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#6338 - 09/06/03 07:48 AM
Reviews for sale, can it be really true?
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 07/22/03
Posts: 536
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We've all heard the rumors that some well-known reviewers on ADT will gladfully write a good review of a movie even though they think it's shit, just to keep the free DVDs coming. I wouldn't like to comment on that, but there is one guy who has been reviewing porn for years and he told me that some of the biggest studios will not send him screeners because they don't like his reviews.
What the fuck? As if he would be saying a movie is shit just for the sake of it. Some people need to take criticism full on and perhaps make changes to their movies where necessary in future. Perhaps that's why so much slow motion, arty black and white film tripe is still being made.
Amazing isn't it! 
Edited by whtzahor4 (09/10/03 05:47 AM)
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#6339 - 09/06/03 11:59 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/21/03
Posts: 274
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steve hirsch and steve orenstein pay paul fishbein a lot of money to get good reviews and avn awards. it's nothing new and it's also common knowledge people like to deny.
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#6340 - 09/06/03 08:20 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 07/22/03
Posts: 536
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True. I know people who have been offered freebies with roundabout talk like "we expect good reviews, mind."
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#6342 - 09/07/03 01:57 PM
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ADT regular
Registered: 07/27/03
Posts: 11
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No wonder I get good reviews on my movies, I give Avn and allot of other people free dvd's,I better start giving them more dvd's.
Dion Giarrusso
President
Red Light District.
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#6346 - 09/09/03 12:03 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 07/21/03
Posts: 274
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fuck them jeff. we're hardcore and we know jm makes the best porn and we don't need adt for that.
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#6347 - 09/09/03 10:16 PM
Re: Reviews for sale, can it be really true?
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 08/07/03
Posts: 116
Loc: SoCal
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We've all heard the rumors that some well-known reviewers on ADT will gladfully write a good review of a movie even though they think it's shit, just to keep the free DVDs coming. I wouldn't like to comment on that, but there is one guy who has been reviewing porn for years and he told me that some of the biggest studios will not send him screeners because they don't like his reviews.
What the fuck? As if he would be saying a movie is shit just for the sake of it. Some people need to take criticism full on and perhaps make changes to their movies where necessary in future. Perhaps that's why so much slow motion, arty black and white film tripe is still being made.
Amazing isn't it!
I don't really know about the ADT Reviewers, but offering to pay for good reviews, in one way or another, isn't that uncommon. I have rarely been offered cash payments, but it's happened. More often it comes in gentle nudges like "We can't justify sending movies to someone who keeps giving us nothing buy '7's'"
Some studios and directors have taken me off screener lists because the reviews have not been good enough. Who? Well let's not name names, but a really big V company did, so did a director who wears a cowboy hat, another named Stoney and a few others. (TT)
I have always liked dealing with companies that take the good and the bad. Not to sound like a kiss-ass, but JM has probably had more low-rated reviews than any company in porn on my site (Along with several dozen really highly rated titles) and they keep sending me stuff. Extreme was that way, Anabolic is that way, even Wicked.
Maybe these companies get it. Maybe they know that just because a reviewer doesn't like a flick, that doesn't mean that all of his readers are going to run from it. The opposite is often true. Before Max did the big pull job, my site used to get a lot of click through sales on his movies, especially when I gave something a 0 or a 1.
Someone recently pointed out that I am probably a moron for not taking the cash, extra free stuff and the very rare...personal favor offer that has come way over the past 7 years. Perhaps they were right, but this way I get to keep whatever tiny shred of integrity and dignity that can possibly exist in this business.
Oh and just to keep some doors open..if I ever do sell out, it will take more than 50 bucks! (You know who you are.)
I'll take the big bucks Alex, and a blowjob from Aurora Snow thank you very much.
Edited by whtzahor4 (09/10/03 05:48 AM)
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#6348 - 09/09/03 10:28 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 07/22/03
Posts: 536
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Hey, Rog, I cannot believe some studios have taken you off their screener lists. I mean, without sounding like a grovelling ADT member, speaking the TRUTH, you have to be one of the leading porn reviewers in the States. And they ignore YOU? Something or someone smells in the State of Denmark (sorry, Hamlet!).
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Quote from JEFF: "Well all I know is that ADT does not review ANY JM movies,in fact they don't even list any of my titles on their price search.They have removed everything Pertaining to JM so clearly kissing ass over at ADT helps.JM Productions is proof that if you don't kiss ass they will treat you as if you don't exist."
Jeff, I am astounded again. ADT actually deliberately - as a policy - do not review your output? Fucking crazy that. They should throw all personal differences aside and review all porn. In fact, they just show how shallow they are. 
Lord Byron. 
PS. hey, Rog, is that studio Vivid or VCA? 
