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#220554 - 02/03/07 06:15 PM Vegas Info and Porn
Da Burglar Offline
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Registered: 01/02/05
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The city is now jumping, Super Bowl Influx is at High Tide, and there is a Cornucopia of Whores, EVERYWHERE! From the High Class well dressed women you see waltzing in through the Doors Of Bellagio or Caesars from The Parking Garage or Main Entrance....to the Amateur, low end Hoobyists, the Mothers/Girlfriends/Babysitters from small towns and suburbia who descend upon Vegas for Huge sporting Events like this because they know horny drunk guys are walking around who will drop 200 bucks for a quickie out in the Van/Car/Suv ... it is actually pretty Hillarious, they are so easy to spot.

Hotel Security is trying to simply maintain a "balance"...discourage the dealmaking and sexual commerce from happening in the middle of the casino floor, or the bathrooms, but also trying to NOT kill the party vibe.

Into this MIX, you may add the influence and presence of the Porn Industry. Have any of you, when you visit Vegas, noticed that many of the tiny "Flyers" and street rags that display the numbers and info for the myriad Escort outcall services have photos on the "literature" that sometimes actually have a pornstar displayed? It's true...in some cases, the literature will go so far as to say "Actual Photo of Entertainer"....of course it doesnt mean the entertainer actually works for them, but hey, when you dick is hard, your 200 bucks is burning a hole in your pocket and the girl (hopefully) is standing right in front of you, chances are you will park your penis in her mouth for a 8 minute express blowjob...

I have seen, so far the following Porn Chicks on the literature floating around this cesspool of a city that is Las Vegas:

Lucy Thai (yes I know she really works here....somewhere)
Jenna Presley
Missy Monroe (not Preggers)
Melissa Lauren
Velicity Von
Lauren Phoenix

I probably missed some...but this is typical Vegas bullshit. I wonder if these chicks know they are being used? Probably not....

Hell, if you go downtown, there is a picture of SAMANTHA STRONG, Porn Legend, outside the decrepitly sentimental Glitter Gulch Strip CLub. Hahaha woe to the old school perv who thinks she works there!
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#220555 - 02/03/07 08:57 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
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Dude out of that list get Melissa Lauren. Just a gut feeling but I bet you get your moneys worth.

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#220556 - 02/03/07 10:22 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
Holly Randall Offline
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Registered: 05/06/05
Posts: 1946
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The city is now jumping, Super Bowl Influx is at High Tide, and there is a Cornucopia of Whores, EVERYWHERE! From the High Class well dressed women you see waltzing in through the Doors Of Bellagio or Caesars from The Parking Garage or Main Entrance....to the Amateur, low end Hoobyists, the Mothers/Girlfriends/Babysitters from small towns and suburbia who descend upon Vegas for Huge sporting Events like this because they know horny drunk guys are walking around who will drop 200 bucks for a quickie out in the Van/Car/Suv ... it is actually pretty Hillarious, they are so easy to spot.

Hotel Security is trying to simply maintain a "balance"...discourage the dealmaking and sexual commerce from happening in the middle of the casino floor, or the bathrooms, but also trying to NOT kill the party vibe.

Into this MIX, you may add the influence and presence of the Porn Industry. Have any of you, when you visit Vegas, noticed that many of the tiny "Flyers" and street rags that display the numbers and info for the myriad Escort outcall services have photos on the "literature" that sometimes actually have a pornstar displayed? It's true...in some cases, the literature will go so far as to say "Actual Photo of Entertainer"....of course it doesnt mean the entertainer actually works for them, but hey, when you dick is hard, your 200 bucks is burning a hole in your pocket and the girl (hopefully) is standing right in front of you, chances are you will park your penis in her mouth for a 8 minute express blowjob...

I have seen, so far the following Porn Chicks on the literature floating around this cesspool of a city that is Las Vegas:

Lucy Thai (yes I know she really works here....somewhere)
Jenna Presley
Missy Monroe (not Preggers)
Melissa Lauren
Velicity Von
Lauren Phoenix

I probably missed some...but this is typical Vegas bullshit. I wonder if these chicks know they are being used? Probably not....

Hell, if you go downtown, there is a picture of SAMANTHA STRONG, Porn Legend, outside the decrepitly sentimental Glitter Gulch Strip CLub. Hahaha woe to the old school perv who thinks she works there!




A lot of that is bullshit-- actually I've noticed that they often use our pictures, and many of them are European girls that I know for a fact haven't been back to the States in years. I figure it's a baiting technique: "No, that particular one isn't available, but we have a lovely blonde who looks just like her..."
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#220557 - 02/04/07 08:18 AM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
pornlaw Offline
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Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 459
Loc: California
Its not only escort services that are now using pics of pornstars to promote their businesses. There's a promoter from LA that partnered up with a rather large well known live musical venue in Las Vegas for an AVN after party that used pics of 50+ different stars to promote the party.

I watched a crowd of people gather to come meet and greet their favorite star and really none of the girls probably even knew that their picture had been used to promote the party. The photos that were used were also stolen from photographers.

