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#267880 - 08/17/07 06:15 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 95
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er and a high speed internet connection?
has the amount of free online porn available had any impact on dvd sales?
there is sooooo much free stuff available I can't see how or why anyone with half a brain would waste money on buying dvds
unless it's highly specific fetish/actress oriented dvd and you are a total loser/jerk off king
what do the numbers tell?
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#267881 - 08/17/07 07:21 AM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 12/10/06
Posts: 35
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the only full scenes i've gotten are from paysites - a much better deal than buying individual dvds. do you get full length scenes for free? how?
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#267882 - 08/17/07 07:30 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 06/16/05
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there are tons of places to get full length scenes
blogs for one
forums are another
you are not looking hard enough
but I am not turning this thread into a free porn grab
its a discussion
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#267891 - 08/17/07 12:30 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 502
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All these comments about "free porn is shit" are from computer illiterate dogfuckers. If you know what you are looking for, complete DVD's are available for download for free, often times before they even get to the street release dates. 1 hour from click to your DVD player for your wanking delight. It's so fucking easy. I won't say where cuz I don't support piracy, but it's not hard to find, especially if you know how to type any URL that ends in .nl.
Just ask Smartt.....he knows all about pirate porn.
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#267892 - 08/17/07 12:43 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 95
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All these comments about "free porn is shit" are from computer illiterate dogfuckers. If you know what you are looking for, complete DVD's are available for download for free, often times before they even get to the street release dates. 1 hour from click to your DVD player for your wanking delight. It's so fucking easy. I won't say where cuz I don't support piracy, but it's not hard to find, especially if you know how to type any URL that ends in .nl.
bingo
so how has this affected sales numbers
rapidshare alone must take a 5-10% bite out
never mind all of the bit torrents
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#267894 - 08/17/07 02:25 PM
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Registered: 08/17/07
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Yeah, I see your point, but at what point do you expect the general public (the porn consuming general public, at least) to care about the producers with their less than squeaky clean histories? From not paying their performers to their ummm... more Tony Montana procilivities? They can hardly use the music industry fallback of it "hurting the artist" if they're the most abusive person in the whole picture, can they?
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#267895 - 08/17/07 02:33 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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I'd never claim to be an angel, but if you turned up at work next week and bust your gut for a paycheck that never came through, you'd be pissed wouldn't you?
Evil are being seriously active against piracy and deserve backing from the entire industry. Maybe one day we'll see an industry wide fund set up to combat piracy with its own central office of geeks tracking down pirated porn.
But probably not.
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#267897 - 08/17/07 02:41 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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I think it's part of a wider problem. It's not just porn, it's music, movies, the whole thing. Partly it's because it just seems to be "acceptable" to a lot of people to download.
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#267898 - 08/17/07 02:46 PM
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Registered: 08/17/07
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I agree, but I still understand the point of those downloading for nothing. I think there's a general mindset that's a cross between a feeling that it's victimless and the perception that the producers, be they porn companies, movie studios or record companies of having had it too good for too long. It would be very difficult to get the general public to offer up even a modicum of sympathy.
