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#221215 - 02/07/07 01:38 PM
Is It OK To Portray Rape In Porn?
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Porn Jesus
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OK, Alpha Blue Archives has released a box set of old porn loops titled, "The History of Rape." I believe the set contains about 8 hours of old loops and sexploitation scenes from the 1970s. It bills itself as, "The most notorious and shocking series in the history of underground porn." With titles like "Nazi's Revenge," "Rape of the Hitchhikers," and "Terrorized Virgin," I'd tend to agree. Some are pornographic rape/murder scenarios.
Bear in mind it's perfectly legal to portray rape on film. Just the same as it's OK to shoot someone on a TV show and not be accused of actual murder. I've made the point that, in this context, The Lifetime cable channel is more perverse than most pornographers.
But porn is different because the sex act is out in the open...no fade away shots or allusions. I always assumed porn was about arousal, and I frankly don't find much arousing about raping someone. Does ABA get a pass on this? Someone explain.
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#221216 - 02/07/07 01:48 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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#221217 - 02/07/07 01:52 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Tricky one. The rape fantasy is still a big one for some women, but is it acceptable porn for men?
Probably not.
But hard gonzo has blurred the lines over the last few years with forced gagging, slapping etc.
Where do you draw the line between fantasy porn rape and a whore being mouth-raped by 20 convicts on film?
I don't get turned on by rape scenes. Nor does my parole officer.
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#221218 - 02/07/07 02:18 PM
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Porn Jesus
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The only one I have is "Expensive Tastes" and they "ruin" the scene since it is implied Joey Silvera was being raped by a fag [who later turns out to be his girlfriend]. DEFINITE WOOD KILL! And, of course they follow the "Hayes code" and bad things happen to the bad people.
IF ITS SCRIPTED, I think if you can do it in a regular film, you can do it graphically in an adult film. So, if you wanted you could film a graphic "Scarlett rape" scene from "Gone with the Wind", etc. But, I think it has to have context - and most of the 70s/early 80s rape scenes have context.
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#221219 - 02/07/07 02:19 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 09/11/06
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"The Sopranos" did a very powerful episode on the topic a few years back, and of course we now have a film starring 12-year-old Dakota Fanning being raped, so legally I'd think there is a tough road to climb.
I've seen various porn scenes be called, essentially, rape on camera. Max claims his scenes are all a setup, and I'll believe him, but I've seen plenty of non-Max scenes, especially Internet-only, where the talent objects pretty strenuously to what is going on.
Has anyone ever rescinded a model release? Is there a legal avenue to pursue in that area?
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#221220 - 02/07/07 02:21 PM
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#221222 - 02/07/07 02:55 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 02/21/05
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OK, Alpha Blue Archives has released a box set of old porn loops titled, "The History of Rape." I believe the set contains about 8 hours of old loops and sexploitation scenes from the 1970s. It bills itself as, "The most notorious and shocking series in the history of underground porn." With titles like "Nazi's Revenge," "Rape of the Hitchhikers," and "Terrorized Virgin," I'd tend to agree. Some are pornographic rape/murder scenarios.
Bear in mind it's perfectly legal to portray rape on film. Just the same as it's OK to shoot someone on a TV show and not be accused of actual murder. I've made the point that, in this context, The Lifetime cable channel is more perverse than most pornographers.
But porn is different because the sex act is out in the open...no fade away shots or allusions. I always assumed porn was about arousal, and I frankly don't find much arousing about raping someone. Does ABA get a pass on this? Someone explain.
Good job Shirley, this one makes me think.
I don't think that I could get off over it - it certainly isn't something that would/should cultivate ones soul - mine anyway. But I have to be honest and say that it does somehow pique my interest. Maybe because I've never exposed myself to this specific genre before. Or maybe because I've been so uninterested in porn recently, getting my drive back this week I've been looking for something more edgy.
Does ABA get a pass? I say yes. What makes censoring this different from censoring anything else? What right do I have to judge what gets others off? And considering that the end-result is the same, what difference is there whether it's acted out clothed or nude? Some would say that acting out or viewing fantasy situations regardless of how perverse can actually help people to cope with real life situations and/or stress.
Don't step on my toes, I won't crush the shit out of yours - I hope others will be open enough to think about that before making rash statements/choices. Either way, discussions like this are good food for the soul.
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#221223 - 02/07/07 03:03 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 09/11/06
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That cover shot, with the talent looking into the camera, makes me suspect that this scene isn't much different from any other.
