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#248281 - 05/31/07 12:43 PM
Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Internet Tough Guy
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#248282 - 05/31/07 12:48 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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Yet they allow obscene freaks of nature like you walk around freely. What is this world coming to?
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#248284 - 05/31/07 01:30 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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I've wondered a few times before how Gonzo fares under obscenity standard as opposed to features.
The first test under the obscenity standard is that an adult movie is not obscene unless it appeals solely to a "prurient interest". In other words, does it have any other purpose besides masterbation. Features passed the test, becuase they had story lines. If you pass the first test then you go on to the "community obscenity test".
Fast forward to today's Gonzo product. What's missing? Story lines. What's left, nothing but sexual titillation.
Does much of modern Gonzo fail the first prong of the obscenity test--as there is no reason to watch most Gonzo films other than to jerk off.
The funny thing is that Extreme and a few other companies worked some political or anti-religious message into their films. For example, "Forced Entry" can be viewed as a commentary on Richard Ramirez. So the government would still need to prove Extreme violated community standards.
There is alot of porn out there with no story and wall to wall sex. Quick, what's any Jules Jordan film about? "Max Hardcore"? I could go on, but you get the point.
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#248285 - 05/31/07 01:33 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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This is bullshit. I'm not a big fan of Max, but have no problem with him. Is he obscene? Absolutely? Does he exploit the sexuality of children? Absolutely not. What Max does is exploit a fetish, which is no more illegal than the accepted fetish of infantilism.
Love him or hate him, Max Hardcore is not a pedophile. He just plays one on TV. Leave the fucker alone.
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#248286 - 05/31/07 01:34 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 01/19/04
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Please remember Max in your prayers.
Who else produces and distributes that kind of pissing material?
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#248290 - 05/31/07 02:51 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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Max has got the green to fight it. Just proves that the fuckers will come for you any route they can. Be interesting to see if this one gets thrown out or not.
Good luck, Max. Just because I don't like your porn doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to make it and sell it.
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#248293 - 05/31/07 04:21 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Good luck, Max. Just because I don't like your porn doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to make it and sell it.
I think this sums up the situation well
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#248294 - 05/31/07 04:30 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 07/30/06
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You know, with the MPAA has been toying around with the idea of giving movies that portray smoking in a glamorous light(which, I suppose means if the smoker doesn't die of cancer by the end of the flick) R-ratings and the numerous "no smoking in public at all" laws passed and trying to be passed, I think I know why they are going after Max. Girls are sometimes showed <gasp> smoking in his flicks. Fist fucking and pissing might have been obscene in the DoJ's eyes, but I have a feeling the Anti-Smoking Fascists in power may have had a hand in this one also.
Seriously, though, Good luck to Max with this(Jeff and Rob too, even though Rob's porn does kinda suck). You guys look like you'll need it.
and kudos for standing up to the bastards instead of pussying out like the dude who made that fisting video with Chloe and Alisha Klass.
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#248295 - 05/31/07 06:18 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Paperchase, add another $500K and you'll be in the ballpark. Trials are expensive, two month trials are more expensive. The US Attorneys have a knack for dragging things out. I don't think Max will have the same attorney come trial or at least he won't be working alone. A former US Attorney will be brought on to the team. I don't have any inside info, its just the way things happen. They should already be preparing for the appeal. I would think they have already started pleading with Gene Volokh to come on as an appelate advisor. If the government sets a precedent, Max will have company.
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#248296 - 05/31/07 06:33 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
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Kick their asses, Max.
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#248297 - 05/31/07 06:42 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 02/18/07
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why in the hell would you host a website like Max's in the US????? There are so many ISPs in europe that can host it.
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#248299 - 05/31/07 07:07 PM
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Porn Icon
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Assuming your figures are correct and we divide up the cost as $500,000 for legal fees and say $100,000 for expenses that would put us in the neighborhood of 1400 hours of billable time. Why do you think it would be a two month trial Paperchase?
Talking to yourself? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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#248300 - 05/31/07 07:17 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
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#248301 - 05/31/07 07:25 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Having seen too many AUSA's in action. Don't forget, they're going for civil seizure, so there will be evidence and testimony on each and every piece of property in which seizure is sought and linking that proeperty to the so called criminal enterprise. Of course my experience is in NY, but I have no reason to think the FLA boys and girls would be much different. Ask Rob black how long he's been fighting the feds. I also think $350 an hour is pretty low for an attorney in LA.
Edit: Just saw Mike South's comment on LIB and he agree's with $500K.
Edited by Moxie (05/31/07 07:33 PM)
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#248304 - 05/31/07 07:56 PM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 06/23/06
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Civil Forfeiture is being sought to obtain possesion of Max's home, business and websites. Thus the forfeiture would be part of the merits. But even if that were not the case, the DOJ would find some way to drag it it. Its just in their nature. Thats just what i've seen. Nuff said.
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#248311 - 06/01/07 12:18 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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why in the hell would you host a website like Max's in the US????? There are so many ISPs in europe that can host it.
