The "let's treat the bitches like shit" stuff is so uncreative, unerotic, and just plain boring. These guys have no clue what "real" hardcore is, so they do dumb shit. Too bad it's so pervasive these days, but I think meatholes has some validity as in to see how far they can go and Tough Love has some thought behind it not just plain stupidity as in in Tony T and the majority of these morons like Jake Malone et al.