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#457350 - 10/24/09 04:10 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Pervert
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Let's say I got rich in the dot-com boom of the late 90s / early 2000s.
Wouldn't it be better to get rich by actually working instead of scamming people? Oh you're black, nevermind.
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f I rented a house in LA, could I book 3 girls a week to shoot with me?
Tory Black said somewhere(ADT?) that she hates dudes who try to book her for POV shoots with them being also the stunt cock. But she's a whore so it's most likely a lie.
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I'd have my own makeup artist on hand, clean bathrooms, and a female assistant at all times.
Let me guess, you'd be boning her too, right?
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What are the chances of them reliably showing up?
Zero, whores are all flakes.
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If I pay cash right there after the deed, will this increase interest in my bookings?
Depends on the amount.
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Fuck scene may contain anal.
Eh, you can't hire a pw for a "fuck scene" that might contain anal. You have to negotiate all details of the scene with her agent(if she has one) upfront.
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#457351 - 10/24/09 04:28 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Zip Coon
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Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 1958
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Fuck scene may contain anal.
Eh, you can't hire a pw for a "fuck scene" that might contain anal. You have to negotiate all details of the scene with her agent(if she has one) upfront.
Yes, I know. I was simply providing the details of the final product. In general, if a girl is available for anal, I will go for the anal scene. Cumshots in general will be 40% facials, 30% swallows, 15% creampie (anal or vag), 15% other (on tits, on pussy, in ass crack, ON ass).
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#457352 - 10/24/09 04:30 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 06/09/03
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Here's your chance:
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#457356 - 10/24/09 08:43 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Zip Coon
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PWs have the shelf life of milk. You are proposing to build a website that has 2 y/o content; full of whores that didn't shoot more a couple of scenes and don't matter or whores that are completely shot out by the time your release your product.
Actually, I'm not so sure this is determined to fail. You'd be surprised how many obscure girls have fans that would be dying to see ANYTHING new from them. And usually, people who are that into porn and follow certain girls are exactly the ones who pay for website subscriptions.
Think about girls like Jenni Lee or Arielle Alexis who made quick, but significant splashes into porn and then left. Wouldn't it be a treat to see a "forgotten" scene of theirs? Fresh, new content from your favorite niche starlet during the prime of her career. Hell, even Gia Jordan would fit this description. She has a small pocket of fandom on this site. Wouldn't you LOVE to see an unreleased anal scene of her's? Complete with a full, hardcore hi-rez photoset?
And then, how about girls that are still in the business, but getting older and "shot out" as you say. Wouldn't a new scene from their fertile period be quite a treat? How about those that get "ruined" (as some feel) with a boob-job or tattoos. A brand NEW scene from a time when she was JUST AS YOU LIKED HER.
Finally --- what about popular gonzo stars who have left the business, but continue to have major fan bases? I'm thinking someone who stays in for a good year to year and half and racks up plenty of credits. The black star Sierra, Vanessa Lane, Danielle Dererk, Tiffany Rayne, etc.
Wouldn't you LOVE to see new scene of Tiffany Rayne (as she USED to be) taking it POV up the ass from a black guy? Along with a vivid, 2000x wide hi-res set of the action?
Then again, you have a point. Development of the site could happen concurrently with the shooting. During days when I am not shooting I will be working (possibly with a business partner) on getting the site going. Maybe the site could go live 1 year into the LA adventure.
(Remember, this is all a fantasy scenario)
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#457357 - 10/24/09 09:13 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/15/08
Posts: 741
Loc: The Great White Frozen Fucking...
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I decide to go to porn valley and shoot porn for about 2 years, then take all the content back home and build a website/DVD business.
PWs have the shelf life of milk. You are proposing to build a website that has 2 y/o content; full of whores that didn't shoot more a couple of scenes and don't matter or whores that are completely shot out by the time your release your product. Between ODing, car crashes and angry suitcase pimps, a PW's life expectancy can be as short as those IED disposal guys in Iraq. If you pulled out the whores that died between shooting and release, you might lose half your content before you even debut; though you could pitch that content to the moblems of the world.
I think the idea of websites is that the content is very fresh. Like daily or at least weekly. You would need to build the website first and shoot current whores.
I disagree. If you're trying to build a website based on flat out unknown whores, you're bound to fail. It's self defeating because all you have is one angle (New Whores) with nothing to really back it up and some very vanilla sex. (Occasional anal... big whoop.) Also, Brandon Iron pretty much has the 'new whore/boring content' angle locked down hard.
