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#560343 - 07/20/12 05:52 PM attention pov titfuck porn directors
frankie fatale Offline
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start shooting two women on one guy pov titfuck scenes a little more frequently.it happens here and there but you guys seldom do some double titfucking(i.e. dick sliding between both pairs of tits).also have two guys on one girl pov titfucking.heres some pics and gifs for ideas/motivation.keep on putting out those great dvds and ill keep buying them.














next pics are included just because theyre hot









kevin moore,jonni darkko,elegant angel,and score,if you guys want to send me some screeners id be happy to give them honest reviews.contact me here or myspace.com/shootfrank
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#560345 - 07/20/12 06:01 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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tickle me and rub my belly








put emma starr in some videos^






do some bra still on scenes(scores i know you guys have).and also some fishnets over the tits and titfucking while the fishnets are still covering the tits.i saw this in a brazzers trailer with eva notty the other day.hot!




dont fear the art of titfucking.embrace it.strands of pearls will glaze those that are enlightened.

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#560351 - 07/20/12 07:23 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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It's like it's own big titty dead inside eyes thread.
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#560359 - 07/20/12 08:21 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
Bornyo Offline
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Worse.

I've tit-fucked before. It's always been a grudge thing where the chick was too hungover or tired or whatever to have, you know, actual sex. It's severely lacking except for the inevitable facial but hell, to each his own.

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#560476 - 07/21/12 05:51 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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cheers to all the pov titfuck directors out there.
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#560748 - 07/23/12 09:07 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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i was watching the trailers for the big tit crackers videos on evil angel(which i plan on getting now) and saw one of the whores rubbing and jerking two dicks on her nipples at the same time.it kind of reminded me of mckenzie lee in boob bangers 8.this needs to be done in all titfuck videos.

and actually it might have happened in slut tracker 2.i dont remember i saw those three trailers last night.theyre all john leslie releases.
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#561319 - 07/27/12 02:00 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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thought id give this a titbump.just found this gif which is exactly what i was talking about.




pair eva notty and maserati xxx in the same scene.money in the bank.












hard work deserves a reward





siri and eva notty would be good in the same scene also.
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#561500 - 07/28/12 06:47 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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just came to my attention.allison moore



put her to work guys.



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#561503 - 07/28/12 06:55 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: Bornyo]
Jigaloo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bornyo
Worse.

I've tit-fucked before. It's always been a grudge thing where the chick was too hungover or tired or whatever to have, you know, actual sex. It's severely lacking except for the inevitable facial but hell, to each his own.


[adt]If she's too drunk or tired just take her pants off yourself.[/adt]
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#561518 - 07/28/12 08:42 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: Jigaloo]
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Good ides, but keep it to one dick and two pairs.

Also like the idea of tit fuck and ass licking when coming in from the top!

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#561575 - 07/29/12 09:08 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
frankie fatale Offline
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who put the gay black twink in my post above?^
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#561791 - 07/31/12 07:23 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
frankie fatale Offline
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nobodies gonna admit to it?thats not cool,its one thing to do something,but its another to do it and then not hone up to it.

some more inspiration:








nipple on dick and/or balls= hot.keep it up.













dont be economical girlie men,shoot more titfucking porn.elegant angel you guys are doing good work with fuck my tits 7.put that trailer up already.good boxcover,front and back of course.

hey vince voyeur,i like what youve been doing with the titty sweat series.great casting of whores shot well and focusing on tits.put out more of these and maybe put out a pov titfuck series.keep those bonus scenes coming also.always nice to take a stroll through pov alley.
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#562326 - 08/05/12 02:55 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
frankie fatale Offline
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imagine this but shot pov^.
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#562732 - 08/10/12 01:44 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
frankie fatale Offline
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ea im still waiting on that trailer.i hope you continue to see how viable titfucking porn is and continue in the new direction your series is taking. tittyfuck rogerrabbit bouncingtits

also kevin moore,love all the shit youre doing but how about adding a femoral pussy fucking video series?





also make tan lines an ongoing series.to see some really hot riley evans pov juggfuckers scene.











keep crackfuckers going also.




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#564437 - 08/24/12 06:29 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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more tit motivation





try some pin up style stuff







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#565489 - 09/02/12 04:03 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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OH YES!
tit fucking is amazing! its always good to end a scene with tits and face covered in cum!
shyla stylez and dylan ryder combination would be good!
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#565557 - 09/02/12 09:02 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: twistedtreemedia]
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Originally Posted By: twistedtreemedia
OH YES!
tit fucking is amazing! its always good to end a scene with tits and face covered in cum!
shyla stylez and dylan ryder combination would be good!

