Hello I just found this forum like 10 minutes ago by chance and it looks like a very interesting place. I will try to make this message brief. First of all about myself, I only watch Lesbian Porn, nothing else. I don't like watching straight porn cause I don't need to see other men's penises. Yes I am a guy. Alright enough with that.

I am sort of tired of most Lesbian porn because they aren't directed correctly or is just a plain waste of time to watch. Why?

A) Have a Theme: crappy lesbian porn has no storyline, ie- 2 or 3 girls wearing shiny outfits or started off being naked and then getting it on. Sorry but there needs to be some sort of setup. IE, teacher/student, Cop/Robber or any other more creative themes.

B) Use of too many Toys and Dildos. Sorry but anything involving Dildos is a complete time waster and should be fast forwarded while watching. Unless the Dildo has been inserted into the vagina/butt and then sucked off.

C) Bad Directing or Crappy Camera Angles. Ok, this is the worst crime for crappy Lesbian porn and most crappy porn are guilty of this. When a Girl is going down on another Girl- NEVER ever spend minutes panning to the other girls face or filming the scenery. If you have to, pan to her face and then Cut back!! Don’t spend Minutes away!! I find that at the best Muff eating moment, the Cameraman either pans away from the Eating and then to the other girl and spends what seems like Hours there and then pans back when the Muff diving has stopped. Why pay your actresses good money when you do not film what you paid them to do?

Also During Muff diving, there is a tendency to shoot- from long range- and keep it long shot for too long. Sure, shoot an establishing shot but most of the time should be spent on close-ups. Not panning around and shooting behind the butt or behind the head. Let’s put it this way, Most Great lesbian Porn are not supposed to be directed like a Spielberg Movie or filmed like Casablanca. Good Lesbian porn has GREAT close-ups and medium close-up shots and spends the majority of the time on the art of vagina eating.

There are many a times where I just wanted to Kill the Cameraman because he thinks that he is like a George Lucas and starts filming all over the place and zooming in and out and panning like an idiot. Find another industry, maybe go film The Fast and the Furious, not porn.

D) Actresses who aren’t good Muff Divers. This is self explanatory, some actresses just doesn’t like eating muff and shouldn’t waste other peoples time, they should be doing straight porn. I am talking about flicking the tongue and barely grazing the vagina. The proper technique is to go deep down, bury your face in there for a long period of time, and also sucking on the labia and holding it in for a long period of time. Good Lesbian Porn involves many minutes of Vagina eating and not 30 seconds- and the other 20 seconds wasted when the cameraman is panning to the kitchen stove on the set.

Also Anything that involves Inserting food into the Vagina and then removed and eaten by the other actress is GOOD stuff! A good Example of this would be: Decadent Divas 2: Where Aelea was eating Grapes out of some Girl’s vagina.

E) Talk Dirty. I am sorry but Lesbian porn where both actresses says nothing just doesn’t cut it. There has to be a large amount of Filthy talking. The word ‘Pussy’ in lesbian porn is very tame. The word ‘Cunt’ or ‘Slit’ or ‘Snatch’ is good. Nothing beats the Word ‘Cunt’ or ‘Hole’ in Lesbian porn. IE. Best dirty talking Porn is Steve Austin’s Filthy Talking Cuntlickers, Hillary Scott, Lauren Phoenix and a few others.

F) Some of my All-Time Favourite Lesbian porn scenes or Series.

1) Steve Austin’s Filthy Talking Cuntlickers is Gold, especially number 4, with the First Scene between Stormy Dreams and some other actress!! Probably the best scene ever! Lots of Close up shots and tons of Filthy talking mixed in with Eating Different Positions. What the Heck happened to this series??? They should make 5,6,7 etc.

2) Babe Illustrated 15 and Midnight Caller with Lauren Phoenix! Damn this Girl can Eat Muff and get in Deep. However she doesn’t do enough lesbian porn.

3) Hillary Scott’s scene with Brooke in Brooke’s Bitches. However the Cameraman in this sucks. Great Dirty talking by Hillary and Brooke and even the theme is sufficiently believable.

4) JM productions Violation Series started off Great and had a lot of Potential, but then later turned into nothing more then really Boring Dildo and Toys porn. With exception to some episodes, just not enough Muff/Butt eating.

5) JM productions Lesbian Bukkake had a lot of potential at first but turned old real fast. Once again, too tame and not enough Vagina to mouth action. Although I’ve only seen 1 and 2.

6) Belladona’s Lesbian Evil series is pretty Nasty! But once again the Cameraman needs to concentrate on the task and not his ability to move the camera in 10 different directions.

7) Cousin Steve’s Pussy Party isn’t bad but is mostly Fluff, I’d like to see more consistent Pussy eating and down and dirty stuff.