Now if Tritone went for multiples of niches he might have something. Suppose he made his films entirely interracial. (I know, I know... big shocker there...) and suppose he turned down less than stellar looking whores and selected only woman that were at least 9's or higher. And then suppose at the end of each shoot he had a clown come into the room throwing random raw fish at her until the whore bolted from the set in terror/confusion/clown phobias. Then he has an interracial site featuring crazy hot girls that also caters to men with evil clown/raw fish fantasies.
Say what you want, but people would probably pay for that if only for the WTF?!?!? factor. And the really hot girls and hilarious end sequences keep them coming back.
I guess my point is, that the site the way Tritone proposes would seem doomed to failure from my point of view. It's just too generic. If he could find a niche and generate some consistent quality vids for his site, it could be very lucrative.
If you wanna succeed, stand out from the crowd. Maybe you fail, maybe you don't, but I like your chances better if you offer something unique.
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#457359 - 10/24/09 10:10 PM
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Sex Slave Trader
Registered: 06/06/09
Posts: 1321
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Why don't we just let all the convicts out for shoots???
They already do.  In front of the camera and behind the scenes.
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#457360 - 10/25/09 01:43 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 06/09/03
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Why don't we just let all the convicts out for shoots???
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#457361 - 10/25/09 01:52 PM
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I decide to go to porn valley and shoot porn for about 2 years, then take all the content back home and build a website/DVD business.
PWs have the shelf life of milk. You are proposing to build a website that has 2 y/o content; full of whores that didn't shoot more a couple of scenes and don't matter or whores that are completely shot out by the time your release your product. Between ODing, car crashes and angry suitcase pimps, a PW's life expectancy can be as short as those IED disposal guys in Iraq. If you pulled out the whores that died between shooting and release, you might lose half your content before you even debut; though you could pitch that content to the moblems of the world.
I think the idea of websites is that the content is very fresh. Like daily or at least weekly. You would need to build the website first and shoot current whores.
I disagree. If you're trying to build a website based on flat out unknown whores, you're bound to fail. It's self defeating because all you have is one angle (New Whores) with nothing to really back it up and some very vanilla sex. (Occasional anal... big whoop.) Also, Brandon Iron pretty much has the 'new whore/boring content' angle locked down hard.
Now if Tritone went for multiples of niches he might have something. Suppose he made his films entirely interracial. (I know, I know... big shocker there...) and suppose he turned down less than stellar looking whores and selected only woman that were at least 9's or higher. And then suppose at the end of each shoot he had a clown come into the room throwing random raw fish at her until the whore bolted from the set in terror/confusion/clown phobias. Then he has an interracial site featuring crazy hot girls that also caters to men with evil clown/raw fish fantasies.
Say what you want, but people would probably pay for that if only for the WTF?!?!? factor. And the really hot girls and hilarious end sequences keep them coming back.
I guess my point is, that the site the way Tritone proposes would seem doomed to failure from my point of view. It's just too generic. If he could find a niche and generate some consistent quality vids for his site, it could be very lucrative.
If you wanna succeed, stand out from the crowd. Maybe you fail, maybe you don't, but I like your chances better if you offer something unique.
Well said Fenris... More from you, yes?.
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#457366 - 10/25/09 04:35 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/11/06
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My target market for all of this are middle class and affluent black males with disposable income.
An oxynegronic statement.
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#457367 - 10/25/09 06:10 PM
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Porn Jesus
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The product will most likely be 100% IR, I suspect, with one or two token titles featuring the likes of Thunder Katt, Jessica Allbutt and 
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#457368 - 10/25/09 06:38 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 4856
Loc: The 4th International
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^^ Animal sex?
Btw, Tritone, stop calling it a 'fantasy'. It's what you want to do and plan to do. Be honest, yes?
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#457369 - 10/25/09 07:26 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/15/08
Posts: 741
Loc: The Great White Frozen Fucking...
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Tritone,
Whilst I am but sorely tempted to jump up and down on your hot buttons, I will not. This is in fact the kind of discussion I have pondered quite a bit in the past.
You're proposing two basic questions here.
1) What is the basic cost to set up a decent porn website that will succeed as a business.
2) Is the concept that I am floating viable?
The basic costs to do this sort of site have dropped dramatically in the last two years. Whores that used to go for $1200 a scene now go for $700. Amateurs can be had for less. Cast and crew are also working for a bit less than they used to as well, and the digital revolution makes filming much cheaper than it used to be.
