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#67881 - 11/06/04 07:59 AM Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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U.S. National - AP


Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'

Thu Nov 4, 6:27 PM ET U.S. National - AP



SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Two days after the Democrats took at drubbing at the polls across the country, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites) referred to leaders of the state's majority party as "losers."


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At a Thursday news conference, the


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#67882 - 11/06/04 08:12 AM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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Democracy sure lost the battle with Bush´s victory.

VIVA FIDEL!

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#67883 - 11/06/04 08:26 AM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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What would a tranny-banana repubic dweller know about democracy? You should've said Viva Guevera, but he' an asshole, too!
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#67884 - 11/06/04 08:59 AM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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What would a tranny-banana repubic dweller know about democracy? You should've said Viva Guevera, but he' an asshole, too!





Smut has a point. I always laugh when anyone from Europe or Africa comments on North American Politics considering their horrible past. I feel Europe alone has lost the right to say anything for the next 2000 years and Africa... well the problems in the Ivory Coast pretty much sum it up.

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#67885 - 11/06/04 09:03 AM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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What would a tranny-banana repubic dweller know about democracy?




MUCH more than any living american, including Michael Moore, you ignoramus ianqui. May Allah shove His Holy Missiles up your ass!

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#67886 - 11/06/04 09:13 AM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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MUCH more than any living american, including Michael Moore




I can see what your saying if your saying that only when you don't have something can you truly appreciate it. If your not saying that and somehow are suggesting that you live in a utopia I recommend you take a stroll around your extensive slums or visit a couple of your local farmers that are stripping the rain forest clean.

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#67887 - 11/06/04 09:58 AM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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Stop repeating the shit you read on the internet, you moron. You NEVER set foot in Brazil to speak about us.

And the ones who are stripping the rain forest are the AMERICAN companies, so sod off.


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#67888 - 11/06/04 10:25 AM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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May Allah shove His Holy Missiles up your ass!



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#67889 - 11/06/04 05:59 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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#67890 - 11/06/04 07:28 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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You NEVER set foot in Brazil to speak about us.





Have you ever been to the US? Because if you haven't and yet you comment on it you've just proven yourself a hypocrite. I've lived in Canada and the US both as a citizen so I like to put my two bits in every now and again.

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#67891 - 11/06/04 07:31 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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Stop repeating the shit you read on the internet, you moron.

And the ones who are stripping the rain forest are the AMERICAN companies, so sod off.






Come on Smartt. It's a well known fact that both US companies and farmers burn and cut the forest at an alarming rate. You can't deny what is published on your country and most of my resources are reliable like the BBC.

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#67892 - 11/06/04 07:34 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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Have you ever been to the US?




Yes I did, you anally gaped Bush ball-licker!

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#67893 - 11/06/04 07:38 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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It's a well known fact that both US companies and farmers burn and cut the forest at an alarming rate.




Farmers? Are you stupid or what? You can´t have a FARM in the middle of a fucking RAIN FOREST! It´s like trying to grow corn on an iceberg, you ignoramus!

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#67894 - 11/06/04 08:04 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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It's a well known fact that both US companies and farmers burn and cut the forest at an alarming rate.



The US has been re-foresting for a long time, nearly a century I think. This is likely to accelerate now that the rest of the world is not so depend on US for food (Russia and some ex-USSR areas are turning into significant exporters of food).

Isn't Brazil self-sufficient in food production? Why clear for more farms?
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#67895 - 11/06/04 08:17 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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Farmers? Are you stupid or what? You can´t have a FARM in the middle of a fucking RAIN FOREST! It´s like trying to grow corn on an iceberg, you ignoramus!




http://www.mongabay.com/brazil.html

Read it and weep. Cattle ranching is the leading cause of deforestation in the Brazilian Amazon. Forest land is perfect for growing crops of any kind. The soil is rich in nutrients, epically when the trees are burned and the ashes are tilled into the ground.

Would you really like me to show you how crappy your country is Smartt? Your pretty ignorant. What about your slums? You have no smart comeback for what I said about them. Really you have no smart comebacks at all. Give me some information why your country is good and prosperous. Other then you insulting me you have provided no information for me to view what I have said as wrong.

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#67896 - 11/06/04 08:20 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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Have you ever been to the US?




