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#60308 - 10/01/04 05:11 AM Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Le Sick Fuck Offline
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I just read this little blip on LukeFord.com between Fayner and Ariana Jollee;

"So, Ariana, did you really just do a 65-guy cream pie in Europe?"

"Yeah! It was awesome! It's the best scene I've ever done!"



I never know how to take Fayner. Did Ariana actually perform a 65 man creampie?
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#60309 - 10/01/04 07:43 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
RobertF Offline
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65 guys, holy fuck. There had to be cum everywhere.
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#60310 - 10/01/04 09:08 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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Wasn't it shot in Europe? Gee, I wonder how she checked & verified the medical tests? I guess Darren got HIV from a toilet seat?
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#60311 - 10/01/04 09:14 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
melissa Offline
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Registered: 05/02/04
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Wasn't it shot in Europe? Gee, I wonder how she checked & verified the medical tests? I guess Darren got HIV from a toilet seat?




Was shot in Prague. Whole story on ADT.
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#60312 - 10/01/04 09:37 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Le Sick Fuck Offline
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Registered: 09/21/04
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Wasn't it shot in Europe? Gee, I wonder how she checked & verified the medical tests? I guess Darren got HIV from a toilet seat?







Funky, I saw a dpp/dap movie from DVSX (shot last year in Europe) and right there on the screen, doing unprotected double pussy, was Zdeno Reif, a guy who has done tons of gay porn in the Czech Republic. I wonder if the guys at DVSX knew they were using a gay porn star in their straight flick. I doubt it.

Really, I wonder how safe it really is for Ariana to have 65 loads blown off inside her.
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#60313 - 10/01/04 09:54 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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Wasn't it shot in Europe? Gee, I wonder how she checked & verified the medical tests? I guess Darren got HIV from a toilet seat?




Was shot in Prague. Whole story on ADT.




I saw that thread, but no one asked about testing, made any comparisons to Darren James, or said anything else inconvenient.

I don't dislike Ariana, but isn't this exactly what Darren James did in Brazil? Or is there something like AIM in Prague for getting verified test results (to make sure the test isn't faked)? Something to stop a Marc Wallice?
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#60314 - 10/01/04 11:18 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Ali G. 13 Offline
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Thats heavy duty. Whats the overhead on something like this for ariana? Whats the action coming her way?

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#60315 - 10/01/04 11:39 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
melissa Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

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Wasn't it shot in Europe? Gee, I wonder how she checked & verified the medical tests? I guess Darren got HIV from a toilet seat?




Was shot in Prague. Whole story on ADT.




I saw that thread, but no one asked about testing, made any comparisons to Darren James, or said anything else inconvenient.

I don't dislike Ariana, but isn't this exactly what Darren James did in Brazil? Or is there something like AIM in Prague for getting verified test results (to make sure the test isn't faked)? Something to stop a Marc Wallice?





As i shot in Europe i can answeer a few questions, but the best is to ask Ariana herself.

There is NO AIM in Europe, and you do not have the obligation to get tested in the same lab as everyone when you work there.

In Europe, the only requirement you have to perform is to have a HIV Elisa (not DNA) test that is less than 1 month.
No chlamidiae, gonnorhea, etc.

You can only get a DNA-HIV test in a very few places, and no one gets it anyway there.

But Ariana isn t a stupid girl, so she might have required it for everyone.

The thing that actually sucks is that people are saying she worked here in L.A right after doing the GB in Prague, without getting a new test.

Hopefully again it might be bullshit.

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#60316 - 10/01/04 11:48 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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The thing that actually sucks is that i heard she worked here in L.A right after doing the GB in Prague, without getting a new test.

Hopefully again it might be bullshit.





Hopefully, if not
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#60317 - 10/01/04 12:20 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
kyoto Offline
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Registered: 05/06/04
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Loc: IL
I highly doubt Ariana would be so reckless to not have those guys tested in Prague. And working without having a test after a gangbang? very dangerous. but Ariana has a reputation for being careful so until we hear the entire story it's all rumors and speculation.

P.S. I'd like to line up Melissa and Ariana and lick both their asses yummy

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#60318 - 10/01/04 12:51 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
DiamondDave Offline
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Registered: 05/01/04
Posts: 145
Loc: Texas
Ariana in a 65 man creampie?