Conversely, the market is actually beyond saturation point, and free sites like Redtube are not helping at all. Just a simple search on Redtube for POV inter-racial brought up 17 free videos, some of which actually looked pretty good.
So is the cost reasonable now? Maybe. You wanted to rent a house and live in an apartment offsite. I'm nixing that. A house in porn valley will not be cheap and a startup business needs to run as efficiently as possible. You need to live in that house dude. Figure house rental to be at least $1200 dollars a month.
Then you need to shoot a ton of material before launch. Figure at least 12 different girls for launch with at least 6 more in the can and ready to go. If we figure on the bargain price of $700 per girl, you're looking at at least $12600 before you even open your site for business. And I'm being generous in that assessment, because whores flake out so figure on at least two of your shoots being busts.
I'm not even going to guess what support staff you would need, not factoring in the cost of stunt cocks, support staff, editors, technical staff, marketing costs, licensing, testing, lawyers fees, insurance, website maintenance and technical support, utilities and property taxes.
I am going to assign a very rough number of at least $15000 to all of the above. I am most likely grossly underestimating this number.
So, in my very best internet expert opinion, it would take approximately $28,800.00 to get started as a porn innovator. As I also stated, that number could also be a lot closer to $40 grand. That's 29 to 40 thousand dollars before you even open your doors for business.
Now for the second question. Is your concept viable?
I'm going to say no.
Hit Google, type in interracial POV. See what you get. I got 699 thousand results. A fuckton of that stuff is free too. How do you compete with that?
You don't. That doesn't mean you can't do your vision, which is to have very fine whores servicing you while you try not to drop your videocamera, but on the whole, I don't feel your vision stands on it's own. You need a hook, a grabber, something to get the people to your site and then keep them there after they whip out the credit card. That means a unique high quality product that they cannot get for free or easily pirate and that they cannot get anywhere else. That means innovative marketing plans that make your customers really happy and possibly even give referrals. It means lots of brain wracking work. It also means a lot of throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. It also means you being appalled occasionally by what is driving your site traffic, and then getting past that and starting to follow up on it to find out how you capture more lightning in a bottle.
In short dude, I think it's a tough row to hoe. You need a fat outlay of cash and a unique concept that about a thousand people a month are willing to pay about $14.95 for. It would be a fuckton of work too.
Then again, if it works out, you could be in the unique position of having to pencil in blowjob /w swallow for Tuesday morning followed by A2M for the afternoon. And get paid for it.
So yeah, if you have the cash to risk, (And I cannot stress the word risk enough here...) and can expand on your concept enough, by all means it could be successful. But I don't think I'd take that jump without a sound marketing strategy, some serious market research and a rock solid business plan and a good review of initial concept.
That's my take dude. I have 'zero' experience in the actual industry as a website operator as well so *please* take everything I say with a grain of salt. All I've got is my opinion and some educated guesses, and I hope they offer a little bit of what you were looking for.
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#457370 - 10/25/09 07:31 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
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Tritone, i think you are a good dude but my fantasy is that you won't ever start making porn.
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#457372 - 10/26/09 09:03 AM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Zip Coon
Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 04/01/07
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Tritone,
Whilst I am but sorely tempted to jump up and down on your hot buttons, I will not.
I think you've always been cool in that respect.
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You're proposing two basic questions here.
1) What is the basic cost to set up a decent porn website that will succeed as a business.
2) Is the concept that I am floating viable?
3) How can I make a living creaming in tight assholes, warm pussies, and willing mouths?
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crew are also working for a bit less than they used to as well,
Remember, there is no "crew" except for me and the female assistant. Our environments will be nice, but mostly single room sets. She will be trained in setting up video lights and photographic strobes. She can also double as a makeup artist if for some reason we cannot secure one for the shoot. She is a close friend who also has other income so she is this venture with me for a cut of the end result. She doesn't receive a salary.
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Just a simple search on Redtube for POV inter-racial brought up 17 free videos, some of which actually looked pretty good.
I bet most of those vids are just rips from DVD content, though. Even then, I believe there are both old fashioned and even some new porn fans that want QUALITY in the porn they like. They want to see what they are used to on DVDs and big screens -- not some blocky, pixelated mush with flashing dating site & webcam chat ads in the periphery.