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#267901 - 08/17/07 03:44 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
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Studios need to start getting tough, fast. They also need to realise that some things can be sorted out without the involvement or expense of lawyers. A question to Jeff, Tricia, Holly, and any other producer who might lurk here: Why not call up Mr. Marcus and let him know that if he doesn't clean up all the piracy on his forum, then he isn't getting any work? There's one piracy thread over there which has probably cost the industry a couple of million in lost sales alone. Secondly, http://www.niggerworship.com has paysite banners, yet offers pirate clips. Why don't the affiliate programs just pull the account and forfeit their monies? Same deal again with the Marcus forum. That's just two sites in one niche, there's plenty more...once people discover these sites, then 30 second clips kind of lose their appeal, y'know? I'm just saying that the industry needs to be a whole lot less apathetic if it wants to protect its revenue, because currently they are getting robbed blind out there. Oh, and in response to the original question, I like features with all the bells and whistles...commentaries, behind the scenes, etc, so I'll happily buy them on DVD. Gonzo is far more suitable to VOD because you can just cherry pick what you want and leave the rest behind. Personally, I buy DVDs to support the people who make them...I buy a lot of non-adult indie horror movies, and I prefer (wherever possible) to buy direct from the studio/producer because you know they are getting the lion's share of the money instead of distributors and retailers. Same thing with any CDs I buy nowadays too. I buy quite a few 'trade only' magic/mentalism books directly from the authors, same deal with some comics too. This is the argument I have been (unsuccessfully) trying to make to tritone when I suggest he goes on to the Mr. Marcus forum and asks them to stop the piracy. These people are bleeding dry the genre they purport to be fans of, yet still can't grasp why all the top girls are under contract to companies that by and large avoid IR, and that's because they are interested in chasing a customer base that pays for its product. A 'good lookin' out' from some dufus on one of these forums isn't going to cut any slack with the landlord, after all. So why should Vivid, Wicked, and DP give a fuck what they think? The reason I buy stuff rather than pirate it is basically because I want to see more of it. It's that simple. 
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#267902 - 08/17/07 03:49 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 95
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I would love to have a full time job of finding the stolen/illegally shared
porn files for industry companies
seriously someone needs to hire me for this....Now
awaiting PMs
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#267903 - 08/17/07 03:56 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
Loc: Instead of looking at the girl...
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has the amount of free online porn available had any impact on dvd sales?
Enough to make big companies fold, like Vivid. Happy now?
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#267904 - 08/17/07 03:58 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 9181
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has the amount of free online porn available had any impact on dvd sales?
Enough to make big companies fold, like Vivid. Happy now?
You ought to know, you're the queen of file sharing.
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#267905 - 08/17/07 03:58 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
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I would love to have a full time job of finding the stolen/illegally shared
porn files for industry companies
seriously someone needs to hire me for this....Now
awaiting PMs
I'm already doing that. And not only in English language sites. The bulk of the piracy is hidden on Russian sites.
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#267906 - 08/17/07 03:59 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
Loc: Instead of looking at the girl...
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has the amount of free online porn available had any impact on dvd sales?
Enough to make big companies fold, like Vivid. Happy now?
You ought to know, you're the queen of file sharing.
PROVE IT, motherfucker.
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#267907 - 08/17/07 04:07 PM
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Porn Icon
Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3499
Loc: The Dirty: 480
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Maybe one day we'll see an industry wide fund set up to combat piracy with its own central office of geeks tracking down pirated porn.
Would said geeks perhaps get paid in free porn and other, uhhhh . . . "courtesies"? If that were the case, it might not be too far away, y'know?
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#267908 - 08/17/07 04:09 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 1681
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I'll admit that I have pretty much stopped buying porn in the three years since I started using the internet. I do not, however, rely on piracy sites.
Porn isn't just about movies/dvds anymore.
Granted, I still have my handy stash of favs, but I will just as easily rely on a literature site, or a good amateur file hoster instead of funneling money into the coffers of the film industry. Hell, sometimes what I'm getting off to has nothing to do with porn, but still has stroke appeal. And it's all at the comfort of my desk.
I was involved briefly in the retail end of this business and saw nothing but shit coming onto the shelves. To me there is nothing worse than redundant smut, and the companies that crank it out are the ones who need to worry. Quality production companies are learning, just as the consumer, to adapt, but it's not an overnight process.
In the mean time, I have found an easier, cheaper way to get my kicks.
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#267909 - 08/17/07 04:10 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 988
Loc: Sun Diego
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HOLD THE PRESSES!!! Shane's World to Host Anti-Piracy Roundtable!! FSC began a "task-force" this week too. Does anyone else find it funny that Shane's World, a company pretty much known for exploiting college kids and making millions off them while giving them $100 or so to star in their College Invasion videos, is the one spearheading the piracy fight?  Don't they realize its college kids who design most of these peer to peer programs, powered the Kazaa and Napster booms when they were little freshmen in their dorms with T1 connections, and continue to proliferate a good portion of the porn piracy in the US? Can you say biting the hand that feeds them? My generation is one that believes porn should be free (I don't necessarily believe that motto; then again the 60s was "Free Love" why shouldn't the new millennium be known for "Free Porn" as its a hell of a lot safer to jack off than to go fuck); and they have the technological means to do it and will forever be ten steps ahead of anything the porn industry can do. 
