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#60163 - 09/30/04 05:38 PM Who won the presidential debate?
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#60164 - 09/30/04 05:40 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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I listened to most of it, and Kerry came across better, I believe. Bush's plain spoken texas fumbling over words is old.

That said, I would vote for Bush over Kerry any day. I just think Kerry is more eloquent.
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#60165 - 09/30/04 05:47 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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My cloned brother said it all
Kerry performed better, but neither said anything new
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#60166 - 09/30/04 06:11 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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Kerry kicked ass, as usual.

Four more years of stuttering, stammering, stupidity... Not!

It's time to vote the hick out!
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#60167 - 09/30/04 06:31 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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I won by not watching it
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#60168 - 09/30/04 06:44 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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You are right Smut, but I always tune in hoping that for once they will actually answer a question.
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#60169 - 09/30/04 07:00 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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Difficult to tell. These things are really just paid for TV commercials. They are so heavily scripted. I would like to see Bill O'Reilly host one. Someone who will throw some unexpected element into it. I don't like Bill Mahr.
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#60170 - 09/30/04 07:04 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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Umm, err, eh, a , bee,, (long pause) Kerry.

This is what I hate most about Bush. Leader of the Free World and can't complete an entire sentence. It says something about our education system.

Smut, you didn't miss a thing. It was the same bullshit from both sides
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#60171 - 10/01/04 04:21 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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I think it's nerves more than anything else. I do not believe Bush is stupid. I don't have much reason to bel;ieve I would do better in front of millions, or billions, of people with so much at stake. It does look horrible, though, lol.

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#60172 - 10/01/04 04:28 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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I think it's nerves more than anything else. I do not believe Bush is stupid. I don't have much reason to bel;ieve I would do better in front of millions, or billions, of people with so much at stake. It does look horrible, though, lol.






Yeah, but Bush has been in public service for decades and he still can't put together one grammatically correct sentence? "Nerves." The guy's *already* been president for 4 years. By this time he should have worked those things out.
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#60173 - 10/01/04 04:41 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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Depends on the person. I just don't think it's a matter of intelligence. Maybe I'm wrong. He is no fucking genius, I'll give you that.

I watched an interview with his dad once in which he referred to Alexander Hamilton as an ex-president. His dad may bolster you argument if you give genetics much sway, lol.
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#60174 - 10/01/04 04:48 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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I believe Jimmy carter may have been the most intelligent president that leads me to believe that intelligence doesn't necessarily tranfer to doing a good job in office
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#60175 - 10/01/04 05:54 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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I believe Jimmy carter may have been the most intelligent president that leads me to believe that intelligence doesn't necessarily tranfer to doing a good job in office




Very good point Cleet
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#60176 - 10/01/04 06:34 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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great president. other than that little ordering the cia to organize the people running death squads to train those nicaraguan contras. and greenlighting saudi ideology and backing the taliban in its infancy, re-arming pol pot, freeing william calley. and best of all for jimmy human rights, he gave the indonesians MORE arms when they'd run out so they could kill 10% of the population in east timor. carter was probably the worst president in history, cleetus is dead-on.
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#60177 - 10/01/04 07:25 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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Yeah, but Bush has been in public service for decades and he still can't put together one grammatically correct sentence? "Nerves." The guy's *already* been president for 4 years. By this time he should have worked those things out.



Have you ever seen the old newsreels of Dwight Eisenhower talking about new-que-lar weapons, or however he pronounced it? And he had been thoroughly briefed on it as far back as the start of the Manhattan project and never did learn to pronounce it.

Carter probably had the best education of any president in the last century but he doesn't seem to have let that get in his way. The Three Mile Island episode is about the only time it did him any good, and that was because he had credibility for understanding the issue in a way that none of the plant people apparently could.

I would pick Theodore Roosevelt as the best president of the last century, maybe since the early 1800's. He was very much a man of his time and might not do well now, but judged in the context of his era he was impressive. And, he was well educated - better educated compared to the public than Carter by far (he actually wrote a long scientific paper in the middle of a presidential campaign!). His scientific background (as well as his Montana(?) ranch) are why we have the National Park System today.
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#60178 - 10/01/04 08:55 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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teddy honestly merits some consideration, but his legacy is partially responsible for the unruly empire we've got abroad. he was also really, really into rounding up and killing savages in the south pacific and american west. usually in a cowardly way, but he's hilarious to read.
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#60179 - 10/02/04 01:30 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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Teddy was also a reform president. He was able to break up the robber barons monopolies. That alone changed the course of American history.

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#60180 - 10/02/04 07:33 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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teddy is understood to have supported big bidness privately. the trustbusting he did is probably more important symbolically than practically. less of a busting than a necessary temporary correction to avoid the east inda company-redux. us-steel exists, most of the country chooses between sumner redstone and charles dolan for cable and some strain of bell/at&t for the priveledge of using their phone lines. throw in microsoft and the fact that the overall trend in the last 100 years has been large companies merging, from banks to media conglomorates. this isn't necessarily bad, panicked competition and short-lived companies are less preferable than having to publically scold larger, stable companies when they get too predatory.

i'll put him on my top ten easily, top 2 for conflict/wartime leaders. he could lead, but he was a shameless media whore and there's ample cowardice behind his legend. still, despite a few dumb things, he got stuff done in his tenure. probably more than what you'd expect from 3-4 different presidencies.
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#60181 - 10/02/04 09:54 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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teddy is understood to have supported big bidness privately. the trustbusting he did is probably more important symbolically than practically. less of a busting than a necessary temporary correction to avoid the east inda company-redux. us-steel exists, most of the country chooses between sumner redstone and charles dolan for cable and some strain of bell/at&t for the priveledge of using their phone lines. throw in microsoft and the fact that the overall trend in the last 100 years has been large companies merging, from banks to media conglomorates. this isn't necessarily bad, panicked competition and short-lived companies are less preferable than having to publically scold larger, stable companies when they get too predatory.



You can't blame TR from Microsoft! Prior TR the Sherman anti-trust act was used against unions; TR was the first to (successfully) use it against businesses and he did so 44 times.

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i'll put him on my top ten easily, top 2 for conflict/wartime leaders. he could lead, but he was a shameless media whore and there's ample cowardice behind his legend. still, despite a few dumb things, he got stuff done in his tenure. probably more than what you'd expect from 3-4 different presidencies.



Cowardice? TR?

I'm guessing you're complaining he brought along a paid public relations man to write newspaper stories for his glorification to Cuba. That was not so uncommon after the Civil War. And, while his role on San Juan Hill may have been over-hyped, he did lead the charge up Kettle Hill from the front, and lead two charges at San Juan hill (going back after the first because only five troops followed!).
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#60182 - 10/02/04 11:42 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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and? i said it was an important symbolic and precedent setting move. it was necessary, but it was a corrective measure. it's basically like stopping a dog from doing something with a newspaper because killing it or making it flee isn't desirable. just like really crippling large corporations.

i'd also call his lavishing of praise and congratulations towards a general he was aware massacred close to 1000 women and children in the phillipines, wanna say 06-7 was more than being a product of his times.
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#60183 - 10/03/04 04:12 AM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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But could he suck his own dick????

I rest my case. Ron Jeremy for pres . . . . !!!!!!!!

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#60184 - 10/03/04 04:21 AM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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But could he suck his own dick????

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#60185 - 10/03/04 04:20 PM Re: Who won the presidential debate?
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does that mean herschel savage would be involved? if so, i'm moving.

at least the hedgehog didn't get bent over by JP Morgan like teddy did while posturing as the bear/top to the media.
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