They want to see Giana's (Yes, she will do anal again for my site!!!) gaping, just-fucked ass in vivid HD color filling their widescreen monitors. They want to see a IN FOCUS, properly color-balanced still photo of the same thing. They are tired of porn companies taking them for granted by saying, "what the hell, it's just porn! Once they get a nut they won't care!". For a true porn addict/connosieur it's not just the NUT .. but the entire process of fantasy and ritual leading up to it.
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So is the cost reasonable now? Maybe. You wanted to rent a house and live in an apartment offsite. I'm nixing that. A house in porn valley will not be cheap and a startup business needs to run as efficiently as possible. You need to live in that house dude.
My concern with that would be security and privacy. I want a reasonable separation between MY life and the porn shooting adventure. It also makes upkeep simpler because you don't have an additional person living there adding wear and tear.
I don't want some disgruntled boyfriend of a girl I hired to know where to come back and find me. Maybe she shot some stuff and didn't tell him. And now he's pissed and wants to teach me a lesson. Or maybe they just want to rob the place. (Note: The video & still cameras will come back with me every time after the shoot. The only thing left on the premises will be lighting stuff. And that shit is too cumbersome for some amateur to steal).
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Then you need to shoot a ton of material before launch. Figure at least 12 different girls for launch with at least 6 more in the can and ready to go. If we figure on the bargain price of $700 per girl, you're looking at at least $12600 before you even open your site for business. And I'm being generous in that assessment, because whores flake out so figure on at least two of your shoots being busts.
Sounds reasonable. I was thinking 20 girls at site launch with 10 in the can. This gives me a "buffer" of 2.5 months to keep new material going. Of course, If I go with my original plan I'll have tons of content already done that I can introduce at my own pace.
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I'm not even going to guess what support staff ... lawyers fees, insurance, website maintenance and technical support, utilities and property taxes.
Again: only other production staff while shooting is the female assistant. Now maybe I won't be up to performing sometimes and I'll have to hire Bishop, Justin Long, Mr. Marcus, etc. I can see this, but it won't be a regular thing.
Editing (Using Sony Vegas) and technical stuff is all me (with sometimes assists from the female friend who I have tutored in it).
That is one area where I will save money because computer stuff has been my life for many years.
Yes, I will definitely have to find a good lawyer and someone back home who will store the 2257 records in a safe place while I shoot.
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Now for the second question. Is your concept viable?
I'm going to say no.
Hit Google, type in interracial POV. See what you get. I got 699 thousand results. A fuckton of that stuff is free too. How do you compete with that?
But other than some of Lexington Steele's POV videos, they have not been shot with the kind of quality you see in Mike John's, Michael Stefano's, or Erik Everhard's POV ventures. I've written extensively on ADT about how POV should be shot so I won't get into a bunch of details here. But in general, we need the male talent holding the camera steady and in a CENTERED position that simulates what you'd see from own eyes. A mix of closeups, medium, and full wide views that let you see the girl's face.
When they see photo stills and clips of my content on TGP pages, they will see what sets my stuff apart from the crappy DVD-recycles they see on tubes and "videobox" sites. Full down-the-center POV shots with good production values. Also hi-res POV-style photos that you'll never get from ANY DVDrip or cheap amateur with no appreciation of how stills are actually BETTER than video in some cases.
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You don't. That doesn't mean you can't do your vision, which is to have very fine whores servicing you while you try not to drop your videocamera,
Ahhh. I love the way you put that. It's quite a vision, huh?
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but on the whole, I don't feel your vision stands on it's own. You need a hook, a grabber, something to get the people to your site and then keep them there after they whip out the credit card. That means a unique high quality product that they cannot get for free or easily pirate and that they cannot get anywhere else.
Agree. I was hoping that my commitment to quality would be the selling point. High bit rate encodings. HD video. Super large hi res pics (Note - bangbros, brazzers, and reality kings have CRAP resolutionn in their stills). But I guess that's being a bit naive.
Also, while I rail against the fetishization (sp?) of IR, it actually hepls in this regard. I think IR is specialized enough that it may sell itself. It attracts black and white guys -- sometimes for different reasons.
The only problem is see is that I wonder if non-black guys will be interested in black POV even if it is with a white girl. My feeling is that they want to see IR, but not from the perspective that they are the stunt cock.
Perhaps further specialization is necessary. Maybe focus on big tits and cumming on them. Or have them always wear spandex/tight clothes. These are all of interest to me. Or maybe I should scale back and go with the easier idea of just handjobs. Now I can CONFIDENTLY say that there are NOT a lot of black/IR handjob vidoes available.