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#267912 - 08/17/07 08:48 PM
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Poodle Killer
Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 02/24/06
Posts: 812
Loc: Rubbing dicks with strange guy...
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Boo fuckin Hoo... This is 2000 and fucking seven,,,,,And you expect me to pay to see some drug dead whore get her anus stretched till its the size of a beer can...Fuck you...!!! Even when i get it for free,,i still don,t watch most of it..Because its too fucking disgusting...Tell the fucking studios to put out something worth paying for...I'd be happy to drop some coin,,,but notfor some fecal stretched assholes.. So as previous stated Fuck You...! You want free porn its easy...I can download a brand new movie into 2-3 hours...Its called Torrents,, and its really fuckin easy.. And what you people never heard of FTA satellite receivers,,,I get probably thirty channels of porn on my TV...So as Dangle says ["People,, get with the program...!"] 
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#267914 - 09/06/07 01:44 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 03/29/05
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Actually i would love to reply to your post ...
First and formost .. don't believe everything you read. The first version of the RollingStone article didn't trash us .. but an excutive decided we were much more interesting with the " we abuse college kids" slant. In order for us to show up to a College Party we are first and foremost invited by about 10-15 of a certain group of friends. We then actually warn them that if they plan on being president or anything like that .. don't be in the movie. We then actually disscuss STD's with them and pay to have anyone who thinks they may want to fuck a pornstar on camera, to have an AIM certified test. It's a 3-4 month process. So i wouldn't exactly say they are being taken advantage of.
On a second side note for that .. the kid who bitched and whines in Rolling Stone was class president ..which he did NOT inform us during filming. He should have known better. More importantly if i remember correctly, 2 months after that article after he stopped making money of his "sob story version" of the story. He called us for a job.
Do you REALLY think with todays goverment if we were truly exploting unknowing college students, we wouldn't be in jail? They ALL sign releases and show proof if ID! Everyone there is FULLY aware of what they are doing and what is going on.
Now on to the real issue. As far as piracy goes ... we wern't spear heading it. (BTW, the meeting was last nigh and it went great!) We simply offered up the money for the space to have the meeting. We listen to studios bitch all day long and do nothing .. including ourselves. So we are getting proactive. We have no problem with someone downloading our movie via one of the legal outlets. We spend a lot of time and money making what some people find to be enjoyable movies. Our major issue is with DVD piracy via replication and torrent sites.
Would you continue to show up to work if they stopped paying you but wanted you to keep working for free and hell even appreciate your work? All we are trying to do is protect what we put a lot of effort into. If everyone watches the movies for free we will not be able to continue to make such a truly original product! No one thinks about the 10 person crew we have to fly for each movie, the cost of talent, location, food, activities, replication, boxes to ship product, agent fees, warehouse staff, sales staff, printing, graphic desing and SO MUCH more that goes into each movie. We personally as a studio have on average double to triple the budget as a regular gonzo .. we want to be able to continue to offer something different. Our going after piraters is only going to protect those productions and hopefully at some point be able to bring out price in the stores down.