Holy shit. It musta been squirting out her ears.

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#60319 - 10/01/04 12:55 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
RobertF Offline
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Registered: 04/20/03
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I highly doubt Ariana would be so reckless to not have those guys tested in Prague. And working without having a test after a gangbang? very dangerous. but Ariana has a reputation for being careful so until we hear the entire story it's all rumors and speculation.

P.S. I'd like to line up Melissa and Ariana and lick both their asses yummy




65 tested guys, that is pretty unlikely.
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#60320 - 10/01/04 01:02 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
DukeAbercrombie1 Offline
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Registered: 10/27/03
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i talked to ariana before, shes a really cool chick, i invited her here but she says everyone is too mean. lol

she has a kickass new convertable
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#60321 - 10/01/04 01:26 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Ali G. 13 Offline
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 144
Loc: Los Angeles
Fayner conversates with her maybe he can answer for ariana?

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#60322 - 10/01/04 01:31 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Le Sick Fuck Offline
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Registered: 09/21/04
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Quote:

Fayner conversates with her maybe he can answer for ariana?





Ya, why hasn't the Monkey weighed in on this yet?
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#60323 - 10/01/04 01:37 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
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There is NO AIM in Europe, and you do not have the obligation to get tested in the same lab as everyone when you work there.



My concern is not just whether the guys got tests, but whether Ariana can be sure none of them LIED about their tests. And I assume Ariana doesn't speak Czech, so how would verification work anyway? It's not enough that everybody shows her a HIV- test, she has to be sure none of those tests are faked.

PS. I'm not sure Melissa knows that when Marc Wallice infected several years he had HIV- test results - but they were fake. And Marc was no outsider or new talent: he had been performing at least ten years and had been one of the top guys.

That's why the big point with AIM is to verify tests - US porn has already had someone produce HIV- results (that turned out to be fake) and infect several people.
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#60324 - 10/01/04 01:40 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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Quote:

Quote:

There is NO AIM in Europe, and you do not have the obligation to get tested in the same lab as everyone when you work there.



My concern is not just whether the guys got tests, but whether Ariana can be sure none of them LIED about their tests. And I assume Ariana doesn't speak Czech, so how would verification work anyway? It's not enough that everybody shows her a HIV- test, she has to be sure none of those tests are faked.

PS. I'm not sure Melissa knows that when Marc Wallice infected several years he had HIV- test results - but they were fake. And Marc was no outsider or new talent: he had been performing at least ten years and had been one of the top guys.

That's why the big point with AIM is to verify tests - US porn has already had someone produce HIV- results (that turned out to be fake) and infect several people.





Sometimes I wonder what the fuck is going through a porn girl's head when they consent to some of the things they do.

This is definitely one of those times.
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#60325 - 10/01/04 01:48 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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i talked to ariana before, shes a really cool chick, i invited her here but she says everyone is too mean. lol



Look at the posts from when she used to post here. There was a loser named "His Excellency" that was way over the line. I don't blame Ariana a bit from not wanting any of the "KILL KILL KILL" garbage.

That won't happen again, but it is true that there would be questions she might not like, such as whether there's any difference between her trip to Prague and Darren James' trip to Brazil.
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#60326 - 10/01/04 01:55 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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Quote:

i talked to ariana before, shes a really cool chick, i invited her here but she says everyone is too mean. lol



Look at the posts from when she used to post here. There was a loser named "His Excellency" that was way over the line. I don't blame Ariana a bit from not wanting any of the "KILL KILL KILL" garbage.

That won't happen again, but it is true that there would be questions she might not like, such as whether there's any difference between her trip to Prague and Darren James' trip to Brazil.





Back when I was just a trepidatious lurker on XXXponrtalk from my jaunts over on rame, I was absolutely stunned by the serial hatred thrown at the porners who hung out here.

Brandon Iron deals with it every time he posts here.

Melissa Lauren gets it... sometimes.

A few porners here and there still get jabs, even Taylor Rain who showed up here the other night. She got poked from a few who doubted that it was actually her.

Before Sammura was run out of here, I jumped on board her ship and tried to keep the shit cool. I don't see the purpose in trashing porners. They make the movies we jerk off too, why would we want to hate them for it.

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#60327 - 10/01/04 02:29 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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- Brandon Iron deals with it every time he posts here.

