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#87860 - 02/24/05 05:23 PM
The Smoking Fetish
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ADT regular
Registered: 02/24/05
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Please, let some "mover and shaker," from the adult film industry, read and "act" on this rant. I want to know, why scenes of women smoking cigarettes, are more rare in porn films, than on the Disney Channel? Thanks to anti-smoking pressures in America, more men than ever before, have joined our "smokerhood,"--that coined term for men who get a sexual "boost" just by seeing an attractive, shapely woman, place a looong cigarette between her lips. either in films, still pictures or real life. The eroticism of smoking, is intensely oral, of course. Unfortunately, very few of our "smokerhood" have anything to do with directing or producing sexually explicit movies. Thus, what I, and I know, "all" of our smokerhood, would like to see is the incorporation of frequent female smoking scenes in adult films. Main-stream Holywood, has used the cigarette for decades, in order to accentuate the sexuality of a particular female character role. Yet, the adult film industry, a medium which owes its total existence to "bad/woman girl imagery, seldom utilizes smoking scenes, to personify that character, either in feature films or gonzo. Should anyone seek to respond to this query here, please do not point out the obvious heath/nusiance factor of smoking in our society. That arguement, has been "run in the ground," far too many times. The simple fact, is that well over 80% of the women making porn films today, smoke,in their personal life. Should anyone doubt this, attend the adult film industry convention in Las Vegas, and see for yourself. The second uncontested fact, is that "millions" of men, are sexually attracted to women who smoke. So, how about it, porn directors out there. Will you, "please" make the effort to incorporate female smoking scenes in your future films???? Right now, only two major adult film directors, Skeeter and Bridget Kerkove, appear to have "grasped" the inherent sexuality of our smoking fetish. But, even they have apparently been told to "cool it" by some anti-smoking producers. For whatever its worth, I assure you, for evry dedicated non-smoking activist, I can show you a smokerhood brother (many, who are non-smokers, like myself) who feel just as adamant, and frankly, frustrated, that the adult film industry has "kowtowed" to "political correctness," and as another smoke fetishist once wrote, "the dictatorial power of AVN's Paul Fishbein, the self-appointed Health Czar of the adult film industry.
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#87861 - 02/24/05 06:19 PM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 483
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Please, let some "mover and shaker," from the adult film industry, read and "act" on this rant. I want to know, why scenes of women smoking cigarettes, are more rare in porn films, than on the Disney Channel? Thanks to anti-smoking pressures in America, more men than ever before, have joined our "smokerhood,"--that coined term for men who get a sexual "boost" just by seeing an attractive, shapely woman, place a looong cigarette between her lips. either in films, still pictures or real life. The eroticism of smoking, is intensely oral, of course. Unfortunately, very few of our "smokerhood" have anything to do with directing or producing sexually explicit movies. Thus, what I, and I know, "all" of our smokerhood, would like to see is the incorporation of frequent female smoking scenes in adult films. Main-stream Holywood, has used the cigarette for decades, in order to accentuate the sexuality of a particular female character role. Yet, the adult film industry, a medium which owes its total existence to "bad/woman girl imagery, seldom utilizes smoking scenes, to personify that character, either in feature films or gonzo. Should anyone seek to respond to this query here, please do not point out the obvious heath/nusiance factor of smoking in our society. That arguement, has been "run in the ground," far too many times. The simple fact, is that well over 80% of the women making porn films today, smoke,in their personal life. Should anyone doubt this, attend the adult film industry convention in Las Vegas, and see for yourself. The second uncontested fact, is that "millions" of men, are sexually attracted to women who smoke. So, how about it, porn directors out there. Will you, "please" make the effort to incorporate female smoking scenes in your future films???? Right now, only two major adult film directors, Skeeter and Bridget Kerkove, appear to have "grasped" the inherent sexuality of our smoking fetish. But, even they have apparently been told to "cool it" by some anti-smoking producers. For whatever its worth, I assure you, for evry dedicated non-smoking activist, I can show you a smokerhood brother (many, who are non-smokers, like myself) who feel just as adamant, and frankly, frustrated, that the adult film industry has "kowtowed" to "political correctness," and as another smoke fetishist once wrote, "the dictatorial power of AVN's Paul Fishbein, the self-appointed Health Czar of the adult film industry.
Luke Ford also has a write up at his site about this very subject.