Megan
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#267915 - 09/06/07 02:06 PM
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Registered: 09/06/07
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This topic is very interesting and has some valid (cough) points. Why pay for something when you can get it for free? Let's address this for a moment. Why would you pay for rent on an apartment when you can just squat? Why would you pay for food when you can just steal it? Why would you buy clothes when you can just shoplift? Why would you pay for a movie when you can just sneak into a theater? Why would you pay for gas when you can just syphon it? Why would you pay taxes when you can just evade? Why would you pay for anything if you can just be a crook? Nice fucking mentality, losers! It's this type of lazy, lemming thought process that makes me wonder about the future of humanity. DON'T PAY FOR SHIT IF YOU CAN STEAL IT! Kill the industries that feed, put clothes on your back, and provide entertainment to you, so you have to go back to wearing fucking fig leaves and animal pelts, while you sleep in caves and bludgeon sewer rats with sticks for your weekly meal... cro magnon twats! My guess is that you can't afford to pay for the shit you steal because you are worthless products of our undereducated society at large. If you can afford to pay for things, then you are simply a waste of flesh, and deserve to go extinct. It's simple economics. Pay for shit you use. The company that provides it to you flourishes and can continue providing you with the shit you use. Steal from the companies that provide to you, the company fails, and you no longer have the shit you use. Get an inkling, and fight the idiocracy. Warmest regards, TheMonster P.S. Fuck off cunts. 
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#267916 - 09/06/07 02:14 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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I agree entirely, TheMonster. And welcome to the board. Unless you're another alt, of course...
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#267917 - 09/06/07 02:20 PM
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Registered: 09/06/07
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I agree entirely, TheMonster. And welcome to the board. Unless you're another alt, of course...
No alt here. The Real Dealio! 
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#267918 - 09/06/07 03:53 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 988
Loc: Sun Diego
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First and formost .. don't believe everything you read. The first version of the RollingStone article didn't trash us ..(snip)
Go back and try *reading* my posts. I never mentioned the future repercussions of starring in a porno, my reasoning was simply the finances and money involved. I mentioned I thought it was *ridiculous* the price Shane's World paid those college kids for participating and starring in videos given the amount of profit and publicity it was garnering for the company.
Shane's World had *no* problems paying Kurt Lockwood, a so called millionaire, $3600 to take a fake cock balls deep in his ass, but only $100 (which I assume is accurate as you didn't take any issue with that number) to a poor college kid when compared to a normal Shane's World release (like I assume Kurt's strap-on movie)..."Campus Invasion sold *five* times the normal amount?" C'mon, $100 is less than what the fucking AIM test costs!
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Do you REALLY think with todays goverment if we were truly exploting unknowing college students, we wouldn't be in jail? They ALL sign releases and show proof if ID! Everyone there is FULLY aware of what they are doing and what is going on.
Once again, I never said anything about unknowing participants, but rather ill-informed ones.
Yet state governments acting through public colleges and universities, especially outside California, can take a number of steps to fuck up student's lives after starring in adult productions, whether for Shane's World or other companies (and even within California...the frat up at Chico?). The law is on *their* side unfortunately in these cases.
I've spent much of the last two years of my life trying to change that; when your company was out making millions I was up in Sacramento living on the cheap and calling a stinky couch in Davis my home while meeting with state legislators to get laws passed protecting Free Expression on college campuses AND for that protection to *include* adult expression. California has the strictest protections in the nation for First Amendment issues like this and it hasn't come without hard work.
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We personally as a studio have on average double to triple the budget as a regular gonzo .. we want to be able to continue to offer something different. Our going after piraters is only going to protect those productions and hopefully at some point be able to bring out price in the stores down.
And there's ways to go about it that minimize negative P.R.; you could go out today and send out a hundred cease and desist letters to bit torrents and password sites and get something done about it, but that would just favor temporary progress over long term solutions. I think piracy is more akin to racism as a problem; its deeply entrenched in society, varies from group to group, and there's no easy instant solution.
The 18-25 crowd (the ones perpetuating the bit torrent revolution) views sex as something that's so mainstream now that they do not view it as a novelty or a commodity, especially porno, really worth paying for when its so easily available through legal and illegal sources. There's no easy approach to changing this. They've (I can say we've) grown up with the internet and all the simulated sex they can get for free at their fingertips from the day they reach puberty.
I think the first step is taking pride in your product and continuing to be innovative with content, production and delivery methods, issues that Shane's World really does do best, and passing that mentality and pride onto your consumers...I can't say the same about other studios.