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#6349 - 09/10/03 05:50 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 7408
Loc: JM Productions
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[quoteI have always liked dealing with companies that take the good and the bad. Not to sound like a kiss-ass, but JM has probably had more low-rated reviews than any company in porn on my site (Along with several dozen really highly rated titles) and they keep sending me stuff. Extreme was that way, Anabolic is that way, even Wicked. Maybe these companies get it. Maybe they know that just because a reviewer doesn't like a flick, that doesn't mean that all of his readers are going to run from it.
I don't care if some reviewer slams one of my movies,in fact often the review points out the very things that some consumers look for.JM Productions is not meant to be nice and mainstream.We are a hardcore video company that produces fuck videos for those who are sick of the same old cookie cutter crap that most of these unoriginal companies put out.We don't follow trends,we create them and those of you that have been around the biz for anytime know that. 
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#6354 - 09/10/03 09:27 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 07/22/03
Posts: 536
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ADT isn't the only review site that assumes copyright. There are loads that ask their visitors to review movies for free (no payment given), then says "we own anything you write". I agree, I think it is illegal to assume copyright but they do have a disclaimer which sort of lets off so to speak. In other words, reviewers are not forced to do it and they're aware of the terms and conditions beforehand.
LB.
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#6359 - 09/11/03 06:56 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 08/07/03
Posts: 116
Loc: SoCal
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PS. hey, Rog, is that studio Vivid or VCA?
Ummmmm, I don't want to say, but that last Ben Dover movie was pretty good, and Big Omar dos some decent stuff, and VCA features usually have good picture quality and by the way, who are the new Vivid Girls anyway? 
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#6361 - 09/12/03 02:40 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 08/07/03
Posts: 116
Loc: SoCal
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Rog, I was talking about which "V" took you off their screener lists. Vivid???? 
I agree, Big Omar is good. His humor works well. 
and he has a massive cock too. Has some decent chicks.
LB...I'm trying to be sly here...
Two big V companies, one doesn't send to me....
Hmmm, Ben and Omar are good. I liked that last PASSOLINI flick....and who ARE the Vivid Girls anyway? I haven't seen ANY of them in a few years....
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#6362 - 07/21/05 11:16 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/28/04
Posts: 4450
Loc: The Planet Houston
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Oh and just to keep some doors open..if I ever do sell out, it will take more than 50 bucks! (You know who you are.)
fuck all that...if i started to see the green i'd start reviewing again....so far i've done about 1 a month.
but i just got another Tory Lane P.O.V....now that is some good stroke material  
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#6364 - 07/22/05 06:07 PM
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ADT regular
Registered: 06/24/05
Posts: 8
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How can I get started doing reviews for studios? What would be the best studio to maybe start doing reviews for?
I would love to write reviews and feel I could be very fair and impartial.
Thanks
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#6365 - 07/22/05 06:32 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 05/06/05
Posts: 132
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Some studios and directors have taken me off screener lists because the reviews have not been good enough. Who? Well let's not name names, but a really big V company did, so did a director who wears a cowboy hat, another named Stoney and a few others. (TT)
Stoney Curtis.
TT Boy.
Max Hardcore.
Vivid.
These people don't send screeners to Rog. Got it!
Okay, nobody wants to see their work maligned and why should they? Rog, I read your reviews and in some cases they are positively brutal. Some of your Extreme Associates reviews come to mind. Back in 2000, if you hated an EA movie then I just knew I was probably going to love it.
If an artist puts forth a harder-edged product and knows beforehand that a certain reviewer is 9 times out of 10 going to evaluate it badly, then seriously, what's the point?
A guy like Max, for example, whose product is appreciated elsewhere, is not going to continue to pay to send a guy his movies when he knows full well that the reviewer doesn't 'get it' and is going to trash it. Honest reviews are one thing and personal tastes are another. If your personal tastes runs against watching Max do his thing, then how possibly can give an honest review of one of his movies. Honestly, you'll never enjoy his product and the review is fucked going in and its gonna come out fucked in the end.
Whenever some reviewer bitches about stuff like screeners, I just want to fuck-slap them and tell them to get their ass out to a video store and rent the shit at four bucks a pop like the rest of us have to.
No hard feelings Rog.
Remember... honesty.
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#6366 - 07/22/05 07:47 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/28/04
Posts: 4450
Loc: The Planet Houston
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Okay, nobody wants to see their work maligned and why should they? Rog, I read your reviews and in some cases they are positively brutal.
you come from the misguided assumption tha everyone cares about thye product they produce...
which if it was the case, they need to stop making porn because i have seen some horrid shit.
That is why i stopped reviewing.
