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#77022 - 12/31/04 06:29 PM Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
Owen S Mouth Offline
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At least someone sees through it all..........

Some Dude at The Australian writes:


Gerard Baker: Tsunami must be fault of the US

December 31, 2004
INEVITABLY, confronted with a tragedy of unimaginable scale, the human mind looks for someone to blame. In the Dark Ages, disasters were ascribed to the wrath of God. Now, in an odd inversion that we like to think of as progress, they are adduced as evidence of no God.

In the absence of a deity to decry or appease when the earth moves in such devastating fashion, humankind reaches for the next best thing - worldly authority. Authority should have known it was coming. Authority didn't do enough to prevent it. Authority was too preoccupied with its own nefarious priorities to care.

There is plenty of authority to blame for the devastation caused by the Sumatran earthquake this week. Governments in Bangkok, Jakarta and Colombo will shoulder some of it. Governments farther afield will be inculpated for the poverty of their response. Media organisations will be attacked for being too callous and too mawkish. Unsurprisingly, perhaps the most inviting target is the US.

In the past three days I have been impressed by the originality of the latest critiques of the evil Americans. The earthquake and tsunami apparently had something to do with global warming, environmentalists say, caused of course by greedy American motorists. Then there was the rumour that the US military base at Diego Garcia was forewarned of the impending disaster and presumably because of some CIA-approved plot to undermine Islamic movements in Indonesia and Thailand did nothing about it.

To be fair, even the most animated America-hater, though, baulks at the idea of blaming George W. Bush for the destruction and death in southern Asia. But the US is blamed for not responding generously enough to help the victims of the catastrophe. A UN official this week derided Washington's contribution as stingy.









It is a label that fits the general image abroad of greedy, self-absorbed Americans. They neither know nor care much about the woes of the rest of the world, do they? Did the tsunami even get a look-in on US TV news between the holiday schmalz and the football games, I have been sneeringly asked once or twice this week by contemptuous British friends.

The answer is yes, it did. News coverage of the event has been extensive, and for the most part intelligent and mercifully free of the sort of parochialism about holidaymakers that characterises so much of the European press accounts. There have been some lapses -- the New York newspaper that carried on its front page the Manhattan supermodel's harrowing tale of survival as her boyfriend was swept away by a tidal wave. There has perhaps been a little too much "what if it happened here?" alarmist self-absorption.

But for the most part Americans have watched a sobering, heartbreaking tale of unimagined calamity unfold halfway across the world. You get a sense of the heterogeneity of this country when something such as this happens. Every newspaper in every big city has been carrying stories about local Sri Lankan, Indonesian, Thai and Malaysian communities traumatised by the long-distance search for relatives and friends.

Further, in financial terms, it is not at all clear that the US is shirking its responsibilities, pledging an initial $US35 million ($45.1million) in aid, with the prospect of much more to come, and offering military assistance. You can be sure that the private US response will be even more impressive. Don't misunderstand me. I am not suggesting that Americans are any more generous than anyone else -- simply that they, too, are moved to mercy by the plight of others.

But even as we seek to apportion blame when catastrophe strikes, we are gripped too by a kind of fatalism. We stand in awe of nature and feel helpless before its apparently insuperable power. The rising death toll in Southeast Asia seems to mock our pretensions to progress. We may have been to the moon, eradicated smallpox and created eBay, we think, but when the tectonic plates move we are no more secure than were the barefoot citizens of Pompeii.

Yet the truth is not so grim. For centuries, steady progress has been made in the struggle to limit the effects of natural disasters. Last year, an earthquake that measured 6.6 on the Richter scale killed more than 40,000 people in the Iranian city of Bam. In 1989, a more powerful earthquake struck outside San Francisco. The death toll was fewer than 100. Of course there were demographic and geologic differences that contributed to the disparity. Of course there will never be a fail-safe protection against the most destructive efforts of nature. But it is within our reach to build systems that can mitigate their effects.

Years of scientific effort and technological investment have given the world seismic sensors; early warning systems; buildings that can bounce up and down on stilts buried deep in the earth; flood barriers and other techniques. We can discern the outlines of a strategy for preventing, or at least limiting future disasters.

As we contemplate nature's fearful capacity for destruction and our apparent helplessness, we should not forget the greater tragedy that is humankind's potential for self-destruction. It was humanity, not nature, that killed tens of millions in the wars and genocides of the 20th century. Even as we master techniques to protect us from the earth's violence, we perfect new, more effective means of delivering our own.

The Times





Edited by Owen S Mouth (12/31/04 06:33 PM)

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#77023 - 12/31/04 07:48 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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We are to blame for everything. What bulls^*t. And now we don't pay them enough. Fuck em and feed em grasshoppers.
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#77024 - 12/31/04 09:17 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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Registered: 12/29/03
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Quote:

Some Dude at The Australian




I'd love to know which aussie turd wrote this shit. My apologies on behalf of all sane aussies.
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#77025 - 12/31/04 09:34 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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We are to blame for everything. What bulls^*t. And now we don't pay them enough. Fuck em and feed em grasshoppers.



Did you note the UN dude complaining about US aid, who hadn't checked his facts on who usually ends up paying the bill? I bet the US ends up paying about half of the money that actually gets to the affected people, as opposed to the bank accounts of one of Annan's relatives...

Speaking of whom - everyone complained Bush was going about it alone instead of leaving it to the UN. Of course, Annan wasn't at the UN - he was on vacation in WY and didn't come back for three days. And he won't have quite the same communications system as Bush has in Texas- maybe a cell phone.