But enough with the banter between us...I think most people here would rather be anxious to hear the inside story on Casey Parker after Penny Flame's accusations as those have been discussed quite a bit too. What's the deal with that out of curiosity? 
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If you can afford to pay for things, then you are simply a waste of flesh, and deserve to go extinct.
I'll keep that in mind Dr. Darwin. 
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#267919 - 09/06/07 03:56 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
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Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Why pay for porn? Well the only good horses, goats, and large dogs fucking females, midgets, and transsexuals type porn is pay porn. It is largely filmed in my home country of Belize where most of us grew up with this activity. Unfortunately, I can't buy this on DVD as in the USA it is only legal in Alabama and Idaho.
I am a porn insider.
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#267920 - 09/06/07 04:44 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 03/29/05
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Go back and try *reading* my posts. I never mentioned the future repercussions of starring in a porno, my reasoning was simply the finances and money involved. I mentioned I thought it was *ridiculous* the price Shane's World paid those college kids for participating and starring in videos given the amount of profit and publicity it was garnering for the company.
Shane's World had *no* problems paying Kurt Lockwood, a so called millionaire, $3600 to take a fake cock balls deep in his ass, but only $100 (which I assume is accurate as you didn't take any issue with that number) to a poor college kid when compared to a normal Shane's World release (like I assume Kurt's strap-on movie)..."Campus Invasion sold *five* times the normal amount?" C'mon, $100 is less than what the fucking AIM test costs!
Actually we pay them nothing. They throw a party and we come as the entertainment. They ask us to come to live out a fantasy. They know their is no pay what so ever. Although we do pay to have their house cleaned after the party. Usually the college boys who throw the party charge a door fee and that's how they make some money for themselves. Then again sometimes they just invite a bunch of their friends! But no one who has ever appeared in one has even asked for money. Maybe a handful of times people have asked it we pay and we say no .. your choice if you want to do it and they say "cool i'm in!" Our cost is the cost of having the girls fly out their for 4 days .. all of their scenes, planes tickets and all the other stuff from before. We also bring some free dvds for every one, buy some food and stuff. We usually actually hang out with all the college kids who invite us. Which is very exciting for them. They girls sign stuff for them, take pictures, etc. To be honest we have a waiting list of college kids that want us to come out and party with them.
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Once again, I never said anything about unknowing participants, but rather ill-informed ones.
Yet state governments acting through public colleges and universities, especially outside California, can take a number of steps to fuck up student's lives after starring in adult productions, whether for Shane's World or other companies (and even within California...the frat up at Chico?). The law is on *their* side unfortunately in these cases.
I've spent much of the last two years of my life trying to change that; when your company was out making millions I was up in Sacramento living on the cheap and calling a stinky couch in Davis my home while meeting with state legislators to get laws passed protecting Free Expression on college campuses AND for that protection to *include* adult expression. California has the strictest protections in the nation for First Amendment issues like this and it hasn't come without hard work.
As you know chico got a slap on the wrist .. their frat was suspended for a few months. Which they told us can happen from having a party too loud and too late.
Like i told you .. they are not ill-informed at all. We talk to them for at least a few months person even flying out there. We talk to them, set up the date, get tests, pick girls, set up flights .. it's insane. Trust me .. it takes awhile.
We also fight for those rights .. and it is a hard fight. You preaching to the converted there.
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And there's ways to go about it that minimize negative P.R.; you could go out today and send out a hundred cease and desist letters to bit torrents and password sites and get something done about it, but that would just favor temporary progress over long term solutions. I think piracy is more akin to racism as a problem; its deeply entrenched in society, varies from group to group, and there's no easy instant solution.
The 18-25 crowd (the ones perpetuating the bit torrent revolution) views sex as something that's so mainstream now that they do not view it as a novelty or a commodity, especially porno, really worth paying for when its so easily available through legal and illegal sources. There's no easy approach to changing this. They've (I can say we've) grown up with the internet and all the simulated sex they can get for free at their fingertips from the day they reach puberty.
