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#88107 - 02/27/05 08:03 PM David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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DAC quote taken from lukeford.com:

"Gregory Dark hit his stride with New Wave Hookers 2... one of my favorite adult movies along with John Leslie's Raw Meat and Radley Metzger's Misty Beethoven. Gregory is not influential. Few people understand his stuff because it's so dark and intellectual."


So, unbenownst to him I once met David Aaron Clark in 93 at an Annie Sprinkle performance in NYC. He seemed cool for a fat raincoat creep journalist, but there was an air of arrogance that emanated from him like creepy b.o. Of course, he was covering the "event" for Screw at that time, but to me reading Screw was like staring at the scrawl on bathroom stalls. Meaning, I never really bothered to buy it b/c who would stoopidly drop good 'ol dirty dough scratched together for glossy pink cooze glints in all color porn magazines for Al Slobstein’s over-priced perverted N.Y. Post w/ some insights to sleaze and personal ads for city call girls which meant zilch in the suburbs. Basically, it was an overpriced Village Voice about sex. BORING!
Eventually, as his bio sez Clark moved out to Frisco and started directing. One of his "works" I glanced at was Poison Candy mainly b/c I liked Eden Rae, so all you really need to know about that "movie" was it has awful camera work and banal sex plus that idiot Kid Vegas. It made me hit eject in a New York second. The only other abomination I saw of his was Salome De Luxxx, I don't know why, but the pretentiously moronic name alone should have stopped me...
Anyway, onto the task at hand and not sully this Gregory Dark defence w/ Clark's hapless antics, but much of today's extreme porn and over the top gonzo owes more to Dark (unconsciously maybe) in subject matter and towards pushing the envelope of taboo to extensions of boundries that reflect the current frustrations of a culture constantly hurtling on the highways towards decline which is great for depravity. Dark had already hit his high water mark w/ the original New Wave Hookers and it IS the BEST porn movie of all time shot on film and meant to be watched on a big screen in murky Deuce-like theaters through cig smoke haze and foul lube in the air. Sure, I only saw it on early VHS, but it still brought that sleazy vibe described above to my sunroom at night shades pulled tight. Sadly, years later I’d think New Wave Hookers 2 was a disaster actually though his perverse fascination w/ the psychological facets of his performers through brilliantly scripted likewise visually skewed scenarios he got the most even out of the least motivated whores around. The bare bones thing perverts probably grasped on a primal level about Dark was his evil eye for detail and ability to capture his subjects in action through the growing artistic contempt of his final years in porn aptly revealed in The Shocking Truth 2 w/ gal pal dominatrix Star Chandler. Ironically, one his last works yet his BEST gonzo movie right before he ditched porn towards greener pasture$ in made for MTV videos. Yeah, I thought Rob Black's early movies aped Dark's style, but that irreverant maniac Black has lost his touch since then. Don't worry, he'll find it again hopefully through Salome aka Kami.
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#88108 - 02/27/05 10:02 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless
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Your Subject line was too long so I shortened it.

DAC seems to be a wannabe, a not-quite-is, and a never-really-was - A Bill Marigold for for the 21st century. Someone who knows many more people in the industry than in turn know him...

His latest trick is claiming on ADT to know Khan Tusion so well that dac is familiar with the details of Khan's childhood. This in the context of armchair psychoanalysis claiming that MeatHoles is a product of Khan's childhood...
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#88109 - 02/28/05 07:32 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless
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Clark is one of the maybe 1-3 people on the internet who I actually dislike. All that can be said about him has already been said.

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#88110 - 02/28/05 09:19 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless
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Quote:



DAC seems to be a wannabe, a not-quite-is, and a never-really-was - A Bill Marigold for for the 21st century.




This quote sez it all.Well done.
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#88111 - 02/28/05 09:45 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Clueless is right. Gregory Dark is the father of contemporary pornography. We suffered through all the masks and cretinously arty editing tricks so we could watch the women in his films to get fucked to the point of resistance. He was ahead of his time and the fruits of his labors are now being harvested heartlessly in an assembly line fashion, the pretentions and production values boiled away so we can get just what we really want. Porn, at its best and most essential, is all the thrills of rape and none of the legal difficulties. Plus you can play it over and over. And over. Again.

