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#78429 - 01/10/05 01:41 PM
What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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Saw on www.lukeisback.com (good prop from there again, SM)that people think the ftc was prowling the convention floor AND the "major boards". I know the fact it's on that site doesn't mean squat, but when I followed the links all the references were to people being served warrants for sending spam. 1st, is xpt considered a "major board"? 2nd, if so, I've already seen the bureau over a post I made in jest on awop. Do ftc folks have any better sense of humor?
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#78430 - 01/10/05 02:28 PM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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FTC jurisdiction might be things like handling credit card fraud or even consumer data privacy (one company that handled a lot of billing for porn sites failed and sold a lot of private data to spammers).
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#78433 - 01/10/05 03:08 PM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 10/09/04
Posts: 1176
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Saw on www.lukeisback.com (good prop from there again, SM)that people think the ftc was prowling the convention floor AND the "major boards". I know the fact it's on that site doesn't mean squat, but when I followed the links all the references were to people being served warrants for sending spam.
If that's what it's all about, then great. This is long overdue.
For a few years now I have been running my own simple spam tracking system. I own a domain and allocate new unique email addresses to every single company I have any sort of dealings with. Each address is used exclusively for communication between me and that company, and never disclosed by me to anyone else. If I receive any spam to one of these addresses, it can only have come either directly from that company, or from them passing on my address to a spammer.
I have been getting hits from the following sites:
- absolutekim.com (Don't ask, I don't know what I was thinking either.
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- atmbabes.com
- captainstabbin.com
- climaxcorner.com (Just spotted this one, I'm still a member. Mental note: leech as much content as possible then cancel.)
- hotmovies.com
- realgirlsonfilm.com
- sinnistar.com
- topshelfpussy.com
Porn sites with a clean record so far:
- oralamber.com
- private.com.
(This could still change - it was over a year after my cancellation that I started getting hits to the captainstabbin.com address.)
So there you have it. Based on my experiences, 80% of porn sites cooperate with spammers. It should be noted that billing companies are also in the loop with the email address, so it's possible that in some cases they are the villians and the sites are unwitting participants. Either way, some of these companies and the lowlifes who run them need to get busted, busted HARD, like put out of business. It's the only thing that will force the industry to take notice and clean up.
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#78434 - 01/10/05 03:09 PM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 8662
Loc: In a k1ng like state of medioc...
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You can thank me, since the kerkavoes ran up a 10 grand bill on my CC when i joined their site briefly in 2001.
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#78435 - 01/10/05 04:55 PM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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When I actually read what website operators have said--about deliberately making it hard to cancel, about screwing over their customers as much as possible--and that they've written it down, discuss bulk emailing and "bulletproof hosting" so casually...
I've never been screwed by a porn web site. I've never found it difficult to cancel.
However, their credit card processors are another story. I had one try to slip in a charge a couple of year ago, and when another went out of business they sold their email list from all porn sites they handled to spammers, even expired accounts.
The banks, incidentally, don't care about credit card fraud because they never lose any money. If the cardholder won't pay the merchant gets nothing - the only one who never loses is the bank. That's why you can never get a bank interested in pursuing a fraudulent charge on your card.
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#78437 - 01/10/05 09:55 PM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 8662
Loc: In a k1ng like state of medioc...
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I had a dream last night that i was driving along an empty road when i see todd hunter (who i believe to be jrv) walking on the side of the road and the card turns sharply and hits him even though i didn't want it to and tried to swerve but the car wouldn't let me, and i was telling the police, it wasn't me, it was the car. I promise, it wasn't me, it was the god damn car (i then fall to my knees and begin to weep like a little girl). Anyone know what this means?
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#78441 - 01/11/05 02:24 AM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 6005
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i'd assume they're more concerned about the gambinos and the ruskies having their hooks in processing again. i think crescent media scam netted the mob a few hundred million dollars before those silly italians forgot to remember the feds like tapping phones.
the boards luke links to for webmasters like gofuckyourself.com are probably what they're watching. webmasters are the new used-car salesmen in terms of being amoral, wearing gold jewelry and fast trashy sportscars, and just generally not going to deerfield. from the little bits i've followed links to, there's a bunch of people talking bling with little financial acumen-that's a recipe for bad news in intentional dishonesty or just being used to do part of something they've got no idea someone is using them to do.
on the other hand, i'm convinced there are at least 3 child-murders who have posted here and smartt's hard drive's contents are the product of so many horrible, life-defining moments of pre-teens.
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#78442 - 01/11/05 03:16 AM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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I don't get it. What would the FTC learn about you from going to a porn convention?
From the links I read they were there to serve warrants. Probably hard to locate those webmasters otherwise. From what I've learned in this thread they must have been gathering information from webmasters' boards.