I've seen a lot of more recent scenes with a setup featuring someone wearing a mask and using a gun, which then let the viewer off of the hook at some point by "revealing" that this is just a role-playing scenario for the couple. Ashlyn Gere did a scene like this where the (toy) gun is inserted into her mouth before we learn that her hubby is just playing (cue "The Sopranos": "You let him hold a gun to your head? I thought you were a feminist?" "Well, usually he takes the clip out")
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#221224 - 02/07/07 03:08 PM
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 08/25/06
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OK, Alpha Blue Archives has released a box set of old porn loops titled, "The History of Rape." I believe the set contains about 8 hours of old loops and sexploitation scenes from the 1970s. It bills itself as, "The most notorious and shocking series in the history of underground porn." With titles like "Nazi's Revenge," "Rape of the Hitchhikers," and "Terrorized Virgin," I'd tend to agree. Some are pornographic rape/murder scenarios.
Bear in mind it's perfectly legal to portray rape on film. Just the same as it's OK to shoot someone on a TV show and not be accused of actual murder. I've made the point that, in this context, The Lifetime cable channel is more perverse than most pornographers.
But porn is different because the sex act is out in the open...no fade away shots or allusions. I always assumed porn was about arousal, and I frankly don't find much arousing about raping someone. Does ABA get a pass on this? Someone explain.
This is an extremely interesting post und thread. It is important anmd should play itself out. Willie's righteous indignation is sincere no doubt, but on another level it exposes certain things. Rape. Depicting rape. Pushing whores beyond their limit. Lights. Camera. Action. All lines converge here. Both boards. Both worlds. Media. Life. Old world and news. I'm walking on air and stupid. You faggets work it out. Balding Oragutan rulezzzz.   
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#221231 - 02/07/07 04:25 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/12/05
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#221234 - 02/07/07 07:19 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 02/21/05
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As to buying it, fork over $149 to ABA and it's yours.
As to the quality, these are old 70s loops rescued from God knows where, some have no sound and are all probably shot on 16mm. Some have stood the test of time better than others.
I'm not talking about whores getting fucked in the ass when the only signed up to get fucked in the mouth. These loops are all depictions of women being sodmoized and killed, obviously against their will. There have been plenty of well-known rape and rape/murder scenes in film over the years, no one is questioning anyone's right to produce it. Just about all of Wes Craven's Last House on the Left is about rape and torture. The Linda Blair toilet plunger rape scene in Born Innocent is a ::cough cough:: classic.
The only justification I can see for this is as a cinematic study. "Look what smutty shit we smutty smutpeddlers dreamt up in the 70s." Calling this porn is like calling Addio Zio Tom a documentary. IMHO.
I never heard of Wes Craven, maybe he's more my speed - thanks for the tip.
Well Shirley, it looks like we're in somewhat of an agreement. I don't get off by watching murder, simulated or otherwise, definately not when it's in porn. I still have issue with using terms like "cinematic study" as justification, as loosely used as it might be. IMHO, that's defining an unwarranted classification on what others might deem as art. I don't want to over-analyze this, I'm just making the point that as long as it's within the law, I try to keep my mind as open as possible. Maybe I'm speaking selfishly, fearful that "those" that are classified as such might somehow become ligislated - against my favor.
As fucked as loopnode's response is, somehow I have to agree.
Good topic.
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#221235 - 02/07/07 07:37 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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Is It OK To Portray Rape In Porn?
in europe, sure
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#221238 - 02/07/07 11:25 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 01/23/07
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Is it ok to portray rape on film? I don't know. I recall a DVD my boyfriend and I rented once. It was a compilation. The third scene was Kristi Myst (Extreme Associates, I'm guessing) as a babysitter raped by two intruders with a soundbite of a baby crying in the background. My boyfriend went limp immediately and I felt nauseous, so we turned it off.
Compare that with a critically acclaimed independent movie called Irreversible. In it, Monica Belluci's character is brutally raped in a continuous-shot scene that lasts a full eight minutes. And when I say brutally, I mean totally and utterly horrifying, to the point where I still have a hard time walking in an underpass late at night.
I'm sure there are people who would and have jerk(ed) off to Monica Belluci getting assraped until she bleeds and then goes into a coma when her face is pulverized until it caves in. But people call Irreversible "art" while they denounce Extreme Associates as obscenity. Why? Is it the viewer's reaction that makes the difference, or is it the creator's intent?
Fuck, that's deep. I'm gonna go pack a bowl now.