Usually the behind the scenes of DVDs are the first place I go for this very reason. I gave up a long time ago skimming through movies looking for scenes with porn chicks smoking because it just ain't happenin'. Porn directors, outside of Max and Skeeter, just aren't interested in shooting this fetish.
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#87863 - 02/26/05 05:33 AM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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ADT regular
Registered: 02/24/05
Posts: 5
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There is NOTHING even remotely sexy about a woman, no matter how gorgeous, smoking (or trying to) a cigar. The vast majority of smoke fetishist, share this view with me. A lady's slender hands and fingers, were never meant to handle the bulk and shape of a cigar,and thus, she looks more comical than sexy, imho. THAT is why, smoking fetish newsgroups, where our smokerhood--the HUGE fraternity of smoke fetishist-- share info and pxs on women who smoke, are divided between cigar and cigarette smoking. Mr. Steward, I have seen ALL of your films, hoping that youall would someday get the message, to NO AVAIL. For instance, your "Dirty White Whore" series, would be a natural vehicle for cigarette smoking scenes, and the FEW times you film such scenarios, you put on, what we in the smokerhood call, a SAFARI!---you have to HUNT, to even see the cigarette and the smoking action. Check it out, if you don't believe me. In your FEW smoking scenes, the camera man NEVER utilizes the "tight shot" facial angle (which is SO SEXY) to our fetish, because, that loooong white tube, going into the woman's mouth, is NOT her cigarette, but the promise of blow jobs dancing in our heads, a HELL of a lot better than sugar plums, to parody on the Christmas Story, and to borrow, the phrase from a fellow smokerhood brother, from another forum. NO! my friend, your production company, does not have a CLUE, about how to make a smoking fetish scene or film, which will get and HOLD our attention. Your performers, for the most part, are slender, small breasted GIRLS, and rarely full bodied (not fat) WOMEN. Granted, you've used some very sexy WOMEN in the past, such as Michelle Raven, but instead of exploiting their sexuality, you dress them DOWN, both in style and age. Then, to make matters worse, your camera man forces us to go on a SAFARI, to even FIND the damn smoking scene. Now, should you REALLY be interested in creating a sexy smoking scenario for us, remember these few things-- First, cigarettes ONLY (no holders), and loooong all whites, for even cork tips, and brown papered detracts from the ORAL imagery (described above).....Second, use TIGHT camera shots, and FOCUS on the objects of our interest, the cigarette, and the lips of the woman (not some teenybopper) as she lights up, inhales and exhales, in other words, the ENTIRE sexy smoking cycle. Finally, STAY with the smoking action, don't let your camera man ruin the effect, by cutting away to some peripheral view, JUST, as the cigarette, reaches the woman's lips. I have searched (along with a great many other men) long and hard, for really EFFECTIVE smoking scenarios in porn, and SADLY, they have been few and far between. As I wrote in my first post, Bridget and Skeeter Kerkove, come closer than anyone making main stream porn, but I have the opinion, probably some ###*** (every curse word imaginable) producer, kowtowing (to AVN's health edicts) told them to "cool it" because the last films directed by both of the Kerkove's offered very little for our fetish to enjoy. The VERY BEST smoking fetish productions imho, are the efforts of a small independent company called Bob's Videos, but unfortunately, few of his films find their way to local retail outlets for rent, and we are forced to pay HEAVY BUCKS to buy them through the mail. At this time, a company called Kick Ass Pictures, puts a line of smoking fetish material on the open market, but, they often commit the UNPARDONABLE sin, of using performers, who are not even smokers, in their personal life, and more often than not, should be preparing for the senior prom, instead of making a porn film. Sadly, for us, Mr. Steward, your company, doesn't understand, or appreciate, the ENORMITY of the smoking fetish today, and your past films have proven it. But, don't feel too badly, NO ONE making main stream porn (either gonzo or features) today, REALLY understands our fetish. As I stated, Skeeter and Bridget, come closer than anyone, but even they, don't LINGER on the woman's smoking action enough, even though the smoking finesse of Bridget, is among the BEST I've seen on film. In conclusion, (and this is wishful thinking, because it will probably NEVER be shown in a main stream porn film) what is intensely erotic to our smokerhood, is the REAL blowjob-- fellatio & smoking. Every lady, I have "enjoyed" in my personal life, found it an extremely satisfying form of sexual foreplay, and for we men inflicted with "smokeitis," it is an EXTREME turnon. Despite seeing, literally thousands of porn films over the years, I have NEVER found such a scene, from a main stream porn company. If Skeeter happens to read this, PLEASE! put Bridget's beautiful blonde features, together with a loooong all-white cigarette, and two big black men, and you've got a scene for the ages.
