No, I meant more like not being neurotic about caloric intake and manifesting the self hate through overwork in the gym.

But either way, is there an age in mind?

For me it is 60. If I make it to 60, I'm going FULL alkie. Might take up a habit forming drug also.
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Thinking of cracked-out and/or tweaking whores getting their throats and asses brutalized for the next hit makes me hard. --Rear Admiral