Brandon has earned what he gets. Read the history on Monsieur, Brandon calling Steve Holmes "gramps", etc.

Brandon has also been caught posting boxcovers here and then linking to those from elsewhere instead of linking to his own server for promotional posts (ie, spending Jeff's bandwidth money to promote Brandon's videos)

And, Brandon got kicked out of performing in JM Bukkakes because he was trying to pick up the other guys (supposedly for his own shoots, but you never know )

So I think Brandon more-or-less gets what he's earned here.

- Melissa Lauren gets it... sometimes.

I haven't seen this. The worst I saw that she got was the posts raging about "illegal alien whores", which I did act on, and which turned out to be posted by ... Brandon.

- A few porners here and there still get jabs, even Taylor Rain who showed up here the other night. She got poked from a few who doubted that it was actually her.

Well, xxxporntalk isn't going to guarantee only sweetness and light, and two posts out the blue, in that tone, with no intent on joining the flow ... that's about what you'd get.

- Before Sammura was run out of here, I jumped on board her ship and tried to keep the shit cool. I don't see the purpose in trashing porners. They make the movies we jerk off too, why would we want to hate them for it.

Sammura is a special case. We're talking a living, breathing stereotype here. I actually did start to get involved when she complained about people saying "nigger" and found that over the life of xxxpt we had exactly one user saying that regularly - Sammura!

Looking carefully she wasn't on the receiving end of the B.S. - she's always the one that started it. And she got banned for making up claims that others were sending kiddie porn.

The most telling thing about Sammura is that the BGOL people don't like her any more than xxxpt, and they are just as hard on her.
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#60328 - 10/01/04 02:45 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Cleetus VanDamme Offline
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Jrv, you summed it up perfectly- Most people are respectful to the porners who post here and I would see no reason for any porn star not to post here...... if they have even a small dose of a sense of humor. I will say that this board in it's present incarnation may be viewed as hard by some people if they don't have a good sense of humor. All the girls who presently post here are both very cool and have great senses of humor. Everybody gets a zinger thrown their way at one time or another but most people here either let it slide and laugh or give it right back like Gen, Kami and Melissa. While I would like more porners to post, I could care less if they did if they had no sense of humor. I had the experience where in my first few posts on a nameless adult forum a male porn star jumped down my through- essentially calling me stupid- what am I going to do- stop posting, hell no. That said sometimes people attack the porn stars without being in jest and I find that very uncool- and lately those type of posters don't seem to last long.
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#60329 - 10/01/04 02:46 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Toelicker Offline
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Registered: 04/21/04
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A few porners here and there still get jabs, even Taylor Rain who showed up here the other night. She got poked from a few who doubted that it was actually her.






Exactly what comments are you referring to? Put up, bro.

It is probably not her, but if it is and she comes and makes it clear, or clearer, then she will get plenty of positive attention.

No, you won't find an atmosphere her in which every porn girl that posts word one gets board fucked with "I love you's" and "you're beautiful's."

I don't think there is any reason to run off talent, either. But the two or three posts from "taylor rain" a few days ago are certainly not enough to elicit too much fanboy admiration, not yet.

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#60330 - 10/01/04 02:53 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Le Sick Fuck Offline
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Registered: 09/21/04
Posts: 295
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- Brandon Iron deals with it every time he posts here.

Brandon has earned what he gets. Read the history on Monsieur, Brandon calling Steve Holmes "gramps", etc.

Brandon has also been caught posting boxcovers here and then linking to those from elsewhere instead of linking to his own server for promotional posts (ie, spending Jeff's bandwidth money to promote Brandon's videos)

And, Brandon got kicked out of performing in JM Bukkakes because he was trying to pick up the other guys (supposedly for his own shoots, but you never know )

So I think Brandon more-or-less gets what he's earned here.





So Brandon really is Monsier?

But it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense when one examines their posts. There is this constant back and forth between them, that is, well, loaded with jabs at everything from his physical appearence to his product. Why would Brandon take the time to have a running fight with himself on a chat board?
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#60331 - 10/01/04 03:17 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Toelicker Offline
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Good question, lol. I have asked the same thing. It is odd, to say the least.