8) Any Mature and Young Lesbian series ROCK!!! This is the type of theme I am talking about. But yes, it still does suffer from the Crappy Cameraman syndrome, but the theme is what I am talking about. Or other cool Lesbian themes would be Tall Girl and very Short girl or Fat Girl and a Hot lesbian etc.

9) Vagina Eating Technique and What I’d like to See: Long and hard Vagina/Butt eating, or Tongue Fucking. Good Sucking of the Labia and holding it there. Burying the face into the Vagina. The Most Arousing thing to do would be to Rub the face of a Girl all over the Vagina, IE- involve other parts of her face into the vagina such as the forhead, eyes, cheeks, chin, nose etc. Also Sucking the pubic hairs is arousing.

10) Tit Sucking, A good Tit sucking Lesbian Porn would be Jamie and Makayla by Steamybabes. You all need to see that to know what good Lesbian tit sucking is all about.

11) and LAST but not LEAST Get RID of DILDOS!!!

There are a lot more that I wanted to add but this is good for Now since I am starting to feel like a Perv, I would like to hear what you all think of this or who you think are great Lesbian Porn actresses. A good consistent Lesbian Actress who gets really nasty is Kerri Windsor, although I would like to see many more step in her shoes or even outdo her.

Uh Oh... I hear the stampeed on its way. Look out... you better dunk LezDirector!!

Oh... and P.S. sounds like you've watched too much porn in your time and that you've become way too jaded and picky that nothing satisfies you anymore. Just stop watching it for a year and then any girl on girl contact will get your jollies going again.

Is this really GenPadova from the Lady Ass Lickers series?? Heheh, you Rock! Lots of respect for your work. Another Great series, How can I forget. But yea, even then there are some lame episodes. Not all Lesbo porn are great. But when done right, it Rocks!

Thanks babe but seriously... careful what you say, the crowd here isn't the friendliest

lexdirector,

Most of the women who do homosexual scenes in straight porn movies are actually "gay-for-pay". These are women who would not normally practise homosexuality in their private lives but who do it for the camera because someone's waved a greenback in their faces.

kate,

I know and I sort of feel cheated when lesbian porn sucks. Hence 90% of them aren't worth watching. But the Best place to start is with how Cameraman do their stuff. there are alot of really bad camera guys out there.

An example would be a Girl eating out another Girl, ok she is really going to town and enjoying the day's work. Out of the 5 minutes of diving, the Cameraman films like maybe 30 seconds worth of footages worth a crap and the other 4minutes and 30seconds minutes zooming around and looking out the window or obstructing shots or long range shots or shots of the other girl's face and elbow. Wtf?

Lezdirector,

Yours is a fair criticism of the technical side of the filming profession.

But I also think there's a real problem with performers in general. My understanding is that many women in the industry are just there for the bucks. There is no sense of contributing to an art form.

Lezdirector,

You may want to check out some of Bruce Seven's stuff from the 80's in particular.

I've seen most of Bruce Seven's stuff, The ButtSlammer's series?...I might have seen all 21 or whever number it has gotten up to. pretty old school. And WAYY too many Dildoes.

Gen
The new avi makes me moist:)

It's how I feel about this industry and its people and how I feel about myself getting involved for others masturbatory purposes and my lack of desire to seek the slab of meet with no social skills and to resort to degeneratively infested elongated slabs of penis meat to fill my orafices. Quite exciting to say the very least. The avatar screams excitement. I swear.

I think Kate found ITs soul mate.

Wonderful.....thanks for the input.......now do one of two things....


put-up or shut up......tired of fuckers with their ideas who are just that ideas....I myself have an idea for a money tree......but you don’t see me writing on a daily basis about it...because its just a pipe dream.

bottom line is what’s true in most things in life....no one cares about your idea until you do it yourself and tell everyone else look I told you so if It actually turns out successful. Everyone will be jealous and you can say I told you so fuckers!!!!

Have you tried any of Viv Thomas' movies yet, like 'Pink Velvet'?

He's a firm fave of the g/g crowd.

oh that... I've been doing intense writing. Time will tell of what may come of it.

I don't like fiction much. Never read comics much. Everytime I tried they bored me. *sigh* Escaping reality reminds me of whores taking xanax and drinking alcohol just to get by through an evening of porno sex and/or convention signings as if it's really that difficult. And that's... bad

Check out Girlfriends Films, or the previously mentioned LezLove movies. VERY popular companies with the girl girl customers at my stores.