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#566104 - 09/07/12 08:35 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: butterman]
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Originally Posted By: butterman
Good ides, but keep it to one dick and two pairs.

Also like the idea of tit fuck and ass licking when coming in from the top!
jessica moore did this in her boob bangers dp scene.forget which number and im too lazy to go check.
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#566432 - 09/09/12 10:55 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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try to put a little of this into a scene^

then this









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#567252 - 09/14/12 07:15 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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more two girl scenes please.
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#567658 - 09/16/12 10:31 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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#570809 - 10/13/12 08:10 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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some more titilation for the titfuck nation
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#571086 - 10/18/12 07:05 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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How about scenes with some lactating titty fucking- call it cocks and cream smile

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#571194 - 10/19/12 05:32 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
frankie fatale Offline
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as long as the whores arent pregnant.


















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i think of the past and how the future isnt how i imagined it,but the past is exactly where i unraveled it.excuses for failed attempts, gained another one i used a noose
it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#571501 - 10/21/12 11:51 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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dont neglect the mature porn stars out there when casting these dvds




karen fisher,lisa ann,veronica avluv,puma swede,rebecca bardoux,rachel love,rebecca love,etc ill think of more.
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i think of the past and how the future isnt how i imagined it,but the past is exactly where i unraveled it.excuses for failed attempts, gained another one i used a noose
it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#571783 - 10/25/12 10:22 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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good pairings make for great scenes








nikki rhodes and faye reagan would be perfect for a dual titfucking scene



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i think of the past and how the future isnt how i imagined it,but the past is exactly where i unraveled it.excuses for failed attempts, gained another one i used a noose
it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#571794 - 10/26/12 10:38 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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I know Katie Kox but who's the brunette with her?
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#571812 - 10/26/12 11:37 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
frankie fatale Offline
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catalina cruz.at first glance on the blog i saw those pics on,i thought she was gia di marco.id like to see dimarco and cruz do a tf scene together.if not dimarco and kendra lust.
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#571917 - 10/28/12 01:54 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#571925 - 10/28/12 04:57 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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I know Sara Stone and want to say Alanah Rae for the blonde but I'm not sure it's her. So who it be?
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#571947 - 10/28/12 08:08 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
frankie fatale Offline
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actually jig,youre correct.its the always sexy alanah rae and those great tits of hers.
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#572166 - 10/29/12 08:43 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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According to image search it's Abby Brooks.
Abbey or Abby
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#572168 - 10/29/12 08:46 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: backdoorman]
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Then again in the search it says Allanah Rae.
I think I concur with Frankie
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#572179 - 10/29/12 09:02 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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I'd say Alanah over Abby.
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#572190 - 10/29/12 10:06 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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according to my frank,its alanah rae.
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#572369 - 10/31/12 07:55 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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zuzana



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#572370 - 10/31/12 07:58 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#572771 - 11/04/12 05:10 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#572773 - 11/04/12 05:16 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#573013 - 11/06/12 12:27 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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jig said its sienna wests birthday.so lets get lubed up.










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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#573392 - 11/10/12 06:08 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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^^^^^^^^^^^
Sienna rocks! One of the best tit-jobs and DSL's to boot!

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#573699 - 11/13/12 02:46 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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1st page, 1st girl...anyone know who that is???
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#573700 - 11/13/12 04:23 AM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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Honey DeJour
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#574565 - 11/19/12 03:41 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: Tritone]
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Originally Posted By: amberraynefan
^^^^^^^^^^^
Sienna rocks! One of the best tit-jobs and DSL's to boot!
one of the greatest spanish pws of all time.
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#574692 - 11/20/12 05:32 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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dont be afraid of putting some plumpers in there too^.
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#574693 - 11/20/12 05:36 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#574695 - 11/20/12 05:38 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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cfnm editions would be great for the holidays.


include more stuff like this too^
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i think of the past and how the future isnt how i imagined it,but the past is exactly where i unraveled it.excuses for failed attempts, gained another one i used a noose
it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#574942 - 11/22/12 07:00 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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#574944 - 11/22/12 07:02 PM Re: attention pov titfuck porn directors [Re: frankie fatale]
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i think of the past and how the future isnt how i imagined it,but the past is exactly where i unraveled it.excuses for failed attempts, gained another one i used a noose
it’s not until you fall apart you see the screws are loose-cage

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