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#194467 - 09/26/06 05:24 PM Why Some Whores Fail
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http://www.pornvalleynews.com/home/archives/2006/09/porn_girls_put.html#more

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Why Some Whores Fail
"The industry is set up to squeeze each fresh face like an orange until all the juice is gone and then dump that bitch for the next one."

Mike Grace of Creamer Media writes: Recent events have come to pass which I struggled with immensely, prompting me to write this web log.

We have a country of some 350+ million people, about half of which are women, about 2/3 of which are of age, of which around 1/10 are attractive, of which about 1/100 will go into the adult business.

Do the math and you have about 115,500 women who would be willing to explore the adult business. A business, mind you, which falls top 5 worldwide in terms of gross capital and economic growth (the industry has grown over 1000-fold since the birth of Playboy in Nov of '53).

Having said that, and acknowledging the vast amounts of cash flowing through the industry, why do so many girls fall out as quickly as they come up? And why do many never seize their full pecuniary potential? These questions will be examined, along with others of interest, in the following paragraphs.

First, we have to address the underlining concern in the industry, which is instability of the psyche. What I mean by that is many people in the business come from backgrounds and enviroments that are, well, fucked up. Most often, abuse and drugs are all too commonplace at home, which is no wonder why people would cling to what they know and go into a field that offers similar circumstances.

Second, we have to come to the sad conclusion that the Age of Enlightenment is all but dead. Employing reason as a means of gaining authoritative logic has ceased to exist. Instead, we have replaced fountains of knowledge with glitz, glamour and bling. No longer does being one of mental certitude engender you to the masses. Rather, America's biggest export is celebrity, something that has swallowed whole all remnants of worthy existence. In one large gulp, MTV, E!, VH1, the internet, grocery store ragmags and a few other incestuous sources have eaten what few ties we had to the AoE (Age of Enlightenment) and shit out this foul smelling swill that we call "Pop Culture".

Now this isn't to say that there is no hope for mankind, although said hope is waning for sure, but just look at "famous" people in our past and compare that to now. Who we remember in our past shows quite a bit about where we were as a culture. The fact that people like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Edison are names associated with our history makes me feel proud to be an American. True inventors and pushers of progress. Next century, however, who will we be speaking of? Fat, hillbilly Britney Spears? Whatever queer won American Idol? The mere fact that we, as a culture, would rather be famous than iconic is disturbing and all-together tragic. This notion that being involved in fame, being a part of celebrity, is something of value, has taken what was once the most powerful nation in the world and made us somewhat of a joke, and us the jesters.

This topic has other branches to explore, but let's just stick to the adult biz and see how it pertains to that. Now looking at the issue, it seems rather demonstratively easy to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Take an abused girl from a tough upbringing, give her the comfortability of familiar surroundings, show her pseudo-fame/glam/glitz/celeb, and it's not hard to see why many girls would snuggle up to the life like a warm blanket. The tougher question becomes why do they most often fail to grasp their monetary potential? This is a bit harder to explain.

We must 1st admit to ourselves that most people are, frankly, imbecilic. The level of general stupidity in our country is to a point where 7/10 people aged 18-24 could give last years Americal Idol winner yet only 3/10 could name our Vice President (and isn't it ironic that this survey was done by MTV, a purveyor of trite regurgitation?).

Given that our schools are a sham, the flowerpower generation that most call Ma&Pa are equally burnt out and idiotic, the value of knowledge has plummeted, and we place almost no emphasis on mental growth and stimuation, it doesn't take a Mensa member to see why we're this dumb. What bothers me is why more people aren't up in arms about it. However, once again, that is a branching topic we needn't explore here. Back to the matter at hand, people are stupid, and this stupidity, along with greed and self-indulgence are, I believe, the main culprits behind why many whores struggle to succeed.

To grasp a business model, meaning to understand how it is that one can achieve their potential in the marketplace, takes some consideration. You have to think, plan, delevop, promote and maintain. One would have to study competition and bottom-lines to see what is selling and what is not. You also have to be ahead of the curve in many situations if you wish to stand out from the rest. This takes creative thinking and somewhat abstract thought processes, as coming up with ideas that have yet to see the light of day can be daunting.