I'm about to file in Los Angeles numerous misappropriation of likeness claims for all of my clients that were on the flyer, if the live musical venue and the hotel/casino they are located in doesnt come back with acceptable settlement terms.

People think that just because a woman is in this business that she doesnt mind being used for advertising. The answer is probably not, but (1) at least pay her something and (2) let her know before you do it so she can make the decision to have her image and/or name affliated with your party/escort service/product.

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#220558 - 02/04/07 09:25 AM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
Conky Offline
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Registered: 11/04/06
Posts: 4203
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I'd be surprised if any of the people who use porn star images for their flyers bought them from a legitimate source. I know of one photographer friend who walked past a chick wearing a t-shirt with a picture he recognized. He'd shot it, but had never licensed it to be used. Turned out an enterprising shop owner had just downloaded it and started making t-shirts out of it.

Your comment:
"People think that just because a woman is in this business that she doesnt mind being used for advertising. The answer is probably not, but (1) at least pay her something and (2) let her know before you do it so she can make the decision to have her image and/or name affliated with your party/escort service/product."

This is interesting to me. You seem to be siding with the performer, rather than the copyright owner who shot the pictures. How many porn stars actually own their own image rights? Not many, I wouldn't have thought. Seems a strange application of the law to me; to argue defamation or misappropriation rather than a simple cut and dried copyright theft case.

Interesting.
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#220559 - 02/04/07 10:50 AM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
Da Burglar Offline
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Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 5750
Loc: ATLANTIC CITY
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A lot of that is bullshit-- actually I've noticed that they often use our pictures, and many of them are European girls that I know for a fact haven't been back to the States in years. I figure it's a baiting technique: "No, that particular one isn't available, but we have a lovely blonde who looks just like her..."






Correct Holly, very astute of you to conclude this...it is exactly the type of marketing/bullshit techniques used by most "Impulse Buying" Industries and Businesses. Use a "FANTASTIC LOOKING" picture, image or display that casts your product or service in overly positive light to increase the chance the customer in a moment of vulnerability impulsively buys whatever it is you are selling...

PORN, and sex in general, are almost exclusively Impulse driven in terms of purchasing decision making goes....Look at the Websites of Porn Companies and the Box/Dvd Covers (including....*gasp shock* Suze Randall Brand stuff) ... It stands to reason that Escort Companies would practice the same thing.

Of course, none of this means anything in the long run from the girls' perspective who keep getting their pictures and images hijacked and plastered on random flyers and what not....I mean, isnt that to be expected for a porn starlet, when the girls pretty much sign away their rights when they agree to get paid to do the shoot in the first place?

I also think of it in terms of another impulse buy....food, especially fast food restaurants.....anyone ever notice how the pictures on menus, or above the counter, never resembles what you actually get in reality???

I always think of the scene from "Falling Down" with Michael Douglas, where he rants about his Burger not looking like the picture above the Cash Register....

Anyway, speaking of acting Impulsively...... "How's it Going Otherwise Holly?" I am sure I speak for many when I say I hope things are going well with you today...
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#220560 - 02/04/07 12:13 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
Uomo Grassissimo!! Offline
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Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
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This is interesting to me. You seem to be siding with the performer, rather than the copyright owner who shot the pictures.




Likely Michael's firm only reps the girls involved.
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#220561 - 02/04/07 01:25 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
Conky Offline
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Loc: Bakersfield Plumbing Supplies ...
Sigh.

I was hoping Michael would answer the question himself. I'm intrigued as to whether he's tracked down all the girls himself, over and above the people who actually held the copyright.
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#220562 - 02/04/07 01:52 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
The Ghost Is Toast Offline
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Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
Conky makes a very astute point...if the girl(s) in question have signed a model release, then they have precious little control over where, when and how said image is used.

The people with the real power in this situation will be either a) the photographer (the de facto copyright owner of the image) or b) the publisher/client who has purchased the exclusive usage rights to said image for a period of time, and now finds their investment being compromised.

The models have very little say in usage of their image once they have signed off on the model release...an amateur model could do nothing more than a comparatively tame bikini shoot, but she still runs the same risk as most recognised porn starlets of finding her image being used in a phone sex ad with a caption saying 'I'll drain your balls dry and gargle your thick load in my mouth!', or something along those lines.

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#220563 - 02/04/07 02:09 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
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Registered: 07/30/06
Posts: 1712
Loc: at the end of the longest line
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runs the same risk as most recognised porn starlets of finding her image being used in a phone sex ad with a caption saying 'I'll drain your balls dry and gargle your thick load in my mouth!', or something along those lines.




Or worse, with a penis photoshopped, or just manually cut out of another picture and glued, onto her area making it look like she's a tranny.(I know I saw a phone sex add using an old picture of Chasey Lain with a penis added onto her body advertising a She-Male phone sex line in the back of a Hustler or High Society mag a couple of times)

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#220564 - 02/04/07 02:10 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
Uomo Grassissimo!! Offline
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Sigh.

I was hoping Michael would answer the question himself. I'm intrigued as to whether he's tracked down all the girls himself, over and above the people who actually held the copyright.




No worries, Conky. Michael usually is great at follow-ups.