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#60332 - 10/01/04 05:11 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
smutspov Offline
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Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 9489
my advice for anybody lurking who's considering to join xxxporntalk, if you can't take the heat stay outta the kitchen, bitch. porn babes who let themselves be run off shouldn't stay anyway, but there's always the stupid acts of the few saboteurs or sickos that understandably turn some off for good. If you're expecting to get your ass kissed endlessly go somewhere else, toots. Not all porn fans are starry-eyed dupes wanting autographs, but there is a purpose for bullshit places like ADT: Let it be an idiot magnet/flystrip for the nerds and narcissistic industry people with bloated egos.
btw, I bet Ariana was like a krispy creme of diseased ooze after the 65 guy creampie if it's true.
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#60333 - 10/01/04 05:16 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Le Sick Fuck Offline
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Registered: 09/21/04
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Quote:


btw, I bet Ariana was like a krispy creme of diseased ooze after the 65 guy creampie if it's true.





C'mon Smut, admit it, you were the last man in weren't ya.
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#60334 - 10/01/04 05:52 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
melissa Offline
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Registered: 05/02/04
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Quote:

I highly doubt Ariana would be so reckless to not have those guys tested in Prague. And working without having a test after a gangbang? very dangerous. but Ariana has a reputation for being careful so until we hear the entire story it's all rumors and speculation.





well said.
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#60335 - 10/01/04 07:34 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Kryptic Offline
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Well allow my to throw my 2 cents in, cause I am sure that everyone actually gives a shit what I think.

If she did do a 65 guy creampie in Europe then she needs to be run outta porn, cause I know the testing over there isn't on the same shitty level we got over here. The tests here from AIM are only as good as the day its taken, after that it is useless. But hey at least it is better than nothing, and is useful for catching HIV in its early stages, well sort of. I hate the companies that go out of the country to shoot, goddamnit I wanna see good ol fashioned American porn with good ol fashioned American Whores. In my opinion it is just reckless for companies to go where the testing is spotty or non-existant. I know companies gotta make money and all that good shit, it is after all bizness, but after the last HIV outbreak figured it would be a wake-up call for companies to keep their asses in America. The companies need to get there shit together and not shoot the people that are fresh from overseas, until they are clean for a month or two on their AIM tests. If companies did that, then the talent would stop being reckless and endangering others for a few bucks. Cause the amount they could make overseas wouldn't make up for the amount they would lose for not being able to work for a month or two. Or I could just be full of shit and noone should pay any attention to me. Either way who cares.

As far as Porn Chicks not posting here cause we are all to mean, that is a load of shit. The one thing I love about xxxporntalk is that you can say whatever the fuck you want(well within limits), and you don't have to kiss a bunch of asses if you don't want to. I guess I can see where some of the porno chicks are coming from, they are used to having their asses kissed and having everything they say regarded as sacred script and shit. But if I don't like you I am gonna come out and say it(Teagan comes to mind). Now just being mean for the sake of being mean is a bit overboard. Thats why my fav porno chicks are all from xxxporntalk, cause they have the fuckin balls to come on here and dish it out and take it back. So all you xxxporntalk chicks, you fuckin rock!!!
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#60336 - 10/01/04 08:24 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Ren Galskap Offline
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Registered: 07/21/04
Posts: 92
Quote:

The tests here from AIM are only as good as the day its taken, after that it is useless.




Actually, not that good. Darren James had himself tested when he got back from Brazil. Even though he was infected, the test was negative. There's a period of serveral days after infection during which the PCR-DNA test won't detect the virus because there isn't enough of it. CDC is conservative and says that period is 14 days. AIM says that in practice they can detect the virus within seven days. If you have yourself tested every 28 days, and there's a 7 day period before the test can detect the HIV virus, then if you are infected, there's a 25% chance that the test won't detect it the first time.

The AIM testing program is actually pretty effective, but that's because of the way the test is applied. The PCR-DNA test without the program wouldn't do much good. Even if Ariana had all the guys tested on the day of the shoot, she's still taking a big risk.

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So all you xxxporntalk chicks, you fuckin rock!!!



Absolutely.

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#60337 - 10/01/04 09:02 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
jamesn Offline
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eastern european laws don't mean much. as much as aim leaves to be desired, they're probably more upright than ukranian mobsters/doctors.
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#60338 - 10/01/04 10:51 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Red Light Misfit Offline
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Registered: 01/25/04
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Based on the comments here, it seems that Ariana is a girl who understands the risk involved with this type of shooting.