Thanks,
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#88112 - 03/01/05 09:46 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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thanks for you input simp.
your articulate well reasoned analysis features a near academic knowledge of pornography in a historical context along w/ a sociopathic lack of empathy for human emotions revealed in a morbid fascination w/ women degraded for puposes of physiological and intellectual arousal. It proves a perverse truth to your intellect and fuels those misogynistic fantasies exposed in your bizarre yet amusing infrequent posts.

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#88113 - 03/01/05 10:54 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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David Aaron Clark is a fucking windbag. There's nothing more annoying than marginally schooled people parading their "education" around like it were a showdog poodle Sorry, I didn't get to matriculate at Talahassee Community College like you Aaron, so my opinion is worthless I guess. Furthermore, he is even more physically repellant than me, something I thought impossible.
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#88114 - 03/01/05 11:43 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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All I needed to see was that he wrote for the Targum @ Rutgers and that ain't a compliment. Basically from what I've seen at school newspapers usually made me avoid em through disgust b/c usually the clowns at those College rags are usually know it alls with big fat insatiable egos to feed w/o out the puny skills to back it up. I think this fact pretty much probably sums up fatso DAC today and yesterday.
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#88115 - 03/02/05 09:41 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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He does seem to like the sound of his own voice but every once in a while I am able to pull some useful info from his posts- so for that I must give him a little credit. He seems to know quite a bit about asian porn and mainstream movies but I agree that his writing style is not to my taste.
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#88116 - 03/02/05 10:59 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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The slob really needs to step back and look at his own porn before he gets too impressed w/ himself.
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#88117 - 03/03/05 05:05 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Registered: 04/21/03
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There's nothing more annoying than marginally schooled people parading their "education" around like it were a showdog poodle Sorry, I didn't get to matriculate at Talahassee Community College like you Aaron,




Actually, it's got two Ls: Tallahassee.

Yeah, that's a crappy school. A lot of my friends went there!

Actually, dac has shot some decent porno but he makes a terrible first impression. I think he merely thrives on being opinionated. Gee, how novel in this business, huh? More the merrier.

I don't get the Greg Dark comment. At the time you had 3 tangents: Andrew Blake gloss, Buttman gonzo and Dark Bros. weirdness/extreme costume psychodrama shock edit goo fests. They made the hottest porn there was in the mid-80s and early '90s, and I did see New Wave Hookers in a nasty old theater with smoke in the air and the stale funk of semen-crusted floors, back when Traci was still jailbait (and the film had not been edited, as it was later).

H0ly crap! Good shit -- and it still is.



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#88118 - 03/03/05 06:16 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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The stupid Gregory Dark comment was made by that jackass DAC. It's cool that you saw NWH in a theatre and seem to know something about Dark, but the fact you defend DAC's porn makes that meaningless to me. Yeah, I could write the book on being opinionated, but I think I can honestly say that my eyebrows prolly know more about Nora Kuzma than you'll ever know. Here are 3 questions for you smarty pants: Who said anything about Andrew Blake? Who'd bother to watch the edited version of New Wave Hookers? Who the fuck are you kidding?
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#88119 - 03/04/05 06:59 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Goddamn! Is this the new Smut? He's leaving wreckage all over the board.

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#88120 - 03/04/05 09:20 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Goddamn! Is this the new Smut? He's leaving wreckage all over the board.






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#88121 - 03/04/05 09:35 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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shhhhhh Jeff, that was suposed to be a secret.
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#88122 - 03/04/05 06:16 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
Vukmir Vukmir Offline
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The stupid Gregory Dark comment was made by that jackass DAC. It's cool that you saw NWH in a theatre and seem to know something about Dark, but the fact you defend DAC's porn makes that meaningless to me. Yeah, I could write the book on being opinionated, but I think I can honestly say that my eyebrows prolly know more about Nora Kuzma than you'll ever know. Here are 3 questions for you smarty pants: Who said anything about Andrew Blake? Who'd bother to watch the edited version of New Wave Hookers? Who the fuck are you kidding?