Hmm... I'll have to check that movie out.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with simulated rape.It is a turn on for me. Probably because it's one of those taboo things that is looked down upon. As long as it is "fake" and the actors are consenting, than have at it I say. Rape IRL is a deplorable thing. When it's simulated in porn, it's just kinky 
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#221240 - 02/08/07 12:20 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/16/06
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The movie "Irreversable" was praised by critics because of the way it was put together (the movie unfolding in reverse, it's use of camera movement, and lastly it's sound track - scientifically designed to cause mental trauma for viewers of this film). The rape scene, as described by other posters on here, was as brutal and graphic as described, but because of this scene, the film was largely panned. A good watch for "artfilm" lovers. But quite nerve shattering on all fronts.... Goddamn, I have too much time on my hands to actually know all this shit.
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#221243 - 02/16/07 02:53 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 03/06/06
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Pornography is here to depict fantasy, and most things people don't or can't do in real life. Just like we can't all fuck Angelina Jolie, or give a girl a bukakke...some people have rape fantasies. A LOT of women have rape fantasies, and I'm sure as many men dream of dominating a woman in the same manner. IN MY OPINION, it is okay to portray rape in porn. Just like it's okay to portray bondage, domination, double penetration, gang-bangs, etc. I draw the line at child porn, but there are plenty of producers out there putting their models in pigtails and school-girl skirts.
Porn, like the regular film industry, is all about fantasy. And who are we, as producers, to judge what turns some people on? Esp. when that's how we pay our bills...
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#221244 - 02/16/07 06:06 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Pornography is here to depict fantasy, and most things people don't or can't do in real life. Just like we can't all fuck Angelina Jolie, or give a girl a bukakke...some people have rape fantasies. A LOT of women have rape fantasies, and I'm sure as many men dream of dominating a woman in the same manner. IN MY OPINION, it is okay to portray rape in porn. Just like it's okay to portray bondage, domination, double penetration, gang-bangs, etc. I draw the line at child porn, but there are plenty of producers out there putting their models in pigtails and school-girl skirts.
Porn, like the regular film industry, is all about fantasy. And who are we, as producers, to judge what turns some people on? Esp. when that's how we pay our bills...
Wow, not only is this a clear, intelligent well expressed train of thought, but its fucking HOTT too!
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#221247 - 02/16/07 06:53 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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#221248 - 02/16/07 07:15 AM
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#221249 - 02/18/07 07:41 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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flattery will get you (almost) everywhere, burg 
No anal, then Burg. 
too bad my ass (and the rest of me) is spoken for 
Yeah, well i dont want to "speak" to your ass, I'm just content to be your friend and secretly lust after you from afar....I feel compelled to tell the XPT community that in addition to being really fucking cool, Robbye has an awesome Rack too!  If I were her child I would breast feed until i was 16 years old. Seriously, she blows away many porn chicks in that area....
i'd like to thank....dr. garth fisher, for the implants and the surgery. my ex-husband, for pressuring me to get my implants, b/c he was fascinated by them. and my parents, who with the proper genes, gave me great shape to fill with silicone in the effort to reach prono perfection boobaliciousness...
now where the fuck can i go find a bra to fit this shit?????
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#221250 - 02/19/07 09:04 AM
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flattery will get you (almost) everywhere, burg
No anal, then Burg.
too bad my ass (and the rest of me) is spoken for
Yeah, well i dont want to "speak" to your ass, I'm just content to be your friend and secretly lust after you from afar....I feel compelled to tell the XPT community that in addition to being really fucking cool, Robbye has an awesome Rack too! If I were her child I would breast feed until i was 16 years old. Seriously, she blows away many porn chicks in that area....
i'd like to thank....dr. garth fisher, for the implants and the surgery. my ex-husband, for pressuring me to get my implants, b/c he was fascinated by them. and my parents, who with the proper genes, gave me great shape to fill with silicone in the effort to reach prono perfection boobaliciousness...
now where the fuck can i go find a bra to fit this shit?????
Does this help....
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#221251 - 02/19/07 10:46 AM
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Porn Jesus
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You sick bastard! How can you post crime scene photos from Anna Nicole's death?!
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#221253 - 02/23/07 03:47 PM
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Bukkake Boy
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Pornography is here to depict fantasy, and most things people don't or can't do in real life. Just like we can't all fuck Angelina Jolie, or give a girl a bukakke...