But remember, this is MY fantasy scenario (yes, freestylah, its not just fantasy I would WANT to do it if I could). I'm supposed to have a nest egg so I can afford to lose money on this venture for a while.
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In short dude, I think it's a tough row to hoe. You need a fat outlay of cash and a unique concept that about a thousand people a month are willing to pay about $14.95
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I was thinking $34.95 initial, with $29.99 recurring. Also, they can join both the black and IR POV sites for $49.99 initial, and $34.99 recurring.
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Then again, if it works out, you could be in the unique position of having to pencil in blowjob /w swallow for Tuesday morning followed by A2M for the afternoon. And get paid for it.
Hmmm. I like the sound of that.
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That's my take dude. I have 'zero' experience in the actual industry as a website operator as well so *please* take everything I say with a grain of salt. All I've got is my opinion and some educated guesses, and I hope they offer a little bit of what you were looking for.
Hey, I had fun reading your assessment. Thank you for taking the time to lay out your thoughts. And yeah, All I've got is just some perspective as a fan that has watched a gazillion hours of porn.
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#457375 - 10/26/09 12:40 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 02/23/05
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Ruby - would you consider shooting an IR scene for this site?
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#457379 - 10/26/09 12:45 PM
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#457382 - 10/26/09 12:56 PM
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If anyone quotes this entire fucking thing above ^^^, I will kill them.   
seriously- just spun my scroll wheel so hard it sounded like a fishing reel. someone clearly has great faith in the average attention span.
bottom line is type-A's jump in and do it while type-B's like Billy Vasilli sit around talking about it all day. a type-B will spend ages putting together the perfect plan as more time slips them by, for the sole purpose of avoiding their deepest fear: executing. a type-A will dive in less prepared, fully prepared to stumble as he goes. as for which side of this dividing line tritone falls, i'm afraid i have some bad news.
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#457383 - 10/26/09 01:07 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 06/14/03
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There are only 2 brotha performers capable of weilding a POV camera - Sean Michaels and Lex. MAYBE Mandingo or Nathan Threat, but I'm not sure of them.
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#457385 - 10/26/09 02:38 PM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 12/16/08
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Well, if you are looking to have fun, then do it. If you are looking to earn a living, then you are probably SOL. Either one, its a way to write off fucking whores, isn't it?
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#457387 - 10/26/09 05:11 PM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 12/16/08
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^^^^^^^ I wouldn't let my dog fuck that. Maybe my horse, because I don't like him as much, and he's gelded so I wouldn't have to worry about hi knocking her up.
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#457388 - 10/26/09 06:22 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Brandon Iron might be able to give some tips about starting up and running a website. How long have his sites been active updating material (against all odds!)? I don't know if he produces his own DVDs or just markets those of others. With three sites -- cover my face, sperm cocktail and load my mouth -- he might be spreading himself thin and diluting his 'brand' but I guess it's possible to develop and exploit a niche market on the web.
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#457389 - 10/26/09 06:23 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 02/17/09
Posts: 469
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Not a chance on the 49.99 initial or 39...its 29.99 tops.
I wouldn't piss on anyones dreams, but I'm glad I'm not starting out now. As soon as you get 20 scenes done you will want the site up and get feed back. Then you can be more dynamic and alter your product to how the members want it.
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#457390 - 10/26/09 08:07 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/15/08
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Tritone, if it makes any difference, I specifically put the price point at $14.95 because it seems to be a magic number. It's significantly less than $20 dollars, and that makes it kind of a painless figure.
It's a sad fact that people will pay out for porn and then split after one month if the figure is too high. But at $14.95, that'll slide right in there amongst a credit card statement and not even raise an eyebrow. Hell, some people might even forget about it and become beautiful little zombie accounts, obediently paying you $14.95 a month without accessing any of your bandwidth. If you can nail down 1000 paying customers, that's $15,000 dollars a month. If you wisely reinvest at least $10k of that back into the business each month (Marketing, content, house mortgage, etc....) that would still leave Five grand a month buffer. Just don't get too crazy with the cocaine habit and that's plenty for anyone.
Second note, the days of inexpensive internet are coming to an end my friend. You can do HD films and photos if you like, but I think you're better off getting a good visual hook or gimmick and making some decent films. The ISP costs alone are going to be massive if you do everything in HD.