So, I wonder how much money she was paid to make her take the risk. Anyone have an educated guess?

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#60339 - 10/02/04 03:02 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
XXXbitionist Offline
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I think a bigger question is who do we blame for the risky porn sex that is being filmed overseas...

the company that goes over there and risk infecting the American talent pool.....or the American pornstar who goes over there performs risky sex and comes back to the states?....
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#60340 - 10/02/04 03:58 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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#60341 - 10/02/04 08:22 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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Wow! 65 shots up the twat.

1, 2, freddy is cumming for you
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#60342 - 10/02/04 11:09 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Ali G. 13 Offline
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Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 144
Loc: Los Angeles
In case you have not noticed, this board is way too bias, and only favors a few. Say something about those few, instant witch hunt. Anyways I guess you have to take the good with the bad if porn peeps are going to post here. If its Talyor give us some exclusive shit from your site to appease the masses. If not stop fucking around because you sound like an idiot. And jesus the more I think about that 65 cream pie, The more I think you could'nt pay me enough to be the 10th guy, let alone the 65th.

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#60343 - 10/02/04 11:16 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
zenman Offline

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It. And jesus the more I think about that 65 cream pie, The more I think you could'nt pay me enough to be the 10th guy, let alone the 65th.




Frankly, I can't even visualize it. A guy is going to stick his dick up the whore's pussy while another parolee's spunk is oozing out? I don't even want to think about it.
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#60344 - 10/02/04 11:33 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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Quote:

Wow! 65 shots up the twat.



Ariana is not usually a one-hole whore, not in the pussy anyway. I imagine there is a cream pie everywhere modern pornological science has discover that a cock can be inserted.
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#60345 - 10/02/04 01:06 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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#60346 - 10/02/04 01:21 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
smutspov Offline
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Ugh, only europeans would stick their cocks into a gurgling cauldron of fetid spunk like that....
Imagine the paternity testing if she got knocked up? I bet the offspring would be rosemary's baby or Damien
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#60347 - 10/02/04 04:23 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Mike Meatmaster Offline
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I would be really pissed if I was number 65... unless I was Brandon.
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#60348 - 10/02/04 06:56 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Le Sick Fuck Offline
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Quote:

I would be really pissed if I was number 65... unless I was Brandon.





This 65 man creampie is wrong for so many reasons, not the least being that it's a whole lotta gay, but in the end, I wonder how long it will take before a North American producer will try to out-do it.
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#60349 - 10/02/04 07:05 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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It doesn't even have that "freak show" appeal that would make me even curious enough to see it.
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#60350 - 10/02/04 08:04 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Red Light Misfit Offline
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I'm kind of curious to see this. Anyone know when it's coming out?

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#60351 - 10/02/04 08:07 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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Quote:

I'm kind of curious to see this. Anyone know when it's coming out?



January 2005
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#60352 - 10/02/04 10:39 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
HoRnY Toad Offline
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Arianna,
Congratulation you now have HIV!
Just kidding, I know they shot this in Europe for a reason.
It is not that there is not enough guys in the USA.

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#60353 - 10/03/04 06:40 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Mike Meatmaster Offline
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I'm curious what the odds are on her getting pregnant.
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#60354 - 10/03/04 08:05 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Red Light Misfit Offline
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So, anyone have an educated guess on how much a girl can make for this type of shoot?

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#60355 - 10/03/04 08:13 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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And, what other scenes did she shoot there? It seems unlikely someone flew her out for a single shoot.
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#60356 - 10/03/04 08:14 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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Has she worked since she's come back?

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#60357 - 10/03/04 08:20 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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Quote:

Has she worked since she's come back?




she needs to be put on the quarantine list for at least a month.

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#60358 - 10/03/04 08:28 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Red Light Misfit Offline
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Do people even still worry about HIV? It's been months since the last outbreak.

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#60359 - 10/03/04 08:29 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
RobertF Offline
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Quote:

So, anyone have an educated guess on how much a girl can make for this type of shoot?