I've always found the "porn is fantasy" defense to be rather flimsy. In mainstream movies and television, we know that it's all acting, prosthetics, and CGI. We all agree, for example, that the kid in Idaho who burned his dick off after deciding to renact a scene from American Pie was a dumbass, and it's best that he removed himself from the world's genetic pool entirely.
But porn isn't faked (okay, well, there's the pina colada mixture...). For most adolescents, porn is their first experience of sex. It doesn't come with a disclaimer. It doesn't say "warning - don't try this at home". How or why would the average fourteen-year-old boy think that porn wasn't an accurate depiction of sex? Why would he not decide to then go practice his new porno poses, dialogue, and general expectations on his girlfriend?
It's not just teenage boys who mimick what they see in porn, either. Take a look at this first-person escort blog and her account of a bad date:
http://collegecallgirl.blogspot.com/2007/02/bad-and-ugly.html
Sounds a lot like he'd been watching a great deal of Animal Trainer, don't it.
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#221254 - 02/23/07 04:01 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Pinipmutant, I agree with the spirit of what you say, but the downside is that you can't legislate against stupidity.
For most people, porn is probably fantasy and they don't try to reenact what they see on-screen with their partners or items of household furniture. But a small majority may. It's the old argument used around the world whenever a psycho or serial killer is found to have a large porn stash: "Ban it! Ban it!" Problem is, how else is a psycho or serial killer going to get his jollies? Normal interaction with other members of the human race?
The porn is fantasy element comes into play when you watch 99.8 per cent of adult material produced right now. Aside from serious amateur stuff shot at home by couples, most of it features ridiculous positions that no one can get in to without serious gym time.
If you take a longer view and suggest that elements of porn are unacceptable, you end up in a huge argument about whether Vivid is okay and Rob Black should be in jail, and whether Gonzales will then pursue all the vanilla companies.
You can't legislate in favor of morons. If we did, there would be no cars, no guns, no pretzels... Unfortunately, at the same time, the morons are the ones who garner the publicity. We can't win.
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#221255 - 02/23/07 04:23 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#221256 - 02/23/07 05:12 PM
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Bukkake Boy
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For most people, porn is probably fantasy and they don't try to reenact what they see on-screen with their partners or items of household furniture. But a small majority may.
I disagree. I worked as an escort for two and a half years, and I was a stripper for one year before that. So, one could say that I was on the front lines of America's sexual tastes. A majority of men who see escorts try to reenact what they see in porn (dudes, cut the dry finger in the ass thing out - ouch! Ever heard of lube?!). I have been in a monogamous relationship since I quit more than a year ago, and I never had much sex outside of work, so I'm not in a position to say what it's like for civilian women and girls.
I do agree with you that legislating people's sexual tastes would be far worse than the situation we have now. The only answer is education. If Americans were less uptight about sex, we could actually talk about things like fantasies, respecting sexual boundaries, and learning to listen to our partners' cues in high school health classes. But ironically, it's because we're so fucking uptight that gross-out porn proliferates. If we weren't a nation of God-fearing evangelicals, you can bet that porn sales would be a fraction of what they are now.
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#221258 - 02/23/07 06:49 PM
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#221259 - 02/23/07 07:52 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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For most people, porn is probably fantasy and they don't try to reenact what they see on-screen with their partners or items of household furniture. But a small majority may.
I disagree. I worked as an escort for two and a half years, and I was a stripper for one year before that. So, one could say that I was on the front lines of America's sexual tastes. A majority of men who see escorts try to reenact what they see in porn (dudes, cut the dry finger in the ass thing out - ouch! Ever heard of lube?!). I have been in a monogamous relationship since I quit more than a year ago, and I never had much sex outside of work, so I'm not in a position to say what it's like for civilian women and girls.
Well you said it yourself, you're not in a position to say what it's like for civilians. The experiences of a sex worker are an extremely poor measure from which to draw any general conclusions on sexual tastes. Firstly, your sample is skewed - the minority of the male population who opt to pay for sex can't be taken as representative of men in general. But perhaps more crucially, the exchange of money changes the nature of the act itself.
I've never paid for sex, but on occasion I've been tempted. My outlook is libertarian, so I have no moral objections. What stopped me? Well, I figure it's really only the psychological aspects that make sex so much better than jerking off, and so many of them are voided by payment. That feeling of privilege at getting something that can't be bought; that this girl has chosen to give herself to you, that she digs you as much as you dig her. No amount of pretending can make up for this; there just isn't a romantic way to hand over the cash. To me, the experience would surely feel utterly empty. All that would be left is pure caveman fuck-that-bitch-in-the-ass lust.