Finally, Jigaloo, dude, you seriously need to quit it or find new material. You schtick is now officially old and boring.
We're XPT dude, we demand grade A trolling. Refine your game please. Come back with something that will give Tritone an aneurism, not the weak shit you have currently brought many, many, many times.
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#457391 - 10/26/09 08:29 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 11/04/05
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Tritone,
Whilst I am but sorely tempted to jump up and down on your hot buttons, I will not.
I think you've always been cool in that respect.
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You're proposing two basic questions here.
1) What is the basic cost to set up a decent porn website that will succeed as a business.
2) Is the concept that I am floating viable?
3) How can I make a living creaming in tight assholes, warm pussies, and willing mouths?
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crew are also working for a bit less than they used to as well,
Remember, there is no "crew" except for me and the female assistant. Our environments will be nice, but mostly single room sets. She will be trained in setting up video lights and photographic strobes. She can also double as a makeup artist if for some reason we cannot secure one for the shoot. She is a close friend who also has other income so she is this venture with me for a cut of the end result. She doesn't receive a salary.
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Just a simple search on Redtube for POV inter-racial brought up 17 free videos, some of which actually looked pretty good.
I bet most of those vids are just rips from DVD content, though. Even then, I believe there are both old fashioned and even some new porn fans that want QUALITY in the porn they like. They want to see what they are used to on DVDs and big screens -- not some blocky, pixelated mush with flashing dating site & webcam chat ads in the periphery.
They want to see Giana's (Yes, she will do anal again for my site!!!) gaping, just-fucked ass in vivid HD color filling their widescreen monitors. They want to see a IN FOCUS, properly color-balanced still photo of the same thing. They are tired of porn companies taking them for granted by saying, "what the hell, it's just porn! Once they get a nut they won't care!". For a true porn addict/connosieur it's not just the NUT .. but the entire process of fantasy and ritual leading up to it.
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So is the cost reasonable now? Maybe. You wanted to rent a house and live in an apartment offsite. I'm nixing that. A house in porn valley will not be cheap and a startup business needs to run as efficiently as possible. You need to live in that house dude.
My concern with that would be security and privacy. I want a reasonable separation between MY life and the porn shooting adventure. It also makes upkeep simpler because you don't have an additional person living there adding wear and tear.
I don't want some disgruntled boyfriend of a girl I hired to know where to come back and find me. Maybe she shot some stuff and didn't tell him. And now he's pissed and wants to teach me a lesson. Or maybe they just want to rob the place. (Note: The video & still cameras will come back with me every time after the shoot. The only thing left on the premises will be lighting stuff. And that shit is too cumbersome for some amateur to steal).
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Then you need to shoot a ton of material before launch. Figure at least 12 different girls for launch with at least 6 more in the can and ready to go. If we figure on the bargain price of $700 per girl, you're looking at at least $12600 before you even open your site for business. And I'm being generous in that assessment, because whores flake out so figure on at least two of your shoots being busts.
Sounds reasonable. I was thinking 20 girls at site launch with 10 in the can. This gives me a "buffer" of 2.5 months to keep new material going. Of course, If I go with my original plan I'll have tons of content already done that I can introduce at my own pace.
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I'm not even going to guess what support staff ... lawyers fees, insurance, website maintenance and technical support, utilities and property taxes.
Again: only other production staff while shooting is the female assistant. Now maybe I won't be up to performing sometimes and I'll have to hire Bishop, Justin Long, Mr. Marcus, etc. I can see this, but it won't be a regular thing.
Editing (Using Sony Vegas) and technical stuff is all me (with sometimes assists from the female friend who I have tutored in it).
That is one area where I will save money because computer stuff has been my life for many years.
Yes, I will definitely have to find a good lawyer and someone back home who will store the 2257 records in a safe place while I shoot.
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Now for the second question. Is your concept viable?
I'm going to say no.
Hit Google, type in interracial POV. See what you get. I got 699 thousand results. A fuckton of that stuff is free too. How do you compete with that?
But other than some of Lexington Steele's POV videos, they have not been shot with the kind of quality you see in Mike John's, Michael Stefano's, or Erik Everhard's POV ventures. I've written extensively on ADT about how POV should be shot so I won't get into a bunch of details here. But in general, we need the male talent holding the camera steady and in a CENTERED position that simulates what you'd see from own eyes. A mix of closeups, medium, and full wide views that let you see the girl's face.