Andrew Blakes' stuff are the worst. Lesbian porno is supposed to be raunchy, well all good pornos are raunchy and nasty as hell. He has way too many camera movements and cuts, he is more interested in the artform and style. Good Porn has no camera artform, It is simple, establishing shot, and then close-ups, more close-ups and hold it there, medium closeups and hold it there, Dont fucking move the camera. Leave it up to the actresses to do their nastiness and you document what they do. It is not about how cool you can whiz and zoom in and out and pan around the room, that is all bullshit...what you end up are bullshit footages of you panning and cutting around like an idiot.

Like I said, if I wanted to see a Steven Spielberg type movie I go and see Saving Private Ryan, Porn shouldn't be filmed like a Steven Spielberg movie.

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Actually the Brazilian lez series is pretty good, although the camera work isn't that good.

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Yes, I saw some MFX stuff from Brazil and they are pretty harsh(which is good). But the girls for the most part are pretty ugly looking.

Cheers to LezDirector from AVN's #1 g/g fanatic! I see so eye-to-eye with you on so many of your points, that it's like you transcribed my own thoughts on the subject, and I'm elated to hear someone else voice them. I won't rehash them, but I will suggest a few titles/series you left out that definitely fit the bill: 1) Jonni Darkko's Girls Love Girls from Evil Angel, as well as the Girl Crazy line he did at New Sensations – in my opinion, nobody shoots g/g better than Jonni, and the first GLG is hands down one of the best lez movies I've ever seen. 2) The Finger Licking Good line from Third Degree. The genius thing about this series is that it gives you the option of viewing the action with or without toys. And it's directed by Mike Quasar, who's right up there with Darkko in his command of the genre. 3) The Nasty Girls line from Anabolic. Definitely more hardcore than the first two, but it's some of the best lez porn that's been produced, and they recently revived the series. 4) No Man's Land: Latin Edition from Video Team. Lots of labia-lapping between the hottest Latinas out there. What's to complain about? 5) I always loved the Hot Showers movies from Hustler, though it seems they've discontinued the series. Since you love Lauren Phoenix doing g/g, though, check out #10, where she has a scene with Cindy Crawford and a girl named Angel that's just awesome. 6) Randy West's old I Love Lesbians! line. Man, some of my favorite g/g scenes of all time are from this series, including but not limited to the pairing of April Flowers and Isabella Camille in #8. 7) The Slumber Party line from Shane's World. Not always as great as some of this other stuff, but definitely has produced some classic scenes. And that's about the best of the best, as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for sharing my g/g love.

Pete Warren

Nice reply Wetscrog,

But I don't know if I can agree with you on all the titles that you have named. First off I would like to say that definitely, Johnny Darrko's Girls Love Girls is one of the best directed and hardcore videos, only thing missing is some sort of theme or subject matter or more intense dialogue.

The rest from Finger Licking Good to No Man's Land and Nasty Girls, Girl Crazy are mediocre(although there was one Girl Crazy film of the same title but not the same series was pretty good). They are the better ones made out there but are too inconsistent. Most scenes are hit and misses with more misses. Hot Showers are pretty tame stuff from Hustler and usually nobody ever talks in that series. Not very good stuff.

Randy West's I Love Lesbians are by far the Worst lesbian films ever made. This guy doesn't have a clue on how to film lesbian scenes, this is the type of really crappy stuff that I was talking about. He never has any close ups, very long shots that goes on forever, very bad shots that block the viewer and lots of cuts. I recalling watching at least over a dozen from that series and none are worth a crap. He does have a lot of hot girls in his film but unfortunately when you film from what seems like 10 feet out, what is the point. Wasted in my opinion. I really have very little respect for his work.

Shane's Slumber party is also a hit and miss with more misses. It isn't really that great.

Of all the stuff you've mentioned only Girls Love Girls Stand out as a worthy effort. All the rest are at best Hit and misses, and as far as I can remember, still full of fluff footages, dildoes and too many cuts and bad camera directions.

The whole point being is that if I, as a guy or any other guy can eat out a girl for a good ten minutes and more burying my face in her muff and doing all the nasty things I've talked about then there really isn't any excuse that a paid professional Pornstar shouldn't able to do just as good as well. (and to be perfectly fair to the girls in the movies, many of shitty lesbian porns are just bad camera work). Another reason to this might be the fact that Straight Porn cameramen are filming Lesbian Porn. And both types of porn cannot be filmed the same way. It is very different.

Well, I agree that a lot of the series I mentioned are hit-or-miss, but I still think they're the best of what's available. I don't share your need for dialogue/set-ups, but I do SO yearn for toys to be banned from g/g scenes and oral to be made the main focus. I am curious as to how you could praise Girls Love Girls so highly, but dismiss Girl Crazy, as they're essentially the same thing with a title change. And have you WATCHED the most recent Finger Licking Good in the sans-toys mode? 'Cause based on everything you said, I find it hard to comprehend how you'd be disappointed by it.