I think the first step is taking pride in your product and continuing to be innovative with content, production and delivery methods, issues that Shane's World really does do best, and passing that mentality and pride onto your consumers...I can't say the same about other studios.
But enough with the banter between us...I think most people here would rather be anxious to hear the inside story on Casey Parker after Penny Flame's accusations as those have been discussed quite a bit too. What's the deal with that out of curiosity?
I agree with a lot of what you said on the piracy issue. We are trying to adress those issues and many more. We hope other studios will jump in too.
As far as Casey and Penny go ... Let's just say sometimes 2 women arn't friends and we all know how girls can be =)
I personally love Penny and wish she was still apart of the team .. but it just didn't work out. She was with us for 2 years .. it was time to move on. I am sure Penny has big plans in the future.
I am sure at some point Casey will no longer be with us either .. and i am sure she will do big things. It's kind of the nature of the business ... people mature and grow and learn things somewhere .. then when they hit the glass ceiling they move on. Or we as a studio go as far as we can with someone and it's time to set them free.
On a personal level .. i still adore everyone we have worked with and all the people we currently work with!
xoxo,
Megan
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#267921 - 09/06/07 04:49 PM
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Broccoli Buy Piss Mop
Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 10/25/05
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Bit Torrent. Sadly, Piracy will always be an impenetrable force  Like the war on drugs, pointless. It's a good thing that companies will always strive to make a dent. They need to these days.
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#267922 - 09/06/07 07:00 PM
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Gay For Pay
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I'm not talking out of my ass on the College Invasion issue; my old organization and paper The Koala and myself talked extensively with Shane's World at one point a couple years back. I'm sure things at Shane's World have changed since then, but I'm doing my best to base all this out of personal experience and correspondence. Quote:
Actually we pay them nothing. They throw a party and we come as the entertainment. They ask us to come to live out a fantasy. They know their is no pay what so ever.
Not entirely true from my experience. Brian contacted me *out of the blue*:
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:23:53 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shane's World" XXXXXXXXXX@earthlink.net>
To: XXXXX@ucsd.edu
Subject: Shane's World
Hi Steven,
Not sure if this is the Steven that made the student adult video? If you are, please contact us at 818 XXX-XXXX.
We'd like to talk to you about your story.
Brian Grant
shanesworld.com
I had a bit of correspondence with Nicole Henderson and Brian before handing it over to a Koala staff member as I was busy with running the paper. Shane's World originally offered me $5K for ownership and promotion of my original video from February 2005 which I turned down...(not Risin' Fees and Poppin' B's with Trinity James and where that fatty photo of me came from that XPT *loves* so much). I did not have proper model releases or 2257 from the girl who I did it with. (on a side note I had no clue what 2257 was at the time and learned all about it after that, and Shane's didn't seem super concerned with the legal issues regarding the video itself in offering that type of cash). After turning the video buy offer down, Shane's World and The Koala did talk about the idea of hosting a College Invasion party (but a number of issues, including the news coming out from Chico and the suspensions in late March 2005 hit at the same time and not getting enough people to be interested in actually dropping their pants, plus a few people on staff figured we should just do the porn stuff on our own and not basically publicize a multi-million dollar company for free).
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Although we do pay to have their house cleaned after the party.
And at the time your company offered to pay for "tight security" as well as the booze consumed. It wasn't like we would throw a party and Shane's World would show up, your company had very tight and stringent restrictions on publicizing it, the security used, who could come (including IDs and model releases), where it would be held, how many people, etc. I know how much work goes into doing it by the book in the safest legal fashion.
Really, don't take any of this personally Megan as I do enjoy Shane's World's products and pick them up from time to time when they catch my attention, and most of my experiences with the company happened slightly before (I believe) you were hired there.
NOW BACK TO THE REAL ISSUE...PIRACY!
I was a bit puzzled your company supposedly hired Jeffrey/Fredrick Douglas to chair that debate yesterday and try to have FSC hijack your hardwork in the piracy issue and roundtable. If Mike South's report posted on LukeisBack is right, I'm glad a few people there had the balls to put them in their place.  