When they see photo stills and clips of my content on TGP pages, they will see what sets my stuff apart from the crappy DVD-recycles they see on tubes and "videobox" sites. Full down-the-center POV shots with good production values. Also hi-res POV-style photos that you'll never get from ANY DVDrip or cheap amateur with no appreciation of how stills are actually BETTER than video in some cases.
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You don't. That doesn't mean you can't do your vision, which is to have very fine whores servicing you while you try not to drop your videocamera,
Ahhh. I love the way you put that. It's quite a vision, huh?
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but on the whole, I don't feel your vision stands on it's own. You need a hook, a grabber, something to get the people to your site and then keep them there after they whip out the credit card. That means a unique high quality product that they cannot get for free or easily pirate and that they cannot get anywhere else.
Agree. I was hoping that my commitment to quality would be the selling point. High bit rate encodings. HD video. Super large hi res pics (Note - bangbros, brazzers, and reality kings have CRAP resolutionn in their stills). But I guess that's being a bit naive.
Also, while I rail against the fetishization (sp?) of IR, it actually hepls in this regard. I think IR is specialized enough that it may sell itself. It attracts black and white guys -- sometimes for different reasons.
The only problem is see is that I wonder if non-black guys will be interested in black POV even if it is with a white girl. My feeling is that they want to see IR, but not from the perspective that they are the stunt cock.
Perhaps further specialization is necessary. Maybe focus on big tits and cumming on them. Or have them always wear spandex/tight clothes. These are all of interest to me. Or maybe I should scale back and go with the easier idea of just handjobs. Now I can CONFIDENTLY say that there are NOT a lot of black/IR handjob vidoes available.
But remember, this is MY fantasy scenario (yes, freestylah, its not just fantasy I would WANT to do it if I could). I'm supposed to have a nest egg so I can afford to lose money on this venture for a while.
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In short dude, I think it's a tough row to hoe. You need a fat outlay of cash and a unique concept that about a thousand people a month are willing to pay about $14.95
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I was thinking $34.95 initial, with $29.99 recurring. Also, they can join both the black and IR POV sites for $49.99 initial, and $34.99 recurring.
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Then again, if it works out, you could be in the unique position of having to pencil in blowjob /w swallow for Tuesday morning followed by A2M for the afternoon. And get paid for it.
Hmmm. I like the sound of that.
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That's my take dude. I have 'zero' experience in the actual industry as a website operator as well so *please* take everything I say with a grain of salt. All I've got is my opinion and some educated guesses, and I hope they offer a little bit of what you were looking for.
Hey, I had fun reading your assessment. Thank you for taking the time to lay out your thoughts. And yeah, All I've got is just some perspective as a fan that has watched a gazillion hours of porn.
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#457392 - 10/27/09 06:57 AM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 05/18/09
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Loc: Midwest / Florida
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PWs have the shelf life of milk.
Brillant...9.8
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#457394 - 10/29/09 02:09 AM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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#457395 - 10/29/09 03:45 AM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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#457396 - 10/29/09 04:25 AM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/09/08
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Loc: Great Pacific Northwest
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Let's say I got rich in the dot-com boom of the late 90s / early 2000s. I decide to go to porn valley and shoot porn for about 2 years, then take all the content back home and build a website/DVD business.
If I rented a house in LA, could I book 3 girls a week to shoot with me? I'd have my own makeup artist on hand, clean bathrooms, and a female assistant at all times. Wardrobe provided for special scenes and they can keep the clothes afterwards.
What are the chances of them reliably showing up? If I pay cash right there after the deed, will this increase interest in my bookings?
I'm thinking 2 BJ scenes and one 1 fuck scene per week. Fuck scene may contain anal.
EDIT: Note -- I wouldn't live where the scenes are shot. I'd probably rent an apartment nearby. The house is just for shooting porn.
I guess I disagree with everyone here. Anything's possible if you have the dream and the ambition to make it happen, and if you keep the dream realistic. I always dream that my little pipe business will eventually be run by a bunch of illegals doing the labor while being managed by a friend I go boating with...with a bigger boat, of course. But I know that it'll never happen that way, so I'm content making some extra scratch doig something that I enjoy, is fairly cathartic and that I truly believe in.