Besides the fact that many girls in the industry fail to realize this, there's also the unfortunate fact that even with enlightenment there can be obstacles... such as commitment. You see, building your brand to the point of respectability and financial freedom takes time. There is no instant solution. We live in a NOW culture where if needs aren't met instantaneously, they are often thrown to the side for the next indulgence. This sort of short-sighted, small-minded mentality plagues the industry like none other. Yet, once again, it's easy to see why.

Let me put myself in a porn girl's shoes. Ok, so here I am. I am 18, completely ignorant, ready to make money. I post an ad on some site saying I am looking for work and BAM! A million emails and phone calls shoot my way. So I am at this point overwhelmed, totally google-eyed, and I have no way of deciphering the bullshit from the real deals.

Like most proletariats I am looking for something I can hang my hat on, meaning a company I know or names I've heard of or an agency I can call home. Someone throws out Hustler or Playboy or says they're with such & such agency and, like the moron I am, I bite.

Six months later I am overshot, overexposed, walking bowlegged with a sore ass, and I have little to no money to show for it as I spent it all on whatever the fuck.

How did I get to this place?

Well, simple. The industry is set up to squeeze each fresh face like an orange until all the juice is gone and then dump that bitch for the next one. My agent told me to shoot interracial gangbangs and double vag since he gets more money for that, but like a dolt I figured he was telling me what was best for me, so I went with it. Now I have busted down beef curtains for a pussy and my potential has taken a massive shit on itself. Ouch.

Along the way, if I was more wise to the game, I might have listened to the people who were telling me to keep my shit exclusive to my brand and build around myself with good people surrounding and supporting me. Then again, there is no glitz with that. No glam of which to speak. It's a business at that point, and who wants that? I'd rather be seen at some party with douchebags the legitimate world doesn't acknowledge so I can attempt to fill the void left in my life by unaccepting parents or a boyfriend that dumped me or uncle touchy-feely or my desire for fame or whatever other excuse I can muster.

This pathetic and unseemly form of decadence is exactly why I find it difficult to respect most people in the business, especially the girls. At least many of the men in the biz are taking advantage of the opportunities presented to them, no matter how unscrupulous they may be. Idiocy and skullduggery are none too appealing.

So why am I in the business, you might ask? Well, several reasons.

First, I love sex. It's a basic need and something I take seriously (did you know that the average male lasts 3min!!?? What a bunch of useless tools!).

Second, I love money. Everyone needs to make it and why not make it doing something I love where I can make plenty?

Third, I am lazy. Actual work takes far too much effort and I cannot justify diminishing myself with menial labor.

Lastly, and this may surprise you, but I love women. I was raised by my mom, an only child, as an only child, so we really only had each other. This bond has stuck with me and I have an inherent desire to help women. Extremely rare in the industry, and something I get almost no credit for. The struggle in this is that most girls in the business are so blind to the game that it's like trying to teach physics to a 4th grader... They simply have no comprehension. Hopefully, in time, I will change this a bit.

To conclude this rather lengthy rant, let me say this: IF YOU WANT TO SUCCEED, YOU MUST FIRST UNDERSTAND. This is to say that for ALL the girls out there who want to make it in this industry, you'll have to put down your tits and pick up your brain for a while so you actually understand the business of your choosing. I've done my homework, studied the best avenues of generating revenue, and I can say with the utmost of confidence that EXCLUSIVE BRANDING is the key to pinnacle success.

So why do whores struggle to succeed? Simply put, this concept eludes them. All other reasons are secondary, although they do play a role, to girls failing to grasp this concept. For enlightenment or explanation, questions or comments, please contact me.

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#194468 - 09/26/06 11:21 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
christianxxx Offline
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the chances of any girl in the business reading that.....zero
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#194469 - 09/26/06 11:50 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
Willie D Offline

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Registered: 09/20/05
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I thought Wanker put it very well

Quote:

...Now on to the original topic. Here's what a whore is and its relation to the adult business.


A whore is any girl who fucks for money.


I would say 90% of the girls in the industry hate what they do and fuck only for money.


I would also say that 99% of the girls in the industry hate getting assfucked but do it only for the money.


I would also say that 99% of the girls in the industry have serious issues such as but not limited to previous bouts with rape, incest, molestation, drug abuse, pimp boyfriends, etc.