So, if one day I did find that my need for relief overcame my qualms, I know what I'd do. I'd find the filthiest whore possible and fuck the shit outta her every-which-way. At least then I'd be getting something real - genuine perverted sex has gotta beat fake intimacy.
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#221260 - 02/23/07 08:24 PM
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Bukkake Boy
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Firstly, your sample is skewed - the minority of the male population who opt to pay for sex can't be taken as representative of men in general.
It's not a minority. Not even close. I'm surprised you'd say it is - it's usually women who are clueless as to how many men indulge in paid sex and aren't one-offs. Have a look at the Alexa rating of www.theeroticreview.com sometime.
It's also funny that you should say that there's no "romantic way to hand over the paid cash" - not funny in the sense that you're wrong or anything, but funny because delivering the illusion of romance is precisely what most escorts are paid to do. A majority of clients expect escorts to kiss them, for example, and the more convincingly an escort can feign attraction for her client, the more in demand she finds herself, and the higher her hourly rate.
But I digress, and I'd better quit before I end up in the penalty box.
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#221261 - 02/23/07 09:23 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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Firstly, your sample is skewed - the minority of the male population who opt to pay for sex can't be taken as representative of men in general.
It's not a minority. Not even close. I'm surprised you'd say it is - it's usually women who are clueless as to how many men indulge in paid sex and aren't one-offs.
I'd be really interested to see your source for this. More than 50% of men pay for sex? No way. Most sources I've seen put it about 10%. Of course this is a huge number, but it's still an unrepresentative minority.
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It's also funny that you should say that there's no "romantic way to hand over the paid cash" - not funny in the sense that you're wrong or anything, but funny because delivering the illusion of romance is precisely what most escorts are paid to do. A majority of clients expect escorts to kiss them, for example, and the more convincingly an escort can feign attraction for her client, the more in demand she finds herself, and the higher her hourly rate.
I think the popularity of the GFE is because the better an actress the girl is, the more it takes the client's mind off the fakeness of the whole situation. I personally would find it futile, evidently these guys don't. But as you said originally, they also want porno-style fucking - something you don't get from a typical girlfriend. Do you believe they'd be just the same with a civilian girlfriend? Don't you think that the fact that they are paying for it has some influence on this? The fact that they can enact the fantasy with an escort, and she will pretend to like it?
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But I digress, and I'd better quit before I end up in the penalty box.
Eh? Your perspective makes you one of the more interesting poster here.
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#221262 - 02/23/07 10:21 PM
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There are absolutely no laws on the books anywhere that prohibit protraying rape on film... either in the mainstream or in pornography. Yet the industry has largely repudiated rape scenes to avoid the dreaded obscenity charges that have been lobbed at Porn Valley like RPGs since the Meese Commission. A mainstream movie like The Accused can contain a graphic and disturbing rape scene, and actually receive praise for its gritty realism. And no one would think of labeling it "obscenity" because, regardless of the content, the scene clearly wasn't conceived in an attempt to arouse the viewer. The same goes for movies like Irreversible or Prince of Tides... which goes so far as to protray children getting raped. As is always the case, it isn't content that worries the govt. or deluded social progressives... it's intent . As with the case of child modeling sites , this is yet another example of the state attempting to punish "bad thoughts". You're allowed to show a woman getting brutally raped... just don't enjoy it too much! But how does one draw the line between "good rape scenes" and bad ones? Years ago I worked in a small local video store that specialized in foreign and indie films. It was a favorite of the local college kids and pretentious hipsters. One of the films we carried was a low-budget French indie called "Baise-Moi" that featured graphic rape scenes ( including penetration shots ), and actually starred a couple of c-list French pornstars ( Raffaëla Anderson and Karen Lancaume ). What made this movie "art" and not simply high-brow porn? And for that matter, why isn't porn art? [ But that's a whole other thread. ] The point is many, if not most people, have rape fantasies... and for 99% of those people, fantasy is all it is. They can make a distinction between simulating acts of degradation and violence for the purposes of arousal... and actually hurting someone. So saying this sort of content should be censored based on the actions of a few fucked-up social defectives, is like banning alcohol 'cuz a few dozen frat kids drink themselves to death every year. And regulation is one of the reasons young, impressionable kids shouldn't be watching porn in the first place ( Although imho, viewing acts of hardcore sex isn't nearly as obscene as the free-for-all violence that most kids are allowed to watch ). I'd love to see more camera-wielding perverts step up and tackle hardcore content without fear of reprisal. But the hard, cold realities of the business end of things will scare producers and directors away from anything that even smells of non-consentual sex until the American public is grown-up enough to elect an administration that will treat them like grown-ups. Oh well... I still have my copy of Taxi Girls!  
