show in Las Vegas.
There seems to be the occasional piece on Luke's site about certain EA directors not being too impressed with the money they are making through EA, and taking on work elsewhere under an alias...but then you have to consider the source.
All told, I very much doubt that the departure of Jules Jordan and his emergence as a direct competitor has done EA's bottom line any favours either...we're talking both eagerly-awaited new product and a very profitable back catalog that has just gone bye-bye there. 
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#314332 - 04/12/08 04:04 AM
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Paully-I really do wish you the best of luck in your case, and believe that industry people ought to support the defense of your right to prevail against the heavy hand of the Feds. Hope that isn't the real you in the videos, though, even whores are human beings.
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#314338 - 04/13/08 03:06 PM
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if you know that things like Squirting *cough* *piss* and milk enemas are gone to get you in problems with fucking Feds, why you do it? is like cross the railroad when the train is passing
We're talking about a guy calling himself "Buttman".
Is that how they will address him in court?
Judge: Mr. Butman or is it Butt (first) and Man (last)? Or is it Man (first) Butt (last)?
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#314340 - 04/13/08 06:03 PM
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if you know that things like Squirting *cough* *piss* and milk enemas are gone to get you in problems with fucking Feds, why you do it? is like cross the railroad when the train is passing
We're talking about a guy calling himself "Buttman".
Is that how they will address him in court?
Judge: Mr. Butman or is it Butt (first) and Man (last)? Or is it Man (first) Butt (last)?
I think based on the "Wopner precedent", they'll call him Mr. Stagliano.
Judge: Ok, Mr.Stagliano...
Mr. Stagliano: Buttman. Call me Buttman.
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#314342 - 04/13/08 06:23 PM
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I think based on the "Wopner precedent", they'll call him Mr. Stagliano.
Judge: Ok, Mr.Stagliano...
Mr. Stagliano: Buttman. Call me Buttman.
You didn't watch that People's Court episode, I presume.
No, I didnt.
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#314343 - 04/13/08 06:30 PM
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Buttman in "Porn To Lose." CLICKYFunny shit.
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#314344 - 04/13/08 06:32 PM
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Buttman in "Porn To Lose." CLICKY
Funny shit.
I see now.
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#314345 - 04/13/08 10:49 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I can't recall who was saying it (it sounded like bitter sniping at the time, so I didn't make a note of the name), but I do recall someone saying that John Stagliano had taken a rather expensive bath on the Fashionistas live show in Las Vegas.
I can guarantee that financially, neither of actually noticed a difference. Sure, a fraction less money saved for a couple of years.
About what I actually said about a defense fund: We've had a bunch of fans ask where they could send money, so we needed to decide whether to set something up specifically for the case.
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#314346 - 04/14/08 04:39 AM
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About what I actually said about a defense fund: We've had a bunch of fans ask where they could send money, so we needed to decide whether to set something up specifically for the case.
That's a LOT different. My advice: Set up a fund, call it the "Stagliano Fund" if you like, but don't make it specifically for this case. Establish it primary as a resource for less fortunate porners targeted by the Gov't who can't afford quality representation.
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#314349 - 04/14/08 10:17 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Jeff-
Thanks. I hope it's ok for me to post this, but I wanted to publicly thank you for your phone call last week. It was really appreciated.
John and I have talked a lot this last week about how we never did think that Evil Angel was above the possibility of being prosecuted.
The only difference I can think of was that that we attempted to fly slightly more under the radar than a company like Extreme or Max. I guess this now proves that doesn't matter anymore.
I've had dozens of people tell me that they're sure that it's John's dance number at the AVN Awards show that pissed off the government. The indictment was filed in December 2007, before anyone knew what the theme of John's dance number would be.
I've also had a few people such as yourself who have been through this before tell me how lonely it's going to feel. I'm not discounting that, but if I were to judge from the outpouring of support we've received from industry leaders this last week, it's going to be quite some time before we feel lonely or abandoned. On a personal level, everyone from our parents to our other family members, our close friends, to my daughter's teacher and principal have all told us how sorry they are for us and how indignant they feel that the government believes they can tell people what they can and can't watch in the privacy of their own homes. Some of our friends who've told me that pleasant surprised me - they were people who knew my political believes but who had never uttered a politically-inspired word to me in the past.