Most have an IQ of room temperature. Most do not have automobiles. Most do not have bank accounts. Most do not and cannot acquire a credit card. Most squander all their porn earnings almost immediately. Most will end up penniless and return to the business because their job skills relegate them to a lifelong search for a drug dealing sugardaddy or public assistance. Most have complete lack of self-esteem. These are societal problems and cannot be blamed on an adult industry which neither cares or should care.


The fact that I could call a new porn girl a 'fucking whore' and, when I explain myself, they shower me with hugs as I tell them that they should suck as much dick as possible to get ahead tells you alot. Yes, I coach these girls too on how to be the best whore they can be. It's more of a longetivity and monetary issue as opposed to a derogatory one.


Here's an interesting story. I usually have whores running rampant around my abode. When a friend asks me how he can get blown by these whores, I tell them to go up next to them and pull out their peckers. It's the easiest way. Why? These girls are conditioned to suck dick. When there's a dick in front of them, they look like a deer caught in the headlights and don't know what to do. It's instinct for them to suck it until it coats the back of their throats with nut butter.


Now tell me this. Do you think the girls in the industry love what they do? Nearly every scene ends in a facial. Can you really fathom how truly degrading this act really is? Can you really fathom how truly degrading it is to suck off 5 complete strangers and gulp down their ball snot and have to pretend they loved every minute of it? Can you really fathom how truly degrading it is to suck on a dick that's been pulled out of your own asshole which smells like complete shit? They do it for the money and that's what makes them whores.


Let me repeat: THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM WHORES.


I think alot of you forget after watching so many DVDs exactly what the reality is. You fall into a trap of fantasy land thinking these girls love what they do. If there was no paycheck involved, the female talent pool would drop to nothing. They don't do it for the sheer love of it. They get drilled in the asshole, they take a mugfull of cum, they fuck complete strangers, because of one reason only. THEY ARE WHORES.


Get out of fantasyland and really think about it.


WW



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#194470 - 09/27/06 05:48 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
Shawn Reynolds Offline
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Registered: 04/22/04
Posts: 128
Well written article. Thank you.

I won't add my two cents on what I've seen because it's not any different than what was written. But I will see I've been disappointed to see most actresses have no ambition to build an enterprise out of their work. It would almost be suitable to consider them fancy prostitutes. But solicitation is not what is suppose to be going on here.

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#194471 - 09/28/06 02:38 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
stacy_sinn Offline
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Registered: 09/11/05
Posts: 12
I want to thank you for your insight in the industry. I've noticed that you are absolutely correct. Keeping it exclusive is the way to go.

Unfortunately, some of us try to get into the business a little later, when we have the smarts and still have a body....It's not quite as marketable as you'd think.

Stacy Sinn

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#194472 - 09/28/06 04:07 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
PainfulAzzFuckin Offline
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Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 502
Quote:

I want to thank you for your insight in the industry. I've noticed that you are absolutely correct. Keeping it exclusive is the way to go.

Unfortunately, some of us try to get into the business a little later, when we have the smarts and still have a body....It's not quite as marketable as you'd think.

Stacy Sinn




I think that's entirely dependent on what, exactly, you are attempting to market. The internet is absolutely filled with individuals in the 22+ age bracket who have made decent livings catering to specific kinks and fetishes. If all you've got to market is the basic in-and-out formula and you aren't a hot teenybopper, then I can only say you aren't really that good at marketing.

And in the end, I think that's what seperates the successful porn stars from the 2-3 year burnouts. Those who understand marketing and those who don't. 99%+ of the stars in this industry (male and female alike) are just "performers." Performers work for others....not themselves.
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#194473 - 09/30/06 07:34 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
windsock Offline
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Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 3018
Another fruitless thread that flirts with serious examination. But like all the rest the examiners purposely and as a matter of course leave themselves out of the equation- which is analogous to something very simple I can't come up with right now. Perhaps trying to figure out the area of a circle without knowing or willing to acknowledge pi or something like that, maybe. It's this sort of labored yet also vacuous and self serving intellectual discourse that has lead the world to be in the dark troubles it is currently in.



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#194474 - 10/17/06 03:12 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
bill_russell_6 Offline
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Registered: 10/16/06
Posts: 24
and if we made the question the other way round?
"Why Some Whores Success?"