Because Max is a patriotic American who doesn't want his dollars going overseas to some third world sweatshop ISP, that's why! 
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#248312 - 06/01/07 06:04 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/04/06
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Does anyone have an accurate figure for how much money the Association of Yellow Couch Manufacturers of America (TM) is willing to put into Max's defense fund?
I'm hoping for more than just a trickle.
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#248313 - 06/01/07 06:47 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
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Max will beat this one. And when he does he will claim his victory by making porn of an even more vile nature than he had before. It is his right.
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#248315 - 06/01/07 07:00 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Porn Fucking Master
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Max will beat this one. And when he does he will claim his victory by making porn of an even more vile nature than he had before. It is his right.
Is it possible for him to be more vile then he already is?
yes.
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#248321 - 06/03/07 06:10 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
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This really has no point other then to bankrupt Max in a court fight
Yes, or at very least cost him dearly. They'll trot out "experts" on all kinds of things that sound good to ill informed jurors and villify him. Dragging it out is only part of the strategy though, his billable legal hours will cost him a sweet chunk of cash but it will also keep him from having as much time/energy from making more movies. The idea is that you cut the defendant from both ends, impacting his livelihood while heavily draining his financial resources. Max has gone on record in the past as saying his sales go through the roof when he gets into legal tangles so perhaps he'll show them again why such prosecutions only serve to make his movies more popular.
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Nice job of wasting Tax payers dollars to appease the bible thumpers!
It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions. In the interrim, various laws attacking the industry (Houston's SOB ordinance comes to mind) have surfaced, equally or even more supported by the so-called "friends" of porn (the democrats). The mayor of Houston and his predecessor served on Clinton's Cabinet, both pushing the SOB laws in the city pretty heavy yet since this doesn't fit the scheme of AVN and other industry news sources, you may not have heard about it (the panel of judges issuing a stay included 2 GOP appointees and 1 democratic appointee=do the math).
Max makes offensive entertainment material using consenting adults that are paid a premium for their participation. If someone was illegally assaulted on one of his sets in the past (as in "unstaged" by the way), by all means feel free to charge him with the crime. Without some reasonable standard of what constitutes "obscene", charging him with that seems a direct contradiction to the intentions of our founding fathers. Granted, they would have probably found a tree and a good sturdy rope for Max but...
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#248322 - 06/03/07 10:36 AM
Re: Max Hardcore Indicted on Obscenity Charges
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Internet Tough Guy
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It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions.
Not true.
Los Angeles Times
A Justice Department spokesman said the prosecution was an outgrowth of a government anti-obscenity initiative started in 2001 under former U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft.
"Whenever a new administration comes in, it has to make a decision on what resources to put where," Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said. "And one of the things they took a look at in 2001 was to investigate and prosecute these types of crime because of the expansion of the Internet."
The Bush administration has significantly increased the number of pornography prosecutions in recent years, according to the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, a data-gathering and research organization associated with Syracuse University.
Though the federal prosecution of white-collar crimes, gun offenses and police brutality cases is down nationwide, the number of pornography prosecutions has grown from 500 to 700 a year between 1999 and 2001, to 1,300 to 1,400 annually over the last three years, said David Burnham, co-director of the clearinghouse."
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#248323 - 06/03/07 12:05 PM
Indictment and DOJ News Release
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Porn Fucking Master
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Justice Department News release Source Producer Paul Little Indicted on Obscenity Charges WASHINGTON – A Hollywood director and producer, along with an entertainment company, have been indicted on obscenity charges, Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney James R. Klindt for the Middle District of Florida announced today. The 10-count indictment returned May 17, 2007, in Tampa and unsealed yesterday charges Paul F. Little, a/k/a Max Hardcore, 50, of Altadena, Calif., and MaxWorld Entertainment Inc., with five counts of transporting obscene matter by use of an interactive computer service and five counts of mailing obscene matter. Little is a nationally-known director, producer and star of films featuring acts such as anal penetration, urination, insertion of an entire hand into a vagina or anus, vomiting, and severe violence towards the female performers participating in the acts. The indictment alleges that Little, through MaxWorld Entertainment, Inc., distributed films that met the U.S. Supreme Court’s standards for obscenity through the U.S. mail to an address located in the Middle District of Florida. The defendants are also charged with transmitting over the Internet through their Web site five obscene video clips which were promotional trailers of the full-length feature films available through MaxWorld Entertainment Inc. Little surrendered to authorities yesterday in the Central District of California. His arraignment is scheduled for July 12 at U.S. District Court in the Middle District of Florida. The government is seeking forfeiture of the obscene films charged in the indictment, all gross profits from the distribution of the films, and all property used to facilitate the charged obscenity crimes, including Little’s residence in Altadena, Calif., and the Internet domain names maxhardcore.com, pissedonpornstars.com, and catalinaxxx.com. Investigators with the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted the investigation of this case. The case is being prosecuted by trial attorneys with the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section of the Criminal Division, with the assistance of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida. An indictment is only a charge and is not evidence of guilt. A defendant is entitled to a fair trial in which it will be the government’s burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Copy of the indictment from The Smoking Gun
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#248327 - 06/05/07 11:11 AM
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Human Garbage
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Fine, so get lulled into thinking there will be no prosecution for porn for 4 years and then someone worse will eventually come along and prosecute you anyway.