John never wanted this to happen, but now that it has, he's willing to do his best to show people how hypocritical and unconstitutional this really is.
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#314350 - 04/14/08 11:16 AM
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#314351 - 04/14/08 01:34 PM
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And it didn't take long for the fall out to start. I've already had three shoots canceled, and one of them had nothing to do with the type of content that JS and friends were indited for. Producers are scared and over-reacting. I guess the bullshit, bible-thumping government lackeys win without firing more than a warning shot. But I'm sure actions like this will get the economy back on it's feet, won't they?  
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#314354 - 04/15/08 09:36 AM
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As reported at xbiz.com Antiporn Groups: Feds Should Indict Softer Content Conservative groups argue that the government is doing nothing to stop the ‘mainstreaming of pornography’ By Q Boyer Tuesday, Apr 15, 2008 Text size: NEW YORK — Reacting to the Justice Department’s indictment of producer John Stagliano on obscenity charges, executives from socially conservative watchdog groups said their organizations are pleased by the indictment, but concerned about the type of material being prosecuted. “Early indications lead us to believe this material is once again the ‘worst of the worst,’” said Daniel Weiss, the senior analyst for media and sexuality at Focus on the Family. “The Justice Department does nothing to stop the mainstreaming of pornography by only prosecuting material at the extreme edge of society.” Robert Peters, president of Morality in Media, concurred with Weiss and called on the government to initiate far more obscenity prosecutions. “The case is an important obscenity case, but standing alone it isn’t going to stem the tide of obscenity,” Peters said. “They’ve just got to do more cases, or the pornographers are going to win.” Peters asserted that, despite the proliferation of pornography in American society and the “mainstreaming” of adult content, Americans are not accepting of pornography. “Just because there’s a lot of pornography around doesn’t mean the American people accept it,” Peters said. Diane Duke, the executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, told XBIZ that Peters’ comments simply demonstrate “how out of touch Morality in Media is with mainstream society.” “It’s difficult to win any obscenity case, and it will be difficult for them to convict Evil Angel, because most people really don’t want to tell their neighbors what they can or can’t watch,” Duke said. Duke added that if one looks at all the speech and expressive conduct that groups like Morality in Media lobby the government to restrict, it’s clear that their agenda goes well beyond targeting the adult entertainment industry. “Morality in Media will not stop at the ‘hardest of the hard,’ and they won’t stop with pornography,” Duke said. “This is [advocating] censorship of the worst sort.”
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#314356 - 04/15/08 11:27 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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As reported at xbiz.com
“Early indications lead us to believe this material is once again the ‘worst of the worst,’” said Daniel Weiss, the senior analyst for media and sexuality at Focus on the Family. “The Justice Department does nothing to stop the mainstreaming of pornography by only prosecuting material at the extreme edge of society.”
Hmmmm... so I'm guessing they're not fans of 2Girls1Cup?
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#314357 - 04/15/08 11:40 AM
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focus on the family is based here in colorado springs
they are usually touting a "spare the rod spoil the child" rhetoric
they buy up local cable airtime
and billboards around here
they seemed to be concerned with convincng folks to beat their kids and decrying abortion
to know they are in on the war against porn
is pretty disconcerting
theyre media whores
and very influential
unfortunately
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#314358 - 04/15/08 12:21 PM
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They're also the reason why there's rampant Bible Thuming and Proselytizing at the Air Force Acadamy (about double the rate of the other service acadamies.) But then again, Danny Weiss thinks mamograms are obscene and immoral, so...
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#314359 - 04/15/08 12:32 PM
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last night we got like, literally busloads of boys from ft carson in the dejavu thy said focus on the family like practically owns the base and propagandas all over the place poor guys just wanted to see some ass befroe headinf to iraq so theyre commanders or whatever cut them loose to come see us at the club i like the commanders more than the bible thumpers hehe
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#314360 - 04/15/08 02:50 PM
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Peters asserted that, despite the proliferation of pornography in American society and the “mainstreaming” of adult content, Americans are not accepting of pornography.
“Just because there’s a lot of pornography around doesn’t mean the American people accept it,” Peters said.
Does he have any idea how stupid this sounds? 
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“They’ve just got to do more cases, or the pornographers are going to win.”
How can the pornographers win if the American people don't accept them? He's completely contradicted himself within the space of a few sentences.