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#194475 - 10/17/06 03:15 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
jamesn Offline
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Quote:

and if we made the question the other way round?
"Why Some Whores Success?"




this is not proper english, My son has cerebral palsy, I would give anything to have him be able to do such things.
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#194476 - 10/18/06 05:19 AM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
bill_russell_6 Offline
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Registered: 10/16/06
Posts: 24
Quote:

and if we made the question the other way round?
"Why Some Whores Success?"




at least for me it is important that the whore is beautiful but most of all is that she is a true slut. i mean that you can feel by watching her scenes that she enjoys what she is doing, and that when the cameras are not on she will behave the same way.
i hate pornstars that just do it for the money because those are the ones that as soon as they become famous stop doing really nasty stuff and turn softer or doing just girl/girl (perfect example: Silvia Saint).

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#194477 - 10/19/06 12:26 AM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
JoeHenry Offline
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Registered: 08/22/06
Posts: 36
Can you honestly think of a porn slut that would continue in the business after winnning say...10 MILLION in the lottery?

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#194478 - 10/19/06 05:12 AM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
bill_russell_6 Offline
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Registered: 10/16/06
Posts: 24
Quote:

Can you honestly think of a porn slut that would continue in the business after winnning say...10 MILLION in the lottery?




really i think that 95% of the whores would quit, but that does not change that i still love those porn sluts that do it for more things than the money.
i believe that some of them like Ava Devine for example, would keep been porn whores even after winning the lottery.

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#194479 - 10/25/06 03:51 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
Fast Eddie Offline
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Quote:



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Why Some Whores Fail






I find this article to be condescending and pretentious. I also find it ironic (and telling) that an article written by someone claiming to want to help girls in the industry uses the word "whore" so liberally.

The simple fact is that the males in this industry, from the CEOs of the productions companies to the male talent down to the girl's suitcase pimp boyfriends, have absolutely no respect for the girls that put food on their table and the Mercedes in their four car garages.

Read websites like lukeford.com, industry forum like this, etc., and the words you read describing the female talent is never anything but derogatory... Slut, whore, cumdumpster and worse are commonly used.

So ask yourself; is this simply a matter of misogyny? The answer is no... it's a matter of power and control. The industry does everything it can to keep the female talent from being anything other than an interchangeable piece of meat. Why do you think many of the more mature pornstars with years in the business are being passed by for naive 18 year olds? Control, control, control.

The article hauls out that old chestnut of most pornstars being abused, molested or drug addicts. I'll admit that there is a certain amount of that in the adult industry, but I don't agree that it's as widespread as claimed. For the most part, I think that the girls getting into this industry are girls who really do enjoy sex, find the prospect of making money by fucking appealing, and come from a socioeconomic background that gives them a choice of making minimum wage or waitressing vs. making two or three thousand dollars a week.

But what eventually happens is that they do get burned out in the industry because they are coerced into more and more extreme acts... I spoke to a girl who had just filmed her first porn vid for a well known company. Being naive, she paid for her own flight to LA to do a five man gang-bang. Everything went well until time for the money shots when she was informed that she had to take all five loads in her mouth and swallow. She didn't want to do it and at first refused, but was told unless she did she wouldn't get paid, so she really didn't have much of a choice.

So it's not that these girls were abused as children... they're abused AFTER they gets into the industry. And the drug problem arises when they realize that for financial reasons they're trapped.

The article talks about EXCLUSIVE BRANDING, and places the blame on the girl herself for not having the sense to realize it and act on it. But the truth is that today it's next to impossible to achieve exclusive branding.

Consider this... Let's say Jenna Jameson was just starting out, and was only willing to do what she did when she really did get into the business: plain old G/G and B/G. Remember, at first she didn't do anal, didn't swallow, etc. I may be wrong, but I don't think she's EVER done a DP.

Now, a producer has a choice of hiring Jenna or another girl, maybe not as good looking but who will do DP, Double Vag, airtight, ATM and so on... who do you think is going to get hired? If Jenna had gotten into the business today, she'd be just another big titted blond pornstar.

Today, other than the big feature companies like Vivid and Wicked, the adult industry is designed to keep a girl from getting too big. Adult websites use fake names for the talent on their site, DVD credits make it difficult for you to identify any but the big name stars... and even if a girl is lucky enough to become the one in a thousand girls who become a contract star, the branding isn't hers, it's the production company's. It's ALL about power and control.