I wish I could have made it yesterday as my experience with bit torrent programs is a bit more unique; they have made it possible for me to distribute my content when I've felt it was necessary to get it out there to as many people as possible for free (for legal and First Amendment issues given all the controversy my stuff's caused over the years and the media attention) given my limited budget and income when it comes to having to accommodate tens of millions of web-hits and downloads. Bit torents have literally saved me *thousands* of dollars in hosting costs. It just sucks I'm the 1% of people who use them legally and for good.
Its just like YouTube; its such a powerful program when its user-generated, but can become such a total bane of copyright holders. Its one of those issues where you can't successfully attack the program, but rather the individual perps.
Just don't go after college kids first thing. 
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"I choppy choppy yo pee pee"
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#267924 - 09/06/07 08:58 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Better resolution picture & in-sync dialogue.
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#267925 - 09/07/07 09:26 AM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 03/29/05
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I'm not talking out of my ass on the College Invasion issue; my old organization and paper The Koala and myself talked extensively with Shane's World at one point a couple years back. I'm sure things at Shane's World have changed since then, but I'm doing my best to base all this out of personal experience and correspondence.
Not entirely true from my experience. Brian contacted me *out of the blue*:
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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:23:53 -0800 (PST)
From: "Shane's World" XXXXXXXXXX@earthlink.net>
To: XXXXX@ucsd.edu
Subject: Shane's World
Hi Steven,
Not sure if this is the Steven that made the student adult video? If you are, please contact us at 818 XXX-XXXX.
We'd like to talk to you about your story.
Brian Grant
shanesworld.com
I had a bit of correspondence with Nicole Henderson and Brian before handing it over to a Koala staff member as I was busy with running the paper. Shane's World originally offered me $5K for ownership and promotion of my original video from February 2005 which I turned down...(not Risin' Fees and Poppin' B's with Trinity James and where that fatty photo of me came from that XPT *loves* so much). I did not have proper model releases or 2257 from the girl who I did it with. (on a side note I had no clue what 2257 was at the time and learned all about it after that, and Shane's didn't seem super concerned with the legal issues regarding the video itself in offering that type of cash). After turning the video buy offer down, Shane's World and The Koala did talk about the idea of hosting a College Invasion party (but a number of issues, including the news coming out from Chico and the suspensions in late March 2005 hit at the same time and not getting enough people to be interested in actually dropping their pants, plus a few people on staff figured we should just do the porn stuff on our own and not basically publicize a multi-million dollar company for free).
We have offered lots of people money based on movies. But you never got to the next step it seems .. first we offer and negociate based on the movie. Then once that's setteled we go to step 2 .. which is all the legal stuff. Trust me we are nazi about the 2257 stuff .. and actually the FBI showed up here and we passed with flying colors. They said we were 1 or only 2 companis that had zero infractions and didn't need to take the 5 days to go back and correct something.
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And at the time your company offered to pay for "tight security" as well as the booze consumed. It wasn't like we would throw a party and Shane's World would show up, your company had very tight and stringent restrictions on publicizing it, the security used, who could come (including IDs and model releases), where it would be held, how many people, etc. I know how much work goes into doing it by the book in the safest legal fashion.
I forgot we do pay for security. But i am asure you with 120% accuracy we would never ever or ever have paid for drinks. That is one of the things we are 120% on. We can't nor wouldn't. That is the party throwers job if they choose to. The restrictions on where it is held is one rule .. MUST be off campus housing. And be big enough to throw a party and have us shoot in it. We are request somewhere where we can tape up tarps over the windows and such so no one who shouldn't see in .. can.
We never suggest publiclly saying we are there. Why would we do that? it's like asking the cops to break up the party. We ask you to make the party well known so that their can be as many people there as possible. Well because a College Invasion wouldn't be a College Invasion if 6 guys were sitting on their couch LOL So no we don't want to spend the money to get out somewhere and pay everyone to party with 6 dudes LOL. Which so far we haven't had a problem with LOL We also ask that a certain amount of people are interested in performing. Of course!! We don't want to show up and have a bunch of wall flowers LOL
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Really, don't take any of this personally Megan as I do enjoy Shane's World's products and pick them up from time to time when they catch my attention, and most of my experiences with the company happened slightly before (I believe) you were hired there.