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#314362 - 04/15/08 04:10 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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OK. We have put up www.DefendOurPorn.org. Feel free to comment in the guestbook. I'm surely not going to censor what you guys post... but please, remember before saying infantile stuff just for kicks that this is a REAL federal prosecution. The maximum penalties that John is facing is 32 years in prison and $7 million in fines. That's only if he's convicted, but it's above and beyond the thousands and thousands of dollars that this case is going to cost in legal fees. To put it in perspective, we spent on legal fees just short of a million dollars on the copyright infringement case that we won last year. If we want people to take us at all seriously, we need to act like mature adults about this.
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#314364 - 04/15/08 09:46 PM
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why you guys didn't open that site when JM and MAX was under the FEDs target ?
That's a valid question elG but it works both ways. Why didn't Max or JM open a similar site or fund?
EA is channeling their donations into a fund that can work for everyone. This is not something to be trivialized. I'm sure Jeff and Max agree.
edit: as I understand it, these are totally unsolicited donations at that. People want to help EA even if they don't want it, and they are using this goodwill to help others. This isn't a subject to draw swords over.
Edited by Bornyo (04/15/08 09:50 PM)
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#314365 - 04/16/08 05:17 AM
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EA is channeling their donations into a fund that can work for everyone. This is not something to be trivialized. I'm sure Jeff and Max agree.
edit: as I understand it, these are totally unsolicited donations at that. People want to help EA even if they don't want it, and they are using this goodwill to help others. This isn't a subject to draw swords over.
I agree. It's a much different scenario from what was first reported, which made it seem as though they were begging for contributions. It's completely the opposite, and a damn good idea.
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#314366 - 04/16/08 05:30 AM
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The fund may not be enough, unless they could actually match the budget the gov has to throw at these cases. Maybe they need to go on the offensive and use the fund to start filing lawsuits against the gov for violation of their 1st amendment rights and harassment of the industry.
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#314367 - 04/16/08 02:43 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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why you guys didn't open that site when JM and MAX was under the FEDs target ?
That's a valid question elG but it works both ways. Why didn't Max or JM open a similar site or fund?
EA is channeling their donations into a fund that can work for everyone. This is not something to be trivialized. I'm sure Jeff and Max agree.
edit: as I understand it, these are totally unsolicited donations at that. People want to help EA even if they don't want it, and they are using this goodwill to help others. This isn't a subject to draw swords over.
Thanks for that.
We're going to use the website to get the word out as much as possible. We want as much press as possible in this election year. We want to make people aware that it's not just porn that is and will be under attack by the government.
The reason for the fund is because we don't want to intermingle any donations into John's personal bank accounts. If a person is donating money to a legal case for obscenity, we want to make sure that that's what their money goes towards... whether for the John / Evil Angel case, or the next one.
And the next step of getting non-profit status will work in that I want to set up a Board of Directors who will decide which future cases money gets allocated to, and in what amounts.
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#314369 - 04/17/08 01:17 AM
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Tricia D. wrote: Quote:
The reason for the fund is because we don't want to intermingle any donations into John's personal bank accounts.
Very noble. How about a real discount on all Evil Angel products to boost sales?
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And the next step of getting non-profit status will work in that I want to set up a Board of Directors who will decide which future cases money gets allocated to, and in what amounts.
I would like to apply for a position on the Board of Directors. Where do I send my application?
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#314372 - 04/17/08 05:00 AM
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I was wondering, was John, who is much richer than Max by the way, going to share his legal fund with Max? Does Max getting sent down the river mean any less than John? I realize John has blown a lot of money in Vegas, but certainly he is still richer than Hardcore in every way possible. Well... maybe not cars.
Anyway, I just find it amusing that John would spend all that money in Vegas, but then try to get a handout when it comes to legal bills to defend pooping out fecal water into girls mouths as normal sex. Seriously, I know lots of girls who poop out enemas into each other's mouths for a sexual thrill. Is that sanctioned as safe sex by AIM Healthcare?
Anyway, I am serious about wondering if you were going to share this legal fund with Max. He is a patriot - fighting this fight alone, without begging for free money. A scumbag, but a patriot for adult. Also, it would be nice if EA would give fucktard Jeff from this site 33% of their donations.