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#221263 - 02/23/07 11:01 PM
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flattery will get you (almost) everywhere, burg
No anal, then Burg.
too bad my ass (and the rest of me) is spoken for
Yeah, well i dont want to "speak" to your ass, I'm just content to be your friend and secretly lust after you from afar....I feel compelled to tell the XPT community that in addition to being really fucking cool, Robbye has an awesome Rack too! If I were her child I would breast feed until i was 16 years old. Seriously, she blows away many porn chicks in that area....
i'd like to thank....dr. garth fisher, for the implants and the surgery. my ex-husband, for pressuring me to get my implants, b/c he was fascinated by them. and my parents, who with the proper genes, gave me great shape to fill with silicone in the effort to reach prono perfection boobaliciousness...
now where the fuck can i go find a bra to fit this shit?????
One thing for sure Trinity.. you'll never have to worry about anyone wanting to rape you.. In fact I caught that video with you and Penny Flame while you brag about cheating on your husband and then being asked to leave so that the photographers could take solo pictures of the cute girl on the red carpet. 
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#221264 - 02/24/07 02:15 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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flattery will get you (almost) everywhere, burg
No anal, then Burg.
too bad my ass (and the rest of me) is spoken for
Yeah, well i dont want to "speak" to your ass, I'm just content to be your friend and secretly lust after you from afar....I feel compelled to tell the XPT community that in addition to being really fucking cool, Robbye has an awesome Rack too! If I were her child I would breast feed until i was 16 years old. Seriously, she blows away many porn chicks in that area....
i'd like to thank....dr. garth fisher, for the implants and the surgery. my ex-husband, for pressuring me to get my implants, b/c he was fascinated by them. and my parents, who with the proper genes, gave me great shape to fill with silicone in the effort to reach prono perfection boobaliciousness...
now where the fuck can i go find a bra to fit this shit?????
One thing for sure Trinity.. you'll never have to worry about anyone wanting to rape you.. In fact I caught that video with you and Penny Flame while you brag about cheating on your husband and then being asked to leave so that the photographers could take solo pictures of the cute girl on the red carpet.
it's not really my job to be cute. and i agree, my behavior on the red carpet was fucked up. looking back at it, i wince and repeatedly kick myself. like i do my marriage. and most of my appearances in public. but, while it's providing winners like **YOU** with entertainment, then i am satisfied.
and yes, penny flame is way cuter than me. which is why she fucks on film, and i stay behind closed doors with my boyfriend.
who is happy with me the way i am. i don't need your approval.
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#221265 - 02/24/07 01:20 PM
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flattery will get you (almost) everywhere, burg
No anal, then Burg.
too bad my ass (and the rest of me) is spoken for
Yeah, well i dont want to "speak" to your ass, I'm just content to be your friend and secretly lust after you from afar....I feel compelled to tell the XPT community that in addition to being really fucking cool, Robbye has an awesome Rack too! If I were her child I would breast feed until i was 16 years old. Seriously, she blows away many porn chicks in that area....
i'd like to thank....dr. garth fisher, for the implants and the surgery. my ex-husband, for pressuring me to get my implants, b/c he was fascinated by them. and my parents, who with the proper genes, gave me great shape to fill with silicone in the effort to reach prono perfection boobaliciousness...
now where the fuck can i go find a bra to fit this shit?????
One thing for sure Trinity.. you'll never have to worry about anyone wanting to rape you.. In fact I caught that video with you and Penny Flame while you brag about cheating on your husband and then being asked to leave so that the photographers could take solo pictures of the cute girl on the red carpet.
it's not really my job to be cute. and i agree, my behavior on the red carpet was fucked up. looking back at it, i wince and repeatedly kick myself. like i do my marriage. and most of my appearances in public. but, while it's providing winners like **YOU** with entertainment, then i am satisfied.
and yes, penny flame is way cuter than me. which is why she fucks on film, and i stay behind closed doors with my boyfriend.
who is happy with me the way i am. i don't need your approval.
Its a good thing its not your job to be cute because Donald would have said "YOUR FIRED". and you should have been embarassed for your obnoxious behaviour on the red carpet. It is obvious your boyfriend doesnt pay enough attention to you or you wouldnt be trying so hard to get it hanging out on the redcarpet with porn sluts. By the way all I have read is how sober you claim to be and it was painfully obvious that you were so drunk and lame. Why lie about your sobriety?
