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#80460 - 01/21/05 08:09 AM
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Why they make this guy out to be some kind of genius and porn antithesis is baffling to me. Growing up I could not stand this guy's writing, the porn he wrote about and the porn he made. He was the status quo, not a counterpoint to the bullshit.
Jim had a lot of flaws, number one being that he was a racist, but when it came to porn, he knew his shit!
I always sort of thought of him as the Quentin Tarantino of porn -- as his knowledge of everything adult film stretched far and wide, dating back to earliest days of the industry. I personally love listening to the audio commentary during his movies as he was always rich with info regarding just about every performer and every trinket of his, or other, porn productions.
You might dislike Holliday Mr. Mutant, but I know I'm going to miss him.
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#80461 - 01/21/05 11:53 AM
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without the jim hollidays and other undeservingly pretentious people, there wouldn't be much to make fun of.
tarantino is garbage though.
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#80464 - 01/21/05 03:37 PM
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I have to agree with the rainman comment minus the part that rainman is good at math.
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#80465 - 01/21/05 04:06 PM
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I always sort of thought of him as the Quentin Tarantino of porn
Do not ever put "______ of porn," where "______" equals someone fairly successful in an artistic sense. This is porn. There are no Orson Welles of Porn, or Martin Scorceses of Porn.
This might be an exception. Jim Holiday was most likely the Rainman of Porn.
I wasn't thinking in an artistic sense.
I was speaking that Holliday equals Tarantino in his love and knowledge of the field that he has chosen as a career -- the movies.
Tarantino, for me, represents a man who loves and adores the cinema. A man who has nothing but enthusiasm for films and the actors that appear in those films.
Holliday, for me, represented the same thing, but in the porno landscape.
Of course Tarantino and Holliday aren't in the same league in an artistic sense.
Tarantino is an artist.
Holliday is a pornographer.
But as devotees (and fans) of their particular cinematic field, they were equals.
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#80466 - 01/21/05 04:13 PM
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without the jim hollidays and other undeservingly pretentious people, there wouldn't be much to make fun of.
tarantino is garbage though.
Tarantino has done more to change the look of the movies than any other artist in the last decade.
I'd say he's hardly 'garbage'.
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#80470 - 01/24/05 04:00 PM
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Battle Royale or is that too obscure?
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#80472 - 01/24/05 04:06 PM
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BR but BR2 is far too obscure  ( and it sucked hard )
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#80473 - 01/24/05 04:56 PM
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Fuckin' great, the thread has turned into a battle over Tarantino who steals his ideas from obscure foreign releases.
Every director/writer steals ideas from other directors or movies they've seen. Tarantino was just smart about it.
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#80475 - 01/24/05 05:38 PM
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Fuckin' great, the thread has turned into a battle over Tarantino who steals his ideas from obscure foreign releases.
Every director/writer steals ideas from other directors or movies they've seen. Tarantino was just smart about it.
not that smart, he got caught.
Got caught?
Tarantino championed 'City on Fire' from the moment Reservoir Dogs hit Cannes. He never shyed away from the fact that he borrows from the movies he loves. Other directors steal ideas all the time - but nobody points a spotlight. Kinji Fukasaku, director of Battle Royale told a Japanese magazine that he stole the threeway stand-off from Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. Stephen Soderbergh, a darling of the critics, has churned out with his last half dozen movies nothing but remakes - but nobody points out that he's stealing, or is a hack, no, they simply nominate him for Oscar after Oscar because of his vision. What fucking vision? At least Tarantino works a story around an idea, rather than copying the idea forthright.
As for his own originality, what he did with Pulp Fiction, the non-linear timeline, wrapping in on itself in two distinct point of view scenarios - that was fucking genius. Sorry, but there weren't that many mainstream directors doing that stuff before QT. Plus, Tarantino's only directorial training came from watching - and loving - the movies. Too many people in Hollywood only love themselves, and can't pull their head out of their ass long enough to find something original to create, see Stephen Soderbergh.
Tarantino has also used his position in the media to champion all types of movies from the most obscure to the mainstream. I personally believe he has done a lot more for film than people give him credit for, including bringing to light some rare gems like Hero, Drunken Master and Switchblade Sisters. I think he should be applauded for his effort, vision and originality.
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#80477 - 01/24/05 07:02 PM
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He is no fag but IMO he is a very good director but not great- He did put a spotlight on asian cinema for the masses- which in turn made it slightly easier for me to get better prints of certain movies like Hero on dvd so I say  to QT
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