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#87864 - 02/26/05 05:55 AM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 483
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Oh, okay, you're one of those "If I don't like it, then nobody else should either" guys
Instead of looking the gift-horse in the mouth, take these scenes where you can get them. Seriously, you're detailing a personal fantasy, while at the same time, pissing off at least one producer who sought to fulfill the fetish, as Jeff did.
Dude, what are you expecting, Jeff to shoot more of it, when you're more or less saying that he doesn't know jack shit?
You piss off the few producers that are shooting these types of scenes, and you're not going to get any at all.
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#87865 - 02/26/05 04:06 PM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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Whoremaster
Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 2742
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you guys should checl out Smoke Junkies by Marie Madison http://www.mariemadison.com
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#87866 - 02/26/05 07:38 PM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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ADT regular
Registered: 02/24/05
Posts: 5
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DUDE: If the people in porn, can't take constructive (and even destructive) criticism, they're in the wrong business. I express my extreme FRUSTRATION, in the hope that, it will hit the target area, mainly adult film directors out there, who, for the most part, are more interested in pleasing the "pot-bellied potentate of porn" pontificating (and defecating) Paul FISHBIN, whose minnion of minnows at AVN have "flamed" out cigarette smoking scenes in their movie reviews, for as long as I can remember. You, yourself, expressed the difficulty at finding female smoking scenarios, in the adult films of today. WELL, sugar and honey has NOT worked--I've tried that over the years, personally writing my kind requests to a great number of porn directors out there. You see, where that approach has gone. Now, its time for the VINEGAR!
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#87867 - 02/27/05 11:44 AM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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Registered: 02/27/05
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As someone else with the fetish, I have to jump in here.
First, Marie Madison has got it right! Finally, a smoke fetish video where you get to see the women smoking. The only suggestions I can make to her would be to lay off the marlboro reds and smoke a long white cig, and when doing a girl-girl scene have the ladies share a cig, smokey kisses, etc.
The kick ass/Ty Endicot movies don't cut it. One big problem is that the lighting is bad so that you can't see the smoke. The other thing, as was already pointed out, is that some of the girls don't seem to be smokers IRL. I was never sure if that was it or if Endicot tells the girls not to inhale so that there is a greater volume of smoke comming from their mouths - which due to the poor lighting you can't see so the point is moot.
Off topic here - Kami, you were real hot in MMM's The Dress Code. Better than most of the spanking vid's out there.
mongo - a 2 bit smut peddler out here in red state 'merika
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#87868 - 02/27/05 11:50 AM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 483
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The kick ass/Ty Endicot movies don't cut it.
Hey, I like Ty's stuff. His distinct fetish of getting girls to smoke while he fucks them is quite hot in my opinion. Plus, he always gets the newest (and hottest) girls. To me, what else can you ask for?
And his lighting, and editing, is top notch. I think he's doing a great job.
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#87869 - 02/27/05 03:25 PM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 05/06/04
Posts: 300
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There is NOTHING even remotely sexy about a woman, no matter how gorgeous, smoking (or trying to) a cigar. The vast majority of smoke fetishist, share this view with me. A lady's slender hands and fingers, were never meant to handle the bulk and shape of a cigar,and thus, she looks more comical than sexy, imho. THAT is why, smoking fetish newsgroups, where our smokerhood--the HUGE fraternity of smoke fetishist-- share info and pxs on women who smoke, are divided between cigar and cigarette smoking. Mr. Steward, I have seen ALL of your films, hoping that youall would someday get the message, to NO AVAIL. For instance, your "Dirty White Whore" series, would be a natural vehicle for cigarette smoking scenes, and the FEW times you film such scenarios, you put on, what we in the smokerhood call, a SAFARI!