There are republican who will prosecute porn. There are democrats that will prosecute porn. Practically everyone will prosecute porn. Hillary might be the worst of all with her feminazi freinds.
Its not the politicians, its the ambiguous definition of obscenity that is the problem. if the law was no urine, I doubt anyone would make urination films. So, pornographers push the limits until someone gets prosecuted, thats the way the system works.
The Max Hardcore prosecution could end up with a ruling that obscenity jurisprudence is obscelete in the age of the internet. Or, you could get a ruling that lack of a story line = prurient interest and all gonzo is illegal. Or you could get a ruling that pissing is over the line and no one will do pissing movies anymore. As long as the law is ambiguous and pornographers push the limits, then the question is going to come to a head at some point.
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#248328 - 06/05/07 11:47 AM
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Porn Jesus
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It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions.
Your way off my friend. In the last 7 years (Republican) there have been 5 indictments handed down to mainstream porno companies while the 8 years the Dem. had control there was zero. If you vote Republican you vote to kill freedom. 
Savanna Samson votes for kill the freedom............fucking stupid whore!
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#248330 - 06/05/07 11:58 AM
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Porn Jesus
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It's certainly convenient to blame the bible thumpers and GOP for all the legal ills plaguing porn and the adult entertainment industry but the truth is that the democrats and feminists are just as dangerous on the home front. The republican party has been in control of the White House for years now yet there have been few prosecutions.
Your way off my friend. In the last 7 years (Republican) there have been 5 indictments handed down to mainstream porno companies while the 8 years the Dem. had control there was zero. If you vote Republican you vote to kill freedom.
Savanna Samson votes for kill the freedom............fucking stupid whore!
Rudy never brought a single obscenity case despite nearly two decades as prosecutor and mayor.
but when the moral groups(republican voters) start to push him, the wichthunt began
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#248331 - 06/05/07 12:30 PM
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Human Garbage
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Rudy doesn't get pushed. He's usually the one who does the pushing. But you can apply your logic to any politician.
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#248332 - 06/05/07 01:06 PM
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Rudy never brought a single obscenity case despite nearly two decades as prosecutor and mayor.
(whistles)
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V119/N55/museum_55.55w.html
In another First Amendment setback for Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, a federal judge Monday ordered him to stop withholding city money from the Brooklyn Museum of Art and to end an eviction proceeding he began over the controversial exhibit “Sensation.â€
U.S. District Court Judge Nina Gershon concluded that the mayor had violated the museum’s First Amendment rights by trying to punish it for exhibiting works he deemed “sick,†“disgusting†and thus unworthy of city funding.
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The Giuliani administration has lost more than 15 court cases involving the First Amendment, with issues ranging from the rights of city workers to speak in public to denial of permits for demonstrations.
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#248334 - 06/05/07 03:52 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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By the way, those would be civil cases, not prosecutuions. Rudy never tried to send anyone to jail for making movies, painting or anything else.
Whew, that's a relief!
http://www.counterpunch.org/rudyart.html
...here's an editorial outburst from the Daily News at the start of this year: "The city is still plagued by 142 pornographic video stores, topless bars and other X-rated businesses - 73 in Manhattan, 42 in Queens, 14 in Brooklyn, nine in the Bronx and four on Staten Island. In the past two years, the Giuliani administration has padlocked dozens of porn shops and dragged their owners into court. But once there, tenacious smutlords and their lawyers have been able to find enough wiggle room in the city's zoning rules to stay in business and continue blighting neighborhoods."
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#248335 - 06/05/07 05:42 PM
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...here's an editorial outburst from the Daily News at the start of this year: "The city is still plagued by 142 pornographic video stores, topless bars and other X-rated businesses - 73 in Manhattan, 42 in Queens, 14 in Brooklyn, nine in the Bronx and four on Staten Island. In the past two years, the Giuliani administration has padlocked dozens of porn shops and dragged their owners into court. But once there, tenacious smutlords and their lawyers have been able to find enough wiggle room in the city's zoning rules to stay in business and continue blighting neighborhoods."
FGFM raises a good point. What does it matter to the industry or the fans whether the authorities proceed civilly or criminally (other than to those who might actually do time.) The net effect is the same: Production Companies, distributors and retailers will be shut down either way. Yes, it would mean that Max (certainly), Jeff and others (potentially) wouldn't have to worry about incarceration. But their livelyhoods would be destroyed, fans left without content and the First Amendment smeared with Rudy's (or another Polwhore's) excrement. These are the stakes.
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#248336 - 06/05/07 05:51 PM
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Isn't that what you lawyer types call "chilling effect?"
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