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#78444 - 01/11/05 07:45 AM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 12/10/04
Posts: 261
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The Governmental agencies are all watching. Some watch so that they "Have Something" on you should you ever become powerful or a threat to there agency.
Others watch out of a sincere concern for the public well being and to enforce the laws of the land.
Still others watch in order to do High Level research.
This is how the Government keeps things under control and orderly.
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#78445 - 01/13/05 11:08 AM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=405409FTC Sues Las Vegas Porn Operation for Spam Jan 12, 2005 — By Andy Sullivan WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Las Vegas pornography operation that sent out hundreds of thousands of sexually explicit "spam" e-mail messages has been temporarily shut down in the first case of federal spam laws being used against sex marketers, U.S. regulators said on Tuesday. The Federal Trade Commission said the operation, which runs up to 20 Web sites, did not properly label its e-mail with a "SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT:" tag and violated several other aspects of a year-old anti-spam law. Six businesses and five men have had their assets temporarily frozen by a Las Vegas federal court and are prohibited from sending out any deceptive spam as the case proceeds, the FTC said. Only one of the men charged actually sent out the e-mail but the others are held liable because they hired him, said Eileen Harrington, associate director of the FTC's Marketing Practices Division. "It's not just people who push the button to send the spam who can be held liable," Harrington said at a news conference. Unwanted pornography and other forms of spam account for up to 85 percent of all e-mail, up from roughly 55 percent when the CAN-SPAM Act took effect one year ago. The defendants included explicit content in their messages, did not label them properly, did not label them as advertisements and did not provide a way for consumers to stop getting them, all violations of the CAN-SPAM Act, Harrington said. Some of the messages falsely claimed that access to the Web sites was free, a violation of deceptive-business laws, Harrington said. Those charged could be required to give up the money they made from the operation and prevented from sending out any more deceptive e-mail. The FTC does not have the authority to put people in jail or levy fines for a first offense. Charged in the complaint were Global Net Solutions, Open Space Enterprises Inc., Southlake Group Inc. and WTFRC Inc., all based in Las Vegas; Global Net Ventures Ltd., based in London; and Wedlake Ltd., which is believed to be based in Riga, Latvia. Dustin Hamilton, Gregory Hamilton, Tobin Banks, Philip Doroff and Paul Rose were charged as individuals. None of the defendants or companies could be immediately reached for comment.
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#78446 - 01/13/05 11:27 AM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=405409
FTC Sues Las Vegas Porn Operation for Spam
Jan 12, 2005 — By Andy Sullivan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Las Vegas pornography operation that sent out hundreds of thousands of sexually explicit "spam" e-mail messages has been temporarily shut down in the first case of federal spam laws being used against sex marketers, U.S. regulators said on Tuesday.
The Federal Trade Commission said the operation, which runs up to 20 Web sites, did not properly label its e-mail with a "SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT:" tag and violated several other aspects of a year-old anti-spam law.
Six businesses and five men have had their assets temporarily frozen by a Las Vegas federal court and are prohibited from sending out any deceptive spam as the case proceeds, the FTC said.
Only one of the men charged actually sent out the e-mail but the others are held liable because they hired him, said Eileen Harrington, associate director of the FTC's Marketing Practices Division.
"It's not just people who push the button to send the spam who can be held liable," Harrington said at a news conference.
Unwanted pornography and other forms of spam account for up to 85 percent of all e-mail, up from roughly 55 percent when the CAN-SPAM Act took effect one year ago.
The defendants included explicit content in their messages, did not label them properly, did not label them as advertisements and did not provide a way for consumers to stop getting them, all violations of the CAN-SPAM Act, Harrington said.
Some of the messages falsely claimed that access to the Web sites was free, a violation of deceptive-business laws, Harrington said.
Those charged could be required to give up the money they made from the operation and prevented from sending out any more deceptive e-mail. The FTC does not have the authority to put people in jail or levy fines for a first offense.
Charged in the complaint were Global Net Solutions, Open Space Enterprises Inc., Southlake Group Inc. and WTFRC Inc., all based in Las Vegas; Global Net Ventures Ltd., based in London; and Wedlake Ltd., which is believed to be based in Riga, Latvia.
Dustin Hamilton, Gregory Hamilton, Tobin Banks, Philip Doroff and Paul Rose were charged as individuals.
None of the defendants or companies could be immediately reached for comment.
I knew something was going on my Bulk folder in yahoo mail is now only getting 6 or so spams a day. I was getting 30 to 40 before. 
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#78447 - 01/13/05 01:00 PM
Re: What's up with the FTC?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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None of the defendants or companies could be immediately reached for comment.
Fuck no they can't be reached. At least not until next year's show. I bet twice as many get the "reach out and touch" treatment then.
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