There was one bright spot in terms of a government being organized and quick enough to get the beaches cleared before the tsunami arrived. Kenya reacted efficiently, did the right things for the right reasons, and got the job done. Yes, they did have more time, but I'm not sure India would have succeeded given a week of warning. It's possible Thailand might have reacted correctly in 24 hours. As it stands it looks like only Kenya passed the test.
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#77026 - 01/01/05 12:25 AM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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Well, that´s a theory that I wouldn´t dismiss as quickly.

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#77027 - 01/01/05 01:59 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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Quote:

I bet the US ends up paying about half of the money that actually gets to the affected people




Las Vegas SUN;

U.N.: $2B Pledged for Tsunami Crisis


A partial list of the countries and organizations pledging aid for tsunami victims, based on U.N. data and official announcements by the nations. The United Nations said Saturday that about $2 billion has been promised so far.


- Japan: $500 million.

- United States: $350 million

- World Bank: $250 million

- Britain: $95 million

- Sweden: $75.5 million

- Spain: $68 million

- China: $60 million

- France: $57 million

- Australia: $46.7 million

- Canada: $33 million

- Germany: $27 million

- European Commission: $45 million

- Switzerland: $21.9 million

- Denmark: $18,1 million

- Norway: $16.6 million

- Portugal: $11 million

- Qatar: $10 million

- Saudi Arabia: $10 million

- Singapore: $3.6 million

- New Zealand: $3.5 million

- Finland: $3.3 million

- Kuwait: $2 million

- United Arab Emirates: $2 million

- Ireland: $1.4 million

- Italy: $1.3 million

- Turkey: $1.25 million

- Czech Republic: $750,000

- Iran: $627,000

- South Korea: $600,000

- Hungary: $411,000

- Greece: $397,000

- Luxembourg: $265,000

- Monaco: $133,000

- Mexico: $100,000

- Nepal: $100,000

- Estonia: $42,000

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#77028 - 01/01/05 02:13 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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I'm really stunned by how lop sided the giving is. Sweden is giving $75 million and they only have about 9 million people . China has 1.2 billion and they're giving $60 million (5 cents a person)?

Sweden $8.50 a person
China $.05 a person.
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#77029 - 01/01/05 02:18 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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Registered: 10/09/04
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I'm really stunned by how lop sided the giving is. Sweden is giving $75 million and they only have about 9 million people . China has 1.2 billion and they're giving $60 million (5 cents a person)?

Sweden $8.50 a person
China $.05 a person.



That's not really a fair way to compare. Some of the most highly populated countries are some of the poorest. A comparison based on GDP would make more sense.
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#77030 - 01/01/05 03:37 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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Registered: 11/13/04
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I'm really stunned by how lop sided the giving is. Sweden is giving $75 million and they only have about 9 million people . China has 1.2 billion and they're giving $60 million (5 cents a person)?

Sweden $8.50 a person
China $.05 a person.




The swedes may have lost more than 3.000 people among the waves in Thailand. Among the European countries, that´s the highest number. I don´t know if the Chinese people can travel as tourists?

But I think we should compare US and Japan...
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#77031 - 01/01/05 03:57 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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Quote:

I'm really stunned by how lop sided the giving is. Sweden is giving $75 million and they only have about 9 million people . China has 1.2 billion and they're giving $60 million (5 cents a person)?

Sweden $8.50 a person
China $.05 a person.



The number of Swedes killed is believed to be in the hundreds, perhaps thousands.

These numbers are all government pledges and not committed expenditures. Different countries have different cultures about NGO donations so it's hard to compare. How much of the committed expenditures actually gets spent on the victims, without special strings attached, also varies.
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#77032 - 01/01/05 05:12 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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What suprises me is that some of these smaller nations, like Portugal are giving as much as the saracen lands Saudi arabia and qatar, with Indonesia being hit hardest I would think they would have stepped up to the plate much stronger.
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#77033 - 01/01/05 08:50 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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- United States: $350 million




Those numbers don't include any private donations given by charities/induviduals.
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#77034 - 01/01/05 09:53 PM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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Different countries have different cultures about NGO donations so it's hard to compare.




Cultures It´s politics!
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#77035 - 01/02/05 01:50 AM Re: Evil Americans Caused Tsunami
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The number of Swedes killed is believed to be in the hundreds, perhaps thousands.

These numbers are all government pledges and not committed expenditures.




BBC News web-site;

Nordic nations mourn Asia victims

Sweden appears to have lost more tourists than any other nation
Sweden, Finland and Norway have been holding a day of mourning for Asian tsunami victims, amid fears about the fate of many of their nationals.
Nearly 100 people from those countries have been declared dead, while more than 4,500 are unaccounted for.

Sweden has been worst hit, with 60 nationals killed and 3,559 missing, most of them on holiday in Thailand.

Flights have been bringing victims and their friends and relatives home from the disaster area.

NORDIC VICTIMS
Sweden: 60 dead, 3,559 missing
Norway: 21 dead, 462 missing
Finland: 14 dead, 194 missing
Denmark: 7 dead, 454 missing
Iceland: 11 missing
Source: Reuters tally, on 1 January
Many families have left people behind.

The Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet said 60 Swedish children have so far returned without their parents, who were either dead or missing - though the figure could not be confirmed.

Thai authorities say at least 2,400 foreign tourists were killed on the country's beaches.

Only 322 were officially confirmed dead by their home countries as of Saturday, though the number still unaccounted for was over 7,000.

Most of those are Europeans.


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