Isn't it funny that while the girls are referred to as sluts and whores, the industry has a problem with pornstars who choose to escort? Think about it... we all know it certainly isn't a moral judgement, so what reason could there be? Simple... a company loses control when a girl is making $10,000 or more a week by fucking her fans. She becomes less dependent on the industry for her income, and so isn't as easily manipulated. Now she has the power to say no when she's asked to work a 12 hour day and take two cocks up her ass or get throat-fucked until she pukes for a couple of grand.

What the article does, under the pretense of "enlightening" the girls in the adult industry, is spuriously place the blame squarely on them for not using their brains rather than examining the industry's role in intentionally striving to keep a girl from becoming an "EXCLUSIVE BRAND".



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#194480 - 11/09/06 06:55 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
Micheal Mayhem Offline
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Registered: 04/20/05
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Quote:

Can you honestly think of a porn slut that would continue in the business after winnning say...10 MILLION in the lottery?


Nope but after she squandered it on drugs, alcohol, shoes and a loser boyfriend she'd be back in six months...

And don't forget Jim South wants 10%
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#194481 - 11/09/06 09:39 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
Phlogiston Offline
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Registered: 09/13/05
Posts: 1594
Loc: The "Phlogbox", apparently.
Simple: Whores fail because they exist.

Two solutions: Anesthetising themselves ( ) or something slightly more permanent.

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#194482 - 11/21/06 09:12 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
Dick Dastardly Offline
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Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 4470
This was golden, I wished I read it sooner. Christian's right, most whores won't read it.

Then again, the Wanker Wang post was point on. Jesus Christ, I get a huge kick out of all the faggot-ass fanfucks who sit on forums & soak up the "Ohh, I love it in my ass & my pussy, and doing A2M's" and "Oh, and there is nothing better than a bunch of fat, ugly dudes cumming all over my face after I suck their putrid smelling ballsacks". The people who genuinely believe that shit need their head examined. I've talked to a few chicks in smut and you can weed out the ones who are "conditioned" to give the appropriate response, too. Sure, I pull my pud like the next guy, but at least I have the mind to seperate the fantasy from reality.

Alas, I'm torn, Fast Eddie makes many excellent points as well. I never fell for the drugged-out, abusive childhood bullshit. Some girls genuinely walk into this business because they just like dick, but walk out as dykes because of all the bullshit, IMO.

Matter of fact, I'm contemplating that whole percentage thing. 1/10 of them will understand it, 1/10 of those will actually adhere to it, and the other 9/10's will go smoke a bowl/rock/snort a line because it's all too stressful for them to comprehend or handle

Quote:

url=http://www.pornvalleynews.com/home/archives/2006/09/porn_girls_put.html#more]




I can't think of a whore who would continue in the biz if she won the ONE Million $$ lottery (much less $10mil), or perhaps even half that!
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#194483 - 01/29/09 11:29 AM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
pretty Offline
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Registered: 03/29/08
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what does pecuniary mean?
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#194484 - 01/29/09 11:34 AM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
pretty Offline
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Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 1991
Loc: colorado
did burg write this article?

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#194485 - 01/29/09 02:13 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
steveb Offline
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Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 662
Do you know what else is missing in porn? People who know how to make a point succinctly.

God those posts ramble!
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#194486 - 01/30/09 04:58 AM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
NitneLiun Offline
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Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
Quote:

what does pecuniary mean?




Pecuniary means relates to money. I can't believe a whore doesn't know that.
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#194487 - 01/30/09 12:40 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
rhino Offline
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Registered: 12/25/08
Posts: 16
Quote:

the chances of any girl in the business reading that.....zero




Maybe you should use your influence as an industry success story to tell them to read it.

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#194488 - 01/30/09 01:40 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
pretty Offline
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Registered: 03/29/08
Posts: 1991
Loc: colorado
its a big word...
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#194489 - 01/31/09 05:50 PM Re: Why Some Whores Fail
moxxie maddron Offline
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Registered: 09/18/06
Posts: 220
Quote:

the chances of any girl in the business reading that.....zero




I read the whole thing.. I know him.
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