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#221266 - 02/24/07 03:29 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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hey, i'm going to go shave my head tonight, wanna follow? after, i'm getting some tatts.
i am not so sober. it's a process i haven't quite mastered. how am i "lying" while drinking in everyone's face at a convention? it's NOT SO MUCH a lie that i have tried many times in the past to stop.
yes, i keep trying. and, since you ask...the boyfriend is in iraq. the reason for the jump is him leaving. and now, let's grab onto my addictions and run with them, they are great entertainment. like me on the red carpet you seem to be obsessed with. aren't there hotter messes to think about?
i know i look like shit, feel like shit...but how does it actually feel to BE SHIT?
you tell me.
oh, and it's "YOU'RE FIRED." i can handle proper spelling, even drunk.
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#221267 - 02/24/07 09:28 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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#221269 - 02/25/07 10:27 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 02/14/07
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Given that they show rape - as well as murder - in regular films and on TV even, the real question isn't whether it's okay to show rape, but whether it's okay to be entertained by it. In fact, given that the rapes in movies like "The Accused" are a part of the unfolding drama and thus a part of our entertainment in some sense, the question is even more pointed - is it acceptable to derive sexual pleasure from portrayals of rape?
The whole thing treads a fine, but possibly imaginary, line. We can experience catharsis from watching it and having sympathy for the victim, but we can't be aroused by it? I guess it's because we assume arousal has something to do with approval - if something arouses us, we want it to happen, or so the reasoning goes. So, if we're turned on by a rape scene, we must approve of or want rape to occur on some level... or so goes the argument against such things.
I'm not so sure. I think there's a place for channeling our dark impulses in a healthy fashion. We're not robots, we're animals - deep down in the creepy, unevolved portions of our brains, we WANT to brain the rival male, grab the attractive mate, and have our way with her. A real part of the human mind WANTS to do things that our society classes as "evil" on some level. But we know we can't. And we don't "really" want to, not on a conscious level. Should we be so skittish about relieving the subconscious tension in a way that doesn't hurt anyone? Enh... it's hard to say, but I'm inclined toward "why not?"
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#221270 - 02/25/07 11:25 AM
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Interesting, but you're forgetting one important thing: context. The rape in The Accused is the catalyst which drives the story.
Willie's post is about rape in porn, where the rape is in itself supposed to be arousing. I don't think most rapes portrayed in mainstream releases are generally intended to arouse the audience sexually.
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#221271 - 02/25/07 04:21 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Conky - Exactly what I was driving at; I apologize if I wasn't clear. The point is, while the rape in the Accused is the catalyst that drives the story, it's not just something that occurs offscreen. The rape scene itself is meant to have dramatic tension, is meant to elicit *something* from us as viewers. Clearly not *pleasure*, of course, not in a sexual sense, but there IS a kind of "pleasure" or "enjoyment" from watching a well acted, dramatic scene, isn't there? There is certainly a context in which the question, "Did you think the rape scene from the Accused was good?" is neither offensive nor surprising. I think it WAS a good scene, in as much as the acting and the direction were dead on. Scenes in movies that are difficult to watch for reasons of the content they portray are often impossible not to watch for the way in which it is portrayed. It's possible to have an intellectual, even an aesthetic, appreciation for a scene that depicts a horrible act.
But it appears to cross a line when we allow ourselves a more visceral enjoyment of it. Is it because rape is sexually charged to begin with? I know the line for a long time has been that rape is a power thing, not a sex thing, but there's a lot of dissenting scholarship out there that points out there's a lot of ways to establish dominance over a victim and that while rape may be ALSO about power, it cannot be accurately understood unless viewed as a sexual act as well. So maybe the *sexual* enjoyment of a rape scene is objectionable because it's the *sexual* nature of the act that is itself so disturbing. I mean, forcing someone to the ground and preventing them from moving or escaping is a crime, but a much, much lesser one than rape. The addition of the sexual element defines the crime. Is the idea that only a rapist - or potential rapist - could find rape arousing?
If that's the objection, I think it's clearly wrong. Lots of people - male and female - have rape fantasies and extremely few of them actually ever rape anyone. Other than that, I'm not sure what the exact objection is to taking pleasure in fantasy rape scenes.