---you have to HUNT, to even see the cigarette and the smoking action. Check it out, if you don't believe me. In your FEW smoking scenes, the camera man NEVER utilizes the "tight shot" facial angle (which is SO SEXY) to our fetish, because, that loooong white tube, going into the woman's mouth, is NOT her cigarette, but the promise of blow jobs dancing in our heads, a HELL of a lot better than sugar plums, to parody on the Christmas Story, and to borrow, the phrase from a fellow smokerhood brother, from another forum. NO! my friend, your production company, does not have a CLUE, about how to make a smoking fetish scene or film, which will get and HOLD our attention. Your performers, for the most part, are slender, small breasted GIRLS, and rarely full bodied (not fat) WOMEN. Granted, you've used some very sexy WOMEN in the past, such as Michelle Raven, but instead of exploiting their sexuality, you dress them DOWN, both in style and age. Then, to make matters worse, your camera man forces us to go on a SAFARI, to even FIND the damn smoking scene. Now, should you REALLY be interested in creating a sexy smoking scenario for us, remember these few things-- First, cigarettes ONLY (no holders), and loooong all whites, for even cork tips, and brown papered detracts from the ORAL imagery (described above).....Second, use TIGHT camera shots, and FOCUS on the objects of our interest, the cigarette, and the lips of the woman (not some teenybopper) as she lights up, inhales and exhales, in other words, the ENTIRE sexy smoking cycle. Finally, STAY with the smoking action, don't let your camera man ruin the effect, by cutting away to some peripheral view, JUST, as the cigarette, reaches the woman's lips. I have searched (along with a great many other men) long and hard, for really EFFECTIVE smoking scenarios in porn, and SADLY, they have been few and far between. As I wrote in my first post, Bridget and Skeeter Kerkove, come closer than anyone making main stream porn, but I have the opinion, probably some ###*** (every curse word imaginable) producer, kowtowing (to AVN's health edicts) told them to "cool it" because the last films directed by both of the Kerkove's offered very little for our fetish to enjoy. The VERY BEST smoking fetish productions imho, are the efforts of a small independent company called Bob's Videos, but unfortunately, few of his films find their way to local retail outlets for rent, and we are forced to pay HEAVY BUCKS to buy them through the mail. At this time, a company called Kick Ass Pictures, puts a line of smoking fetish material on the open market, but, they often commit the UNPARDONABLE sin, of using performers, who are not even smokers, in their personal life, and more often than not, should be preparing for the senior prom, instead of making a porn film. Sadly, for us, Mr. Steward, your company, doesn't understand, or appreciate, the ENORMITY of the smoking fetish today, and your past films have proven it. But, don't feel too badly, NO ONE making main stream porn (either gonzo or features) today, REALLY understands our fetish. As I stated, Skeeter and Bridget, come closer than anyone, but even they, don't LINGER on the woman's smoking action enough, even though the smoking finesse of Bridget, is among the BEST I've seen on film. In conclusion, (and this is wishful thinking, because it will probably NEVER be shown in a main stream porn film) what is intensely erotic to our smokerhood, is the REAL blowjob-- fellatio & smoking. Every lady, I have "enjoyed" in my personal life, found it an extremely satisfying form of sexual foreplay, and for we men inflicted with "smokeitis," it is an EXTREME turnon. Despite seeing, literally thousands of porn films over the years, I have NEVER found such a scene, from a main stream porn company. If Skeeter happens to read this, PLEASE! put Bridget's beautiful blonde features, together with a loooong all-white cigarette, and two big black men, and you've got a scene for the ages.
Cliff notes?
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#87870 - 03/18/09 09:20 AM
Re: The Smoking Fetish
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 03/17/09
Posts: 90
Loc: Vapina Space (Mtl, Qc, Cdn)
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Let's hope I don't get anyone in too much trouble here...
There's a MTL-based company here who releases compilations every other month. A few years ago Jules Jordan came down to MTL with 2 US Marshalls to close this company down because they would illegally bootleg his material without permission and then re-distribute it.
In any case;
One of these compilations I found used in a video shop; I bought the DVD because recent memory served that they often incorporated Peter North older scenes within their material, something (like JM Productions) which is incredibly difficult to find in MTL.
Anyway;
One scene in this DVD has a fetish PVC-clad gorgeous Czech brunnette chick performing fellatio AND smoking a cigarette throughout the entire length of the blowjob sequence.
Picture this; the guy's rock hard laying on his back, dick point general upwards. The lady holds the cock with one hand and takes a big puff of smoke with the other, and before she can exhale, she blows the guy, exhaling the cigarette smoke through her nostrils and directly onto the cock. This goes on for a good 5 (or more) minutes.
This scene alone re-ignited my own lust after the smoking fetish, especially since this was, for me at least, my first real exposure to a properly executed smoking fetish scene including the sex act itself.
My wife used to blow me while smoking simultaneously, but we had to stop after we had a few near misses which would have resulted in disastrous consequences...
Cheers, thanks for the thread!
Butterman
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