I interviewed sexy novelist Binnie Kirshenbaum Monday morning.

Binnie complains that people can't get past her sex scenes. That they are metaphors for loneliness et al.

She and anyone else with the same complaint don't want to face reality -- that once you introduce sex, that is the primary thing people will think about and remember from your work. Sex as metaphor only works for intellectuals and professional writers. Sex overwhelms everything else when you employ it in your writing or art.

Are the sophisticated readers of lukeisback able to watch porn movies and see them as metaphorical and existential statements about loneliness or are they primarily whack material? Do you look at Holly's beaver pictures on suze.net and contemplate what Holly and the model are trying to communicate? Or do you just imagine that model's vagina clenching around your cock?

Do you guys tend to view your sex as metaphors for loneliness or as another way that you go about communicate? Please discuss.

http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/binnie_kirshenbaum.htm

Metaphorically representing sex as anything becomes more difficult when in the visual realm, sight is our most powerful sense and sex is such a fundamental part of human nature that subtlety of message is easily lost. This is the reason I dislike features and alt-porn. When you add more than just sex into your porn it becomes just a big waste of time and money.

Sometimes sex is just sex. Why the fuck do these art fags always want to attach some greater meaning to things?

"When I jam the pen into my eye it represents my loneliness and social repression, really I'm not crazy." - art fag

If as an author you want to use sex as a metaphor you should
use the mating of animals or insects to illustrate your point, not sex between attractive human beings.

Most men, if we think about sex at all beyond how to get more, think of it in animalistic terms anyway: "black widows", "donkey punch", "doggie style", etc.

Yeah, porn and metaphors...always getting in the way.

When Annette Haven got cast then booted from Brian Depalma's Body Double because of her porn past, I'm sure she was real serious about not wanting the part anyway because her part was "too gory."

Luke = cumalloverher! Yes! I know I'm right about this. Same pleading, plaintive style. Same conflicted moralizing obsessiveness. Is anybody in agreement with me here ?

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Are the sophisticated readers of lukeisback able to watch porn movies and see them as metaphorical and existential statements about loneliness or are they primarily whack material? Do you look at Holly's beaver pictures on suze.net and contemplate what Holly and the model are trying to communicate? Or do you just imagine that model's vagina clenching around your cock?

Do you guys tend to view your sex as metaphors for loneliness or as another way that you go about communicate? Please discuss.

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I don't think the only metaphor for sex found in pornography is loneliness, I think you're bringing in your own morality there. However, as to whether we are intellectual enough to see porn as anything beyond "whack material", I think the existence of XPT and the posters here show that clearly we do. There's enough mental masturbation here about the how and why of porn to counteract any actual masturbation...

I feel like I want to, but I don't discount that. I think about boxing, and how on the one hand the real high is the moment and watching individuals who you follow take punishments and dish them out. But the "sport" is only truly compelling because it has an elemental and metaphorical dimension- nothing intellectual, but rather something fuzzily sensed. Metaphors aren't only a literary conceit. Our subconscious breeds them prodigiously, and irritates us with them with no explanation. This is the only way I can account for the troglodytes at JM coming up with those tight, relentless closeups of UPSIDEDOWN female heads submitting inexplicably to preposterously pistoning peni. Is it a metaphor? It has to be, or else I would not be so upset and pulled everywhicha way.