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#221272 - 02/25/07 04:34 PM
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I'd be really interested to see your source for this. More than 50% of men pay for sex? No way. Most sources I've seen put it about 10%. Of course this is a huge number, but it's still an unrepresentative minority.
Because it's an illegal business, and because men seldom accurately self-report when polled on this matter, there's just no way to know. My best guess would be somewhere in the avenue of 20-25%.
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I think the popularity of the GFE is because the better an actress the girl is, the more it takes the client's mind off the fakeness of the whole situation.
That's one (very cynical) explanation for it and it could be correct. I think it's more to do with loneliness and lack of affection. There's a lot of that going around, particularly in marriages.
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But as you said originally, they also want porno-style fucking - something you don't get from a typical girlfriend. Do you believe they'd be just the same with a civilian girlfriend? Don't you think that the fact that they are paying for it has some influence on this? The fact that they can enact the fantasy with an escort, and she will pretend to like it?
Depends on what you mean by "porno-style fucking". Plenty of girlfriends like anal sex and facials. It's wives who don't. I used to believe that any male inconsiderate enough to shove a dry finger into the ass of an escort and then try to force it in her mouth probably doesn't have the social skills to get a girlfriend, but I've had very physically attractive clients do exactly that to me, so you may be correct.
But I'm the wrong person to ask. I was a whore who expected to be fucked well AND get paid for it. And it worked out sometimes, but increasingly (and I attribute this to porn shaping mens' sexual expectations) it did not. I still find it amazing that so many men don't care to find out what turns their partners on; they want to do it the way they want to do it, and want validation for it. Good sex just doesn't work that way.
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Eh? Your perspective makes you one of the more interesting poster here.
I thought going off-topic was bad, but from what's happened in this thread, when in Rome...
I liked "Baise-Moi" BTW. It's a pity Karen Launcaume offed herself.
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#221273 - 02/25/07 06:22 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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I still find it amazing that so many men don't care to find out what turns their partners on; they want to do it the way they want to do it, and want validation for it. Good sex just doesn't work that way.
From what I've been told by the women gracious enough to sleep with me, that's hardly restricted to men who visit paid sex workers. It's apparently the norm for men everywhere. But then again, when you really think about, there are women who are the same way. It may not be as apparent, since men are generally easier to please, but I've known more than one woman who had one position she liked, didn't do oral, only did it with the lights off, etc etc, with no attempt to find out whether I any of this stuff was an issue for my enjoyment or whether, indeed, her management style itself was a problem. If the insight gleaned from these episodes is that "people are generally selfish shits," well... I think that's been well established. And hardly unique to their sexual behavior.
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#221274 - 02/26/07 03:40 AM
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japanese love their rape porn, otaku rape porn freaks..
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#221276 - 02/27/07 10:19 AM
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But then again, when you really think about, there are women who are the same way. It may not be as apparent, since men are generally easier to please, but I've known more than one woman who had one position she liked, didn't do oral, only did it with the lights off, etc etc, with no attempt to find out whether I any of this stuff was an issue for my enjoyment or whether, indeed, her management style itself was a problem. If the insight gleaned from these episodes is that "people are generally selfish shits," well... I think that's been well established. And hardly unique to their sexual behavior.
Yes, but us broads don't have an entire industry of warm bodies available to satisfy our sexual whims.
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#221279 - 04/02/07 01:07 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Compare that with a critically acclaimed independent movie called Irreversible. In it, Monica Belluci's character is brutally raped in a continuous-shot scene that lasts a full eight minutes. And when I say brutally, I mean totally and utterly horrifying, to the point where I still have a hard time walking in an underpass late at night.
I'm sure there are people who would and have jerk(ed) off to Monica Belluci getting assraped until she bleeds and then goes into a coma when her face is pulverized until it caves in. But people call Irreversible "art" while they denounce Extreme Associates as obscenity. Why? Is it the viewer's reaction that makes the difference, or is it the creator's intent?
Cool! I fount the clip
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#221280 - 04/02/07 09:57 AM
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this has been around for years.
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#221282 - 05/10/08 09:38 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Rape was an everyday part of life during the Roman Empire, and also during the Franco - Prussian War (1870)....FYI. 
and lets not forget the Rape of Nanking
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#221283 - 05/10/08 11:04 AM
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all women once they get out of the "biz" say that they were "raped" at one time or the other......and for most they already had a history of sexual abuse leading up to being where they are today...in porn.....so whats the fucking diff?
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#221284 - 05/11/08 12:22 PM
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#221285 - 05/20/08 02:01 PM
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lots of girls have rape fantasies
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