My educated guess would be $4,000 - $5,000 or so.
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#60360 - 10/03/04 08:44 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
jamesn Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

Has she worked since she's come back?




she needs to be put on the quarantine list for at least a month.




dumb girl unless she's actually trying to mix enough strains of hiv to create a super-retrovirus and rule the world. i suggest lysol, incineration, more lysol and shooting what's left into outer space with the remaining smallpox samples. i love the fact you can't bring invasive chinese fish species into the united states but all typhoid mary needs is to remember her passport.


Edited by jamesn (10/03/04 09:16 PM)
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#60361 - 10/04/04 04:05 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Icetech Offline
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4-5k for letting 65 guys cum in you? whats a 1 on 1 $20 and cab money?
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#60362 - 10/04/04 04:42 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
TrinityJames Offline
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I dont care what she or anybody else that goes over there to shoot does as long as they dont come back and pass everything to us people that do make sure we are safe....in my eyes it is total lack of respect for the rest of the industry
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#60363 - 10/04/04 11:00 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Le Sick Fuck Offline
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Quote:

I dont care what she or anybody else that goes over there to shoot does as long as they dont come back and pass everything to us people that do make sure we are safe....in my eyes it is total lack of respect for the rest of the industry





Wow, usually when it comes to porn girls doing stupid shit like what Ariana has done, most other pornstars just stay quiet about it until it blows over -- not Trinity.

You go girl!
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#60364 - 10/05/04 03:13 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Tammi Lynn S. Offline
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When I saw this post my first thought was "well, there's worse ways to commit suicide." I hope she was careful but reading what's in this thread I have to wonder what the hell she was thinking.

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#60365 - 10/05/04 03:27 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Toelicker Offline
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Ren posted a thread bringing this topic up at ADT a day or two ago. He wasn't confrontational or rude. He just broached the subject.

There is, as of right now, not a single response except to move it.

Very telling.
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#60366 - 10/05/04 09:29 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Ren Galskap Offline
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Quote:

Ren posted a thread bringing this topic up at ADT a day or two ago. He wasn't confrontational or rude. He just broached the subject.




I try not to be an asshole outside of the monkey cage.

Quote:

There is, as of right now, not a single response except to move it.

Very telling.




Yea. If you're smart and tough, you can manage your work to minimize the risk. But a lot of people are afraid of the subject and don't want to think about it, which means they're not doing even the minimum to protect themselves. With luck, one or two performers will read it, think about it, and become a little more careful.

My basic point was that all tests are flawed. LA has a testing program that helps overcome part of the problem. If you use an HIV test in another part of the world that doesn't have a similar testing program, you're not getting the same protection.

I don't know this, but I'm assuming that the reason for doing 50 man gangbangs (or 1,000 man gangbangs, in Sparks case) is financial. I don't know what the going rates are, but I suspect that hiring 50 guys in Eastern Europe instead of the US saves thousands of dollars. I also assume that is the reason for using fans; they work for free. Unfortunately, this means that you're drawing your male performers from a population that isn't tested regularly. Even if you test them, one shot testing isn't as effective as using people who are part of a regular testing program.

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#60367 - 10/05/04 09:56 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Red Light Misfit Offline
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Wait a minute. She worked with fans and not regularly tested performers?

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#60368 - 10/06/04 09:01 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Ren Galskap Offline
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Quote:

Wait a minute. She worked with fans and not regularly tested performers?




I mentioned fans in reference to Givens's upcoming anal gangbang.

From AdultFYI:
Quote:

Givens notes that the gangbang is open to fans.



and
Quote:

On the issue of the tests themselves, Givens said at the beginning she was requesting PCR-DNA. "But people are applying from other states and they have no clue and no access to that. In North Carolina it's like $600." Because of those possible complications, Givens said she's no longer requiring the PCR-DNA. "That would be great but as long as it's some type of HIV test."




The PCR-DNA is preferred for porn because it can detect HIV starting roughly seven days after the infection occurred. ELIZA isn't effective until three to six months after the infection. With the performers who take the PCR-DNA, Victoria Givens is gambling that none of them will have been infected within seven days prior to the test, or any time after. With the ELIZA, she's gambling that none of the fans have been infected within three months prior to the test, or any time after.

If I were Givens, I'd think that $600 was pretty cheap for a ticket into my asshole. I'd tell those North Carolina boys to pay the price or go find a possum.

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#60369 - 10/06/04 01:00 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
XXXbitionist Offline
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they were talking about over at ADT (very tamely) and she decided to respond.