I've entioned this a few times that I'm old enough to remember the 70's and early 80's (Golden Age, my ass...way too much focus on the dude's face) when Eric Edwards and John leslie did puff pieces in Swank and Hustler about how they were real actors and not just anybody could be "male talent". I saw that as bullshit then, and the last 10 years or so have proven me right. Hell, anyone can be talent and filmmaker. Especially if they know how to run an idiot proof cam and have a rudimentary understanding of some basic editing software. We're through the looking glass as far as content goes. There are no Jack Horners bitching that their artistic expression is being stifled. Artistic expression no amounts to pretending to pick up a girl "off the street" or have her come to an "office" looking for a gig.
We're also through the looking glass as far as the money goes. Your shit WILL be pirated, and you need to accept that as a price of doing business. With the tanking economy, and the ease of swashbuckling on the high seas of the Interwebs, the mountains of cash just aren't there anymore. That's not to money can't be made. Brandon makes a living. JM does. Paul is still going to have that gawdawful yellow monument to his own douchiness when he gets out. Creampie Cathy and Wifey still bring in a nice chunk on their own sites.
I guess the thing to ask is what your motivations are. Is this an investment, to be run like a real business? Or is it a toy you'll use to get laid, ala Jet Tits? Or a combination of the two?
Is there some reason this has to be done in LA? I'll go back to my recent preaching that I can't for the life of me figure why LA, with it's governmental nosiness (CAL- OSHA, fer instance) is the mecca of porn. I'd assume if you're in a big enough city to have a few strip joints and CL/ Backpage/ TER "escorts", that you'll have have an endless supply of transient female talent. Look at what Reality Kings has done in Florida.Love em or hate em, they've certainly made their stain, er, mark. Venture out of porn Valley, young pioneer.
Will you still have a problem with talent flaking? Yup, you will. It's the nature of the beast in this industry. Paying cash or not, female assistant or not, keeping their wardrobe (?) or not, sometimes girls will flake. Alcohol, ego, drugs, just getting up late, car troubles, whatever. It comes with the territory of 18- 25 year old lasses.
I think it can be done, because it has been done, and is being done. And will continue to be done.
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#457398 - 11/13/09 02:41 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 10/21/05
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It all sounds fine in theory, but how do you propose to stop black people from ripping off your content and posting it all over the internet on sites like 'Iloveblackcock' and 'realraptalk' amongst others? I know you have some experience with regards to illegally distributing content that you do not own, and you are black, so I was wondering whether these experiences gave you any special insights into the mind of thieving IR porn fans? 
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#457399 - 02/25/10 12:11 PM
Re: Fantasy about shooting porn scenes.
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Zip Coon
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Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 1958
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It all sounds fine in theory, but how do you propose to stop black people from ripping off your content and posting it all over the internet on sites like 'Iloveblackcock' and 'realraptalk' amongst others?
Good question.
First of all, my website will avoid some of the basic mistakes that make password cracking easy. Ever wonder why some sites almost always have their members content readily available while certain other ones are more rare? Because the rare sites were smarter when setting up password allocation and login schemes. Therefore, they much harder to penetrate using the brute force methods employed by site crackers.
Now - this won't stop legitimate members from reposting content they download, so to help on that front I will maintain an aggressive forum-watching campaign like "Nate" does at Hush Hush.
You find very little Hush-Hush stuff being shared on rapidshare, megaupload, etc.. because Nate does an excellent job at monitoring links to his content, and then getting the hosting sites to take it down. He has frustrated users so much that they don't even BOTHER trying to U/L hush-hush stuff anymore.
Again, this won't plug all the holes (USENET & torrents are still game), but it will chomp off a good bit of the "low hanging fruit", so to say. The casual downloaders will be out of luck.
Finally, I will also PARTICIPATE in the very forums where file sharing takes place. But instead of scolding them for getting freebies every now and then, I will numerous full-size samples from my hardcore photosets and even let go of a full scene every now and then. The point is ... I will get them to JONES so hard for more of my content that they will whip out that credit card for a month. They'll be forced to because their cocks will be throbbing and no "free" relief will be in sight.
...and then when they see how good it is, they won't want to stop.
Since the guys know me, they won't see me as that faceless "porn swindler" trying to get one over on them. They'll know this is TRITONE. He's one of the guys. Let's check his stuff out at least once. I'll even offer discounts to the fellas. Half of for memberships or something like that.
Just some ideas.
P.S. - And let's not single out "black people" as the sole culprits for file sharing. You know good and well it's mostly white folks uploading (& downloading) to/from pornbb.org, vintage-erotica, phun.org, etc. Wholesale sharing of porn -- IR, white-on-white, and everything in-between.
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