I don't at all! I am proud to work somewhere that i think makes a great product. But trust me .. i have a tough skin =)
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NOW BACK TO THE REAL ISSUE...PIRACY!
I was a bit puzzled your company supposedly hired Jeffrey/Fredrick Douglas to chair that debate yesterday and try to have FSC hijack your hardwork in the piracy issue and roundtable. If Mike South's report posted on LukeisBack is right, I'm glad a few people there had the balls to put them in their place.
We NEVER hired Jeffery to moderate it. That was an inaccurate statement from Mike South. We hired a moderator from outside the industry to do a great job. Jeffery came on his own accord.
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I wish I could have made it yesterday as my experience with bit torrent programs is a bit more unique; they have made it possible for me to distribute my content when I've felt it was necessary to get it out there to as many people as possible for free (for legal and First Amendment issues given all the controversy my stuff's caused over the years and the media attention) given my limited budget and income when it comes to having to accommodate tens of millions of web-hits and downloads. Bit torents have literally saved me *thousands* of dollars in hosting costs. It just sucks I'm the 1% of people who use them legally and for good.
Why not distribute it through AEBN? Or Hotmovie? or any of the other places that let you actually make a profit and provide customer service to the customer viewing it if they have issues?
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Its just like YouTube; its such a powerful program when its user-generated, but can become such a total bane of copyright holders. Its one of those issues where you can't successfully attack the program, but rather the individual perps.
Just don't go after college kids first thing.
This is the thing .. the goverment jumps down our throat about 2257 and protecting kids ... where is the docmention for bit torrent sites? a 12 year old can go on any of those networks and get it for free. My other issue .. the quality usually sucks!! i want people to view our stuff in "full glory" LOL Bit torrents sometimes edit clips out of order. Most of our stuff has a story and some funnies .. those are some of the things that make us unique. I have so problem with someone using a 2 minute preview to drive traffic to our site and make some money off our affiliate program. But a whole movie? That bothers me ... as i am sure once you have distribution .. you will see .. every download is another movie you could have sold. I don't even want to start on the store who are doing crappy replication in a back room ... the compression sucks and the menus usually dont work.
xoxo,
Megan
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#267927 - 09/07/07 11:07 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
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This is the thing .. the goverment jumps down our throat about 2257 and protecting kids ... where is the docmention for bit torrent sites? a 12 year old can go on any of those networks and get it for free.
No doubt they will use the standard 'We are not responsible for what users upload' cop-out. However, an easy way to solve this would be to have all uploaders register before they could upload anything, probably with some sort of no-charge credit card verification so that they know that the user is over 18, and also where they live. If said user chooses to upload copyrighted material, then the copyright holder will be able to find out exactly where to get a hold of them.
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I have so problem with someone using a 2 minute preview to drive traffic to our site and make some money off our affiliate program. But a whole movie? That bothers me ... as i am sure once you have distribution .. you will see .. every download is another movie you could have sold.
Yes, I've made this point recently also with regards to the Mr. Marcus forum, which I figure has cost the industry at least a couple million $ in terms of lost revenue, and that's looking on the bright side.
You can read about it here
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#267928 - 09/07/07 02:16 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 698
Loc: CA
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Because you usually get what you pay for with free net porn, it's for cheapskates with no taste, who'll jerk off to anything since it's free. Usually it's old ass scenes or crappy little clips. If you're serious about porn and looking just to get off to only old garbage then go for it.
Dood, aparently you haven't seen sextv1.tv.
Their free player has 5 channels that spits out scene after scene of videos many of the studios supplied to VOD providers. With this there is no reason to buy the upsell into premium service, despite the fact that they just downgraded the playback quality.
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