Why is it that we hear nothing about 2257 anymore from the adult Free Speech Coalition? Have they thrown in the towel? Too busy begging for money for the entitled in the industry while leaving the little guy out to dry? I thought that legal help was part of the reason we paid dues to FSC.
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#314374 - 04/17/08 12:23 PM
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Max what % of the legal fund for the entire industry did you get signed up for? I am very happy you are being taken care of.
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#314377 - 04/18/08 12:04 AM
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I can't read Portugese, but I think it says, Fabio Scorpion wishes you good luck from beyone the calf-implant surgery table of death.
The Buttman Family, say goodbye to a big friend and professional, with a single tribute.
the rest : blah blah blah
Fabio Scorpion dies the 23th in Sao Paulo, by complications in a medical procedure 
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#314378 - 04/18/08 04:37 AM
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A year and a half ago I had fun translating this with Gen Padova while I was in the midst of a wild manic episode. Click for the link!! I miss Gen. 
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#314381 - 04/18/08 12:16 PM
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From adultfyi.com Grand Vizier: Remember When Stagliano Told Movies By Mail There's Nothing We Can Do For You? --Gene Ross Porn Valley- His scimitar flashing wildly, the smoke from his Auchincloss cigarettes exhaling a dragon’s fury from his nostrils, The Grand Vizier calls me. It’s about John Stagliano. The Vizier is livid that Stagliano’s created a legal war chest and is soliciting funds for it. In fact Stagliano has launched a website called Defendourprogram.org which allows adult industry members and fans to donate to Stagliano's defense via PayPal. States the Vizier, “AVN’s Mark Kernes- and you got to love this- says Stagliano has taken ‘a bold step’ to encourage support of himself and his company in the face of a federal obscenity prosecution.” The bold step comments are what might have set The Vizier Off. “This is exactly the same thing Pinky Stolbach was doing,” points out The Vizier, taking note of an article I wrote over the past weekend about Stolbach and the Free Speech Legal Defense Fund. www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=27571 “Stagliano’s getting his own club like Pinky.” The Vizier’s also of the opinion that Stagliano, rather than exhort money from the little people, should be liquidating his lavish Malibu digs if his legal bills are that tight. The Vizier’s mad that Stagliano’s reaching out like this in a particularly crass manner. “Where were you when we couldn’t get your ass on a telephone?” asks the Vizier on behalf of some disgruntled porn distributors that have long standing issues with Stagliano and are now taking exception to his whiny tactics. “Stagliano would never give people a break on price,” states The Vizier. “Evil Angel made no deals for anyone. Stagliano ground you into submission with his pricing system. You wouldn’t lower the price? Now sell your home. Out of ego, he produced that Fashionistas show in Vegas which lost money. Now everyone else is being asked to kick in? Oh, can we help you? It’s the height of supreme arrogance. Absolute insanity.” “I’m sure that Cinderella still owes money on that case you talked about in the Pinky article,” continues The Vizier. “Nobody raised money for Charlie Brickman. Where were people to raise money when Jack Stephen’s wife was used to testify against him in Florida?” On the subject of wives, The Vizier points out, ironically at that, how Karen Stagliano/Trisha Devereaux almost married Rob Black. So, either way, Devereaux would have been facing federal indictment as the loyal spouse. Black, like Stagliano, agitated the Feds. Only Black got directly in John Ashcroft’s face on a PBS show urging the Feds to come get him. Whereas Stagliano, used a rendition of Fashionistas on stage at the AVN show to make prickly commentary about the government. The AVN show was aired on Showtime which gave the G-men a front row seat. “How about all the hundreds of thousands Stagliano put in AVN’s pocket?" The Vizier also asks. “Why doesn’t AVN kick back some of that loot? And why is AVN shilling and pimping this? Here’s a thought, John. Don’t advertise for a year and use that money towards your legal bills. That’ll put a hundred grand in your coffers.” The Grand Vizier also tactlessly reminds one and all that when the obscenity case involving Movies By Mail and Sami Harb first came up, it was Stagliano who told Harb, “There’s Nothing We Can Do For You” www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=23347 “The big boys are hiding,” Harb said at the time. One of those big boys was Stagliano. “I hear Josef is buying titles,” continues The Vizier. “Tell Stagliano to sell off his line. Josef will put some real value on that Stagliano product at 65 cents a disc. But he’ll hold the price instead of selling it for 55 cents.”
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