Morbs, I haven't seen the movie that you mentioned but ya, that is pretty much what I am talking about. Girl juices, some rediculous set up or storyline, long labia love and good breasts loving makes for a great lesbian film. It isn't really all that hard. Also little details like 2 girls shouldn't start off like completely naked. Have one girl all dressed, the other naked, have still some clothes on them for a while. But yes man, you are on it.

The acting doesn't have to be academy stuff, just kinda kinky, the entire Brooke's Bitches 1 and 2 are pretty entertaining in that respect. especially the hillary scott scene.

Wetscrog, I understand what you are saying. Finger Licking Good, Girl Crazy and Girls Love Girls are pretty essentially the same thing, possibly even overlapping actresses. But I guess Girls Love Girls (the first one, not sure if there is number 2) probably lucked out with some really good scenes. The other series are hit and misses and are inconsistent.

Girls Love Girls certainly did take the cake with its match-ups. #2 is due out in the next couple of months.

I have to agree with LezDirector totally, 100% of all so-called lesbian porno videos and dvds today contain almost no realistic lesbian passion or lust, its all the same boring predictable amateur girl-girl cunt play which has no benefits for the viewers..How in the hell is someone supposed to get turned on by watching dry pale faced girls with no titys, boney bodys, hairy pussys talking up a storm , then going into the same old pussy on pussy action which repeats itself while the cameraman cant even let the girls be natural, because he has to move the cameras in and out over and over as if the viewer doesnt know what the hell the girls are doing .....I remember a long time ago, i saw this one hot lesbian strap on sex scene in Rosebud Videos: Bizzare Desires . Where Brooke Waters is strapping on Lisa Lennox , and Rex Borsky let the girls have their fun without trying to interfere, he only zoomed in once or twice..but kept the camera steady. As if it was on a tripod system . When i saw that video, it was like as if i was spying on my hot lesbian neighbors strap on fucking ...i felt like i was almost there in the same room as Brooke and Lisa, there was no background music, no special effects, no cameras zooming in and out....the same thing with the Bruce Sevens videos : Where The Girls Sweat....NO MEN, NO MUSIC, NO SPECIAL EFFECTS , NO UGLY WOMEN OR WOMEN WHO TALK TOO MUCH, JUST PURE HARDCORE REALISTIC LESBIAN LUST CAPTURED ON VIDEO!!!! NOW THAT ROCKS!! If only todays lesbian porn was the same , I also have to say that Lesbian Bukkake needs a lot of improvement, theres like no lesbian sex at all in the video but theres plenty of over-hyped girls screaming into the camera before they inject themselves with fake pussy water and pretend to squirt....thats also a BIG MISTAKE I think everyone can agree with me that no matter what lesbian video, movie or dvd your watching , buying or downloading from the internet WE ALL WANT REALISTIC LESBIAN PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell if we all had our own videocameras and some hot lesbian neighbors who were willing to let us film them ..we could do a better job than what JM , ELEGENT ANGELS, VIVID, FILMCO, PLEASURE, PLATNIUM X, NEW SENSATIONS , THE EVIL EMPIRE, COAST TO COAST AND WICKED have all done in the past....MAKE LESBIAN PORN REAL! NOT FAKE! MAKE LESBIAN BUKKAKE REAL , NOT FAKE!

ARE YOU WITH ME ????? SAY OYE

Thank God you checked in honey, we were getting worried about you.

I have to agree.

What I don’t like about lesbo porn is that 99% of it is made for men. So the themes seem to be that the girls are only getting off with each other because there is no cock about. If you’re going to do lesbian porn use real lesbian or bi girls and write a proper lesbian story not just a ‘no cock available story’

I've only seen Lesbian Bukkake 1-3. All of them suck except for the first scene in Episode 3. It was the scene with the brunette. Why did I like this scene? Well, at least she ate like the first two pussys and then later on ate about 5-6 more before the standard squirt in the face. Even though it wasn't heavy muff eating, it was still a major improvement over the other girls. Also, she was hot as hell. The camera man in this one did good, nice closeups and held it there. Best scene as far as the first 3 episodes are concerned.

DAMN, forget the squirting water BS, why don't you let her eat like 20 pussies in a row. LOL, I think that would blow most people away.

You know... you can't put blame on what we don't do. We were not allowed to do any oral sex with the girls... afterall its a fuckin' bukakke not a girl on girl scene or all female fuck fest. There's a difference. Now if the director requested some form of sex then it'd be done.

Watch who you blame... the boss is the one with the yay and nay's not us whores. So stop pointing fingers at talent. Hence... lesbian BUKKAKE!!

Gen has a point about the Lesbian Bukkake. I mean, afterall it is bukkake, lol, silly me.