"
i didn't realize that engaging in risky behavior happens to go hand in hand with the governments "threatening actions"... to the best of my knowledge a sex act is a sex act whether it be myself banging 65 guys or the girl next to me having straight up vaginal sex with one partner.

the last thing I AM is naive; i am oh so well aware of the difference. at the end of the day the last thing i am worrying about is your comments on my contribution to the fall of our industry.

darling, it is i who will be here 20 years from now on top of my game, successful and very very happy. you can sit there with your incredibly strong finger muscles attacking me all you want; but in all reality if you feel so strongly maybe you should put your strength and your emotions to better use.

some people will stand there and place blame, or point the finger if you would and others, who do not even bother saying a word; are fighting for your motherfucking right to be a goddamn pervert.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THOSE PEOPLE ARE WHOM YOU ATTACK !


and what are you doing ? you are writing on a fan website... congratulations you have made such a difference in the fight.

i sincerely hope that my sarcasm is clear to you.

i have chosen not to reply, or acknowledge any of the threads in reference to the industries ordeal with the health department this long for a reason. maybe i should not bother hitting post new reply even know.... but this had to be said.

all my love, and prayers for those cattle who feel they have to create their own drama.

and all of my heart to my most wonderful fans who are a constant reminder of why i do what i do.

as ever,

ariana
xxx"


didn't even address the concerns of the fans and other industry talent.
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#60370 - 10/06/04 01:47 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Cleetus VanDamme Offline
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her treatment of this subject and the fans would annoy me - IF I cared about her at all. She is Ok but I don't pay attention one way or another about her when purchasing a movie.
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#60371 - 10/06/04 02:34 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Toelicker Offline
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She was angry. She apologizes later.

I think two different issues are getting confused. Mainly, the intelligence of letting 65 guys irrigate your womb with spunk vs. whether or not gov should mandate health regulations in porn, ie mandatory condoms.

In my opinion it is not contradictory to believe that both are stupid.

These two issues are getting confused, more and more.

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#60372 - 10/06/04 07:01 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
2cums Offline
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The fans want to see this. The fans want to see that.

Is there a 1-800 hotline fans call in to give their opinions to directors?

Caller 1: Hi, I want to see Ariana get creamed like no tomorrow. I want to see cum running out of her pussy like the Mississippi River. Thank you.

Caller 2: Hello? Yes, I want to see 15 cocks in a girls asshole at the same time. Stretch it out good. Thanks.

Caller 3: Good Morning. I'd love to see a woman fuck 2000 men. Get a good close up of a before and after and then capture it splitscreen. Oh, thats good jackin material.

Of course I'm joking around and assume that when they say fans, it really means sales.


Back on topic, did Ariana fuck on film when she got back to the USA and not go into quarintine?
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#60373 - 10/06/04 07:55 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Red Light Misfit Offline
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She's still going to be in the porn industry in 20 years? Do girls stick around that long?

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#60374 - 10/06/04 08:28 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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Quote:

She's still going to be in the porn industry in 20 years? Do girls stick around that long?



Careena Collins has. And that's about it.
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#60375 - 10/06/04 09:02 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
HoRnY Toad Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

She's still going to be in the porn industry in 20 years? Do girls stick around that long?



Careena Collins has. And that's about it.




from what i hear she gets chummy with the directors and beg them to shoot her cheap. have you seen her? she is ugly and fat

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#60376 - 10/06/04 10:15 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
JRV Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

Careena Collins has. And that's about it.



from what i hear she gets chummy with the directors and beg them to shoot her cheap. have you seen her? she is ugly and fat



The only recent pictures I've seen of her are from an Evolution shoot where her makeup was really bad. She has two videos hitting the street in the next week so I'll see then: she didn't look any thicker that a lot of girls in her Rodney Moore video.

She has gained some weight from when she started. It doesn't take much when you're just over five feet tall to look like a lot, and she's approaching 40. Compare her to Nina Hartley or Amber Lynn, who started at about the same time...

As for chummy with directors: hey, if it works, why not?

My original point was that No, girls still aren't shooting porn 20 years later other than Careena, except as blast-from-the-past novelties.