What the fuck are you talking about?
Or is this your DAC impersonation?

I was elaborating on why DAC's comment was stupid by saying that Greg was one of the three influential things going on in porn in the late 80s/and into the early 90s: slicked up Blake videos, gonzo and Dark's surreal grand guignol porn. That's pretty simple, right? A little context to make DAC's comment sound even stupider. What is your issue with that? Fuck, motherfucker, I'm AGREEING with you.

I have only seen a few recent DAC titles. They're not mndblowing but they don't suck, either. Some of the Asian cuties he finds are fun to watch. I wish he wouldn't do POV scenes with his bulging gut, but when he sits behind the camera and lets Surewood or Marcus do the dirty work, it's OK stuff -- the scene with Ava Devine and Kylie Rey in one of those Korean gang bang flicks is actually very hot. But all that said, he's not way up on my list.

I doubt anyone would want to watch the edited version of NWH. Was that a topic in dispute? Still, it would be worth watching for Ginger Lynn's DP with Tom Byron and some other dude whose name escapes me (I'm sure you know who that is, or perhaps your eyebrows do).

Lastly, you have no clue who the fuck I am, so don't presume what I know or don't know. I could probably have Greg Dark himself on the phone before midnight if I needed to.

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#88123 - 03/04/05 10:10 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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I don't get the Greg Dark comment. At the time you had 3 tangents: Andrew Blake gloss, Buttman gonzo and Dark Bros. weirdness/extreme costume psychodrama shock edit goo fests. They made the hottest porn there was in the mid-80s and early '90s, and I did see New Wave Hookers in a nasty old theater with smoke in the air and the stale funk of semen-crusted floors, back when Traci was still jailbait (and the film had not been edited, as it was later).

H0ly crap! Good shit -- and it still is.





I may be dense, but who's the "you" referring to?

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#88124 - 03/05/05 09:27 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
Vukmir Vukmir Offline
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collective abstract 'you."

How about .... "At that time, in porn, there were three styles that would become influential over what would follow: Blake, blah blah; gonzo, blah blah, and Dark ..."

I'm not sure what's so hard to get. "You" does not mean you personally Smutmutant, it means anyone at that time watching porn.


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#88125 - 03/05/05 10:02 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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ahh fuck it. the abstract "you" was the crux.... let's move on, crunk. my bad your bad who cares....
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#88126 - 03/05/05 04:41 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Yeah .... back to DAC-bashing.

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#88127 - 03/05/05 05:16 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
Cleetus VanDamme Offline
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It is too inflammatory a subject- what say we talk about jazz
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#88128 - 03/05/05 05:20 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Posts: 6005
Loc: travieso capital management an...
in the name of the jew/jap god of violence i demand resumed hostilities.
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#88129 - 03/05/05 05:27 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
Cleetus VanDamme Offline
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Well since you incurred the name of Kyoto- I agree
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#88130 - 03/05/05 05:57 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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kyoto is a rabid kitten that I 'd run over w/a Hummer given the chance, so keep that pussy out of this... I'd rather get back to trashing DAC who recently got a deal w/ Video Team to release more of his tepid asian lesbian bore-noir. I'd rather see Kami behind a lens than that fat sack o' pig's guts... You listening Rob Black?
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#88131 - 03/06/05 06:43 AM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Registered: 04/21/04
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"bore-noir"

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#88132 - 03/06/05 01:57 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 675
Loc: Belgrade
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"bore-noir"






Gotta steal that. Mutant, you should get a TM on that one --

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#88133 - 03/06/05 11:18 PM Re: David Aaron Clark clueless about Gregory Dark
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Yeah Crunk, I've got a whole glossary that I should copyright, but for now we'll have to settle for a mental snapshot of DAC next to "bore-noir" in the Smutmutant online Dicktionary.
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