I think you're CLEARLY right that the copyright holders have the best claim but I was going on Michael's statement:

I'm about to file in Los Angeles numerous misappropriation of likeness claims for all of my clients that were on the flyer.

... and assuming, like his past posts, he was alluding to present clientele.

I'm not an attorney but I would think that Michael's issue may not be over the picture per se but the implication that his client, a known celeb, would attend. Maybe using her "celebrity" to gain profit without her benefit - as opposed the use of a photo to which she has likely has signed away rights.

Or, maybe some of these girls have rights to the photos and I should just shut my fucking trap.

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#220565 - 02/04/07 10:07 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
pornlaw Offline
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Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 459
Loc: California
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Conky makes a very astute point...if the girl(s) in question have signed a model release, then they have precious little control over where, when and how said image is used.





Not true.

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The models have very little say in usage of their image once they have signed off on the model release....




This is only true if the picture was purchased by the party using it. Otherwise, there is a copyright infringement claim as well as a misappropriation of likeness claim.

A quick lesson is that both the photographer and model have claims. The photographer in federal court, IF, they have registered and copyrighted their photo with the copyright office. Mostly likely most photographer's dont do this with every photo. Thus I would rather represent the model on a common law right in state court. Better juries, higher awards/judgements.

The better and easier claim(s) is a misappropriation of likeness/right to publicity for the model. You cant just use someone's image to advertise your goods or services without compensating the model. Its really a slam dunk situation.

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I would think that Michael's issue may not be over the picture per se but the implication that his client, a known celeb, would attend. Maybe using her "celebrity" to gain profit without her benefit




100% correct.

Im just wondering when Christian is going to show up and say the only reason why Im doing this is to have sex with the girls in the photo. The over/under is 8 more responses.

Michael
AdultBizLaw.com
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#220566 - 02/04/07 10:27 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
christianxxx Offline
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Registered: 07/05/05
Posts: 2134
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Quote:

Quote:

Conky makes a very astute point...if the girl(s) in question have signed a model release, then they have precious little control over where, when and how said image is used.





Not true.

Quote:

The models have very little say in usage of their image once they have signed off on the model release....




This is only true if the picture was purchased by the party using it. Otherwise, there is a copyright infringement claim as well as a misappropriation of likeness claim.

A quick lesson is that both the photographer and model have claims. The photographer in federal court, IF, they have registered and copyrighted their photo with the copyright office. Mostly likely most photographer's dont do this with every photo. Thus I would rather represent the model on a common law right in state court. Better juries, higher awards/judgements.

The better and easier claim(s) is a misappropriation of likeness/right to publicity for the model. You cant just use someone's image to advertise your goods or services without compensating the model. Its really a slam dunk situation.

Quote:

I would think that Michael's issue may not be over the picture per se but the implication that his client, a known celeb, would attend. Maybe using her "celebrity" to gain profit without her benefit




100% correct.

Im just wondering when Christian is going to show up and say the only reason why Im doing this is to have sex with the girls in the photo. The over/under is 8 more responses.

Michael
AdultBizLaw.com




michael my friend, we both know you have MORE than your hands full with your current "client".....lol, how is that going by the way? btw, is she paying you?
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#220567 - 02/05/07 12:46 AM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
pornlaw Offline
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Registered: 01/01/06
Posts: 459
Loc: California
Wow, it didnt even take 8 reponses !

Its called a Contingency Fee. In certain cases, my clients dont pay until we either settle their case or obtain a judgement/award after trial. Not all clients pay an hourly fee. But thanks for asking.

Michael
AdultBizLaw.com
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#220568 - 02/05/07 04:07 AM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
Da Burglar Offline
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Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 5750
Loc: ATLANTIC CITY
Hearkening back to the topic of this thread, Vegas, I just witnessed a fight outside Olympic Garden between two strippers, apparently over a customer! Classic shit...the 'customer' was a man in his mid 70s who looked like Benny Hill on Crack. The Bouncers (3 of them) had it broken up in about 30 seconds, but they were clearly hesitant at first because these chicks had pretty sharp nails...I didnt get the info on dollar amounts involved here, but it is clear they were fighting about lap dances given to "Benny" by stripper #1 (5' 6" Blond, small tits, tight bod...one of the few chicks with NON-fake non-balloon boobs) Stripper #2, who claimed Benny as a "regular" stands about 5'4" with large bolt ons and a 1980s tawny Kitaen hairdo. Too bad Luke wasnt here to snap some of his patented pics...

Meanwhile, I discover the cure for super Bowl Windfalls.... 5 dollar Video Poker .... and Bimbos, lotsa Bimbos


Edited by Da Burg....lar (02/05/07 06:34 AM)
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#220569 - 02/05/07 03:51 PM Re: Vegas Info and Porn
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Registered: 01/25/06
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Conky makes a very astute point...if the girl(s) in question have signed a model release, then they have precious little control over where, when and how said image is used.




Depends on the terms of said release, no? Isn't that what got Rick Shameless in so much trouble, at least in part?

Couldn't Moronboy's tranny situation constitute fraud at the very least (w/ Chasey Lain)?
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