It was a fucking downer.
a no-win situation, because i would see these cats in public and feel like an asshole if i said something negative about their DVD, YET speaking my honest opinion.
so don't be so quick to bash Rog, the guy is legit, whether you agree with him or not, that's how he feel about the DVD.
...and i'll go on record saying the reviews i have so far written have been legit.
I'll probably start reviewing more given enough time...
EDIT to ADD: i can see where you arecoming from, but at the end of the day, Reviews are someone's personal tatse. IMHO, I think...does a fisting work for me? NO way, A DP, more often not..
so i think it is in one's best to find a reviewer w/sim tastes...
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#6367 - 03/22/07 11:20 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 451
Loc: Houston
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I know ADT has a little disclaimer: here it is
*By submitting your review to ADT you agree to assign an exclusive transferable copyright to ADT. You assign all copyrights for your review and all reviews become property of ADT.com which may edit, alter, retransmit, transfer or use any way it sees fit. There is no financial compensation for submitting reviews and submitting a review does not guarantee that it will be published.
So my point is when they sell the business I bet the review content they have will account for 50% of the sale. we are talking over a million dollars here. they have 5500 reviews that they did not write or we're part of the creative process in. I don't know if a 4 line disclaimer can cut it. The reviewer has not signed a thing.
This reminds me of all the blues musicians who got their songs ripped off by the white man in the 1950's. If they ever sell ADT they will have to pay something to every reviewer and their reviews. They cannot have a 5 line disclaimer on a site and expect that to be binding in a court of law.
Ahhh, the good old days... I remember back in 2002 when I was banished from ADT, having a similar discussion with the more combative owner of the pair about this topic. He thought it was okay to remove my pen name from my reviews and I pointed out the problems with him doing so, including their lack of "consideration" in their "contract" (which was changed well after the submissions by the way). I gave him the one time option of leaving my name on them to continue using the reviews which he declined.
As far as selling the website, which has been brought up a time or two in recent years, I wonder how much they'd have to pay my current publisher since they started off with an agreement to him for using their name long ago. Given the number of fanboy reviews, I don't think that part of the website would be worth very much these days and any decent programmer could cobble out a price search engine of equal or greater value if so motivated.
Otherwise, I've written under various names for a number of websites (including some positive reviews of JM product) but the question is a valid one and has been since the first reviews were "sold" in print magazines years before AVN was around so why should anything change when the controls are so much more lax thanks to the internet?
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"I'm rich. I'm a strong, trained fighter. I own a gun. And I am completely...fucking ... psychotic." Kurt Lockwood ranting yet again
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#6368 - 03/23/07 08:15 AM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 775
Loc: Snottsdale, Arizona
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Well take EA for example. They hire these novice directors like Jay Sin who could never get a 4* review if his life depended on it, and they hire them over there. Now he will do no worse than 4* reviews. It makes EA look like a huge laughing stock. John's more than willing to pay hundreds of thousands a year to fill up his trophy cases with plastic... and now Jules is following his strategy.
I honestly wonder why people put up with AVN and their facade. The whole thing is so nonsensical. What am I going to do with these four pieces of plastic? The day after I get them they become worthless. I can't even sell them to some whacked out collector. It's porn. It's a joke. These companies should be embarassed that all their peers know their movies and directors don't earn awards, their advertising does.
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#6370 - 03/24/07 05:32 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 03/11/07
Posts: 451
Loc: Houston
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Well take EA for example. They hire these novice directors like Jay Sin who could never get a 4* review if his life depended on it, and they hire them over there. Now he will do no worse than 4* reviews. It makes EA look like a huge laughing stock. John's more than willing to pay hundreds of thousands a year to fill up his trophy cases with plastic... and now Jules is following his strategy.
I honestly wonder why people put up with AVN and their facade. The whole thing is so nonsensical. What am I going to do with these four pieces of plastic? The day after I get them they become worthless. I can't even sell them to some whacked out collector. It's porn. It's a joke. These companies should be embarassed that all their peers know their movies and directors don't earn awards, their advertising does.
Evil Angel is mainly a distributor for their directors so it really doesn't cost them that much to advertise given it's largely on someone else's dime. They have to do something for their cut, yes? In terms of effectiveness, their advertising gets the attention of distributors, store owners, and consumers regardless of what reviewers or trade magazines write; elevating the awareness a product even exists is a big step towards sales (awards can assist but with all the organizations handing out awards these days, how much of an impact they make probably varies a lot).
As far as your AVN comments are concerned, to some people it helps legitimize their career choice. They may all agree with your assessment but take a look at their faces when award time comes around in January-they sure don't have poker faces about it when they lose. But what are any awards these days (mainstream or porn) except glorified popularity contests. On the other hand, there are plenty of times when many companies advertise heavily; meaning all the competitors can't win, yes?
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