#640556 - 08/31/1605:21 PMRe: Come dancing!
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#640561 - 08/31/1608:15 PMRe: Come dancing!
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The Davies brothers suck. They've hired more session musicians over the years than they care to remember, and still deny it. That guitar riff from "You Really Got Me..." yeah, that was Jimmy Page.
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The Davies brothers suck... That guitar riff from "You Really Got Me..." yeah, that was Jimmy Page.
I don't have to prove my Zep head bona fides to anyone on this forum, but I cannot concur with this assessment. Now, if you'll excuse me, my girlfriend's run off with my car, and gone back to her ma and pa, telling tales of drunkenness and cruelty...
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It really is extraordinary that so unfocused and scattershot is William D's rage that here he is constructing a Kinks counternarrative wherein Jimmy Page is the hero. It reminiscent of Pauline Kael's rewriting of the history of 'Citizen Kane'. Exactly like that.
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#640594 - 09/01/1611:24 PMRe: Come dancing!
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Willie D
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Fine...I will amend my complaint. That's allowed in King's County Superior Court, right?
The Kinks made their name and their fame off the backs of studio musicians when they were starting out. They could sing fairly well, but no one could play an instrument for crap. The studios realized this, cad called in hired talent: Big Jim Sullivan, Little Jimmy Page, Bobby Graham, Nicky Hopkins, and some dude named John Baldwin. Because the producers knew these guys could come in on short notice, do what needed to be done and get paid, without these Blookes wringing their hands over which C-sharp to play at the end of the bridge.
The Kinks even wrote a mocking song about session players called "Session Man." They openly mocked most of these players, including Pagey. But the sad fact remains that The Kinks made their fortune on the back of others who had far less limelight, but far superior talent. And for that I will never forgive them.
I read a story once that Pete Townsend and Eric Clapton went to a Jimi Hendrix concert in London in the late 1960s. Pete turned to Eric and said (apocryphally), "This is the guy who's gonna put us all out of work." At least he had the stones to be honest.
I admit, "Come Dancing" is a catchy ditty. But which of the Davies brothers played trumpet on that song? None. Again, they hired a salsa band (and a good one IMO), and only gave them credit on a record label. Way to go guys.
#640603 - 09/02/1612:45 AMRe: Come dancing!
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Originally Posted By: Willie D
Fine...I will amend my complaint. That's allowed in King's County Superior Court, right?
The Kinks made their name and their fame off the backs of studio musicians when they were starting out. They could sing fairly well, but no one could play an instrument for crap. The studios realized this, cad called in hired talent: Big Jim Sullivan, Little Jimmy Page, Bobby Graham, Nicky Hopkins, and some dude named John Baldwin. Because the producers knew these guys could come in on short notice, do what needed to be done and get paid, without these Blookes wringing their hands over which C-sharp to play at the end of the bridge.
The Kinks even wrote a mocking song about session players called "Session Man." They openly mocked most of these players, including Pagey. But the sad fact remains that The Kinks made their fortune on the back of others who had far less limelight, but far superior talent. And for that I will never forgive them.
I read a story once that Pete Townsend and Eric Clapton went to a Jimi Hendrix concert in London in the late 1960s. Pete turned to Eric and said (apocryphally), "This is the guy who's gonna put us all out of work." At least he had the stones to be honest.
I admit, "Come Dancing" is a catchy ditty. But which of the Davies brothers played trumpet on that song? None. Again, they hired a salsa band (and a good one IMO), and only gave them credit on a record label. Way to go guys.
I'll agree with that argument, but you can't discount the songwriting. Ray Davies wrote all these songs and co produced them with studio players somewhat in the same way Brian Wilson did on Pet Sounds. (not to egual talent, of course) But my point is that songs like Waterloo Sunset and Victoria stand the test of time and remain often covered classics. So I guess my argument is to hate the artist, not the art.
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#640622 - 09/03/1607:48 AMRe: Come dancing!
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'Lola' is an amazing ditty though.
I used to be friends with this guy who thought he understood the song until I broke it down for him. He thought it was about a strong, independent woman.
#640790 - 09/11/1611:03 PMRe: Come dancing!
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Love both the Kinks and Zeppelin, and, while Willy is right about the Davies not willing to admit that is Page on guitar on You Really Got Me, it is a pretty ironic complaint considering Page has never admitted to stealing riffs from Willie Dixon and probably about 250 other blues musicians to put on those Zeppelin albums.
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#640809 - 09/12/1607:16 AMRe: Come dancing!
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Yeah I don't really consider lifting music in the public domain as stealing but they could at least acknowledge the source. I overheard a song by a current pop artist the other day that sampled Spirit's Fresh Garbage fully. Don't know who it was cause I hate current pop.
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