Yes I did, you anally gaped Bush ball-licker!




yeah sure, i bet they deported you asap.
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#67897 - 11/06/04 08:22 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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The US has been re-foresting for a long time, nearly a century I think. This is likely to accelerate now that the rest of the world is not so depend on US for food (Russia and some ex-USSR areas are turning into significant exporters of food).

Isn't Brazil self-sufficient in food production? Why clear for more farms?




Where are you getting your facts from JRV? Your pretty on the ball with things but I can't find any information to back your claims up. Do you have any links?

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#67898 - 11/06/04 08:44 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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you have provided no information for me to view what I have said as wrong.




Mmmm, I love Brazil.

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#67899 - 11/06/04 08:56 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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The US has been re-foresting for a long time, nearly a century I think. This is likely to accelerate now that the rest of the world is not so depend on US for food (Russia and some ex-USSR areas are turning into significant exporters of food).




Where are you getting your facts from JRV? Your pretty on the ball with things but I can't find any information to back your claims up. Do you have any links?



That's from memory.

The ex-USSR farm production increase I saw in a Wall Street Journal within the last six months. The main thrust of the article was how a lot of US farmers were abandoning wheat due not only declining imports to the ex-USSR but in fact competition in international sales.

The US re-forestation is trickier. I saw this in an paper in Science or Nature several years ago. I see no basic statistics on the US Forest Service web site now. The claim seemed credible due to the source (those two journals aren't the most rigorous in print, but they are peer reviewed, and I consider then generally very reliable compared to any non-science source).

The claim also seems reasonable since the railroads had more or less stripped forests during the era of the steam engine, and recovery combined with the gradual long-term decline in acreage in farming suggests increases in forestation could overcome suburban development.

There is some info at http://www.fs.fed.us/research/sustain/documents/SustainableForests.pdf around page 20 that is at least consistent with this.
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#67900 - 11/06/04 08:59 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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jrv--i'm pretty sure you need to leave russia out of your statement. knowing maybe a little more than your average bear about history, i know russia's always had a problem with very little of their soil being arable at all. i think it's one of the worst situations of any developed country-i'm guessing the us/canada/france are 3-5x superior to it in terms of % of land being viable and russia's been so stupid with their pesticide usage and poor fertilization practices it's going to get worse.

this is why the ukraine had to serve as their bread-basket-you can mention that country as a potential source. i doubt agricultural products are even in their top couple of exported commodities.if there's even a trend, it's illusory and someone's not paying attention.

didn't see the latest reply, i still say russia can't grow dick.


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#67901 - 11/06/04 09:58 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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jrv--i'm pretty sure you need to leave russia out of your statement.



The WSJ article was written around the Ukraine and not Russia. I sloppily lumped all of the ex-USSR states together; a bad habit I have since I grew up in another era, and Russia is so large you can usually get away with assuming there's a little of everything somewhere...

This paper http://www.fas.usda.gov/wap/circular/2003/03-06/Wap%2006-03.pdf has a graph at the bottom of page 3 that is not consistent with the WSJ article. Wheat production does seem to have increased substantially after the USSR collapsed, but the peak wasn't much higher than the USSR-era peak, and it has declined in the last few years (I think - they didn't feel the need to label the timeline axis of the chart).

A quick look through that site doesn't reveal any good historical trend data. The WSJ article dwelled considerably on the problem of American farmers facing Ukrainian competition on world markets but I'm not sure where they got their data.
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#67902 - 11/06/04 10:47 PM Re: Schwarzenegger Calls Calif. Dems 'Losers'
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cool, i actually took a look around to make sure i wasn't talking out of my ass--the ukraine is 56% arable, russia's slightly under 7%. for reference, the us, france,and germany are all between 20-30% and have more irrigation despite russia's being 2x our size.

the motherland's always had problems eating in the winters and during the soviet era leaned on the ukraine and a few others which i'd guess to be hungary and poland pretty hard for grain production since they're all among the top countries for potentially making it. whenever you saw images or clips of anything farming-related, it always seemed to be outside of russia proper. they're good for various rocks and fossil fuels, but you've gotta assume it hurt them to lose their supermarket territories.

i can't even keep track of what country is what and i was probably 11 when it all broke up, i just remembered russia having problems making food to be such a recurring deal.
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