And it's not clear yet how Careena's comeback is going - is she still trying to get bookings? Both of her websites started to come back up but are dead now.
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#60377 - 10/07/04 01:12 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
jamesn Offline
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i've seen like 2 pictures of her, they seemed modern(color photography) and while she's not janine circa '95, she's not bad. you can tell she was attractive, makeup and sleep can fix that, something that can't be said for the bottom 1/4 of girls out there.....remember this girl was paid to take her clothes off......


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#60378 - 10/14/04 06:11 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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Quote:

darling, it is i who will be here 20 years from now on top of my game, successful and very very happy. you can sit there with your incredibly strong finger muscles attacking me all you want; but in all reality if you feel so strongly maybe you should put your strength and your emotions to better use.





Man its funny but I first came across that quote today, but jesus this girl is delusional. The drugs have rotted her brain. I see it all the time, and it makes me sad.

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#60379 - 10/14/04 07:08 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Jeff Steward Offline
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Quote:

darling, it is i who will be here 20 years from now on top of my game, successful and very very happy. you can sit there with your incredibly strong finger muscles attacking me all you want; but in all reality if you feel so strongly maybe you should put your strength and your emotions to better use.





Im sure at time Ariana wrote this it seemed like a good idea,but when your up for 4 or 5 days lots of things look good that really aren't.
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#60380 - 10/14/04 07:20 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
jamesn Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

darling, it is i who will be here 20 years from now on top of my game, successful and very very happy. you can sit there with your incredibly strong finger muscles attacking me all you want; but in all reality if you feel so strongly maybe you should put your strength and your emotions to better use.





Im sure at time Ariana wrote this it seemed like a good idea,but when your up for 4 or 5 days lots of things look good that really aren't.




like flying to a part of the world that's beating africa out for new hiv cases and i could buy a seat in parliment and a test result for $1900 if i bring a pair of air-maxes?then having strangers smelling of cabbage with terrible dentistry ejaculate inside of you 65 times? if this isn't the best drug-awareness ad ever, i don't know what is....
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#60381 - 10/14/04 08:25 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Kami Andrews Offline
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she was booked for yesterday, saw it on the call sheet.

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#60382 - 10/14/04 08:48 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Kami Andrews Offline
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Registered: 01/25/04
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got this email from some one who reads the board but doesnt post

"Just saw your post on the creampie thread.
You must know then that three days after her GB in Prague, she did an 8 guys scene here in LA for Skeeter.
She worked right after without waiting or getting a new AIM test."

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#60383 - 10/14/04 09:25 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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What is ADT?

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#60384 - 10/14/04 09:26 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Sergio T. Offline
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Registered: 07/20/03
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Loc: CSW Wrestling - Gracie Academy
Quote:

What is ADT?



The Evil Empire, ***** *** ****.
Sorry, Chico. Direct mention of That Place is strictly verboten these parts.


Edited by zenman (10/14/04 09:34 AM)
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#60385 - 10/14/04 12:21 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
kyoto Offline
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Registered: 05/06/04
Posts: 951
Loc: IL
Quote:

got this email from some one who reads the board but doesnt post

"Just saw your post on the creampie thread.
You must know then that three days after her GB in Prague, she did an 8 guys scene here in LA for Skeeter.
She worked right after without waiting or getting a new AIM test."





this story gets worse by the second. did ariana ever respond to any of these accusations?

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#60386 - 10/14/04 03:35 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Sergio T. Offline
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Registered: 07/20/03
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Loc: CSW Wrestling - Gracie Academy
Quote:

Quote:

What is ADT?



The Evil Empire, ***** *** ****.
Sorry, Chico. Direct mention of That Place is strictly verboten these parts.



Censored by the Man.
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#60387 - 10/14/04 05:32 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
2cums Offline
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65 + 8 = 73 !!!!!! 73 cocks run up in Ariana in less than 3 days

I'm sure the talent in the USA is happy with her not going into quarintine
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#60388 - 10/14/04 05:44 PM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
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AIDS can have 'em. They deserve one another.

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#60389 - 10/14/07 12:08 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Jigaloo Offline
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Posts: 7863
Bump because someone's reading this. Three years since the last reply and Ariana's not dead yet.
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#60390 - 10/14/07 02:41 AM Re: Ariana Jollee: 65 Man Creampie?
Dean Wormer Offline
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Jewel D'Nyle says she got Ariana to do a g/g scene in one of her upcoming releases. Apparently she's mostly retired from the smut biz.
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