More so with the Stones.

@fbf I've spent the last 15 years in the trenches of the "helping" industrial complex. My ex was in it for 20ish years. My girl has been in it for 4 years. I sort of know my way around the System. I'm not for the people who need help to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps". I'm all for helping the people who need help. And I think defining those in need is pretty easy. The girl and I were smoking a bowl in the backyard last night kind of going over the day. She copped to giving money to the legless guy without with the "Need money for cancer drugs" sign outside the Walmart. True or not, I don't know. But yes, I think it's a crime in this country that a guy with no legs doesn't get his cancer drugs for free. The System needs to weed out the people who are riding it who don't need it. That, and make it more easily accessible to the people who do need it.

I guess it just confuses me that you're so concerned about everyone being taken care of, while at the same it makes you happy when folks from Oklahoma die. Personally, I think you're less about helping people and more about punishing people who make more money than you, as a totally inconsequential person, thinks they should. You'd be more than happy for poor people to live in even greater poverty as long as anyone you'd consider rich (I imagine the definition of "rich" would be anyone that makes a loonie more than you) is a little less rich.

I'm pretty sure you know better than the bullshit you spout. If you actually do, I'm sure whatever government largess you get is well deserved.

Not sure what the pot smoking Republican jab is. I've never made a secret that I'm a doper...or a pretty hardcore conservative.

As for poverty, it exists for no other reason than it exists. You can throw out high minded stats, demographics, your own biases. The fact is, always has been and always will be, that poverty exists. Nothing is fair, nothing is equal. Some people do better than other people, some people don't do as well as other people. Some people end up in the middle. A lot of times through nothing more than an accident of birth. There is no society on Earth, ever, that has had total equality. Wealth and poverty are relative. Raise the minimum wage to $1000 an hour. There will be people that make more. Pull a law out of your ass promising everyone a salary of $10000 a month. There will be people doing side projects to supplement that salary. Make a law that no one can do side projects. The slope gets real slippery, yes? Is that the world you want? Stifled ambition, stifled creativity? Is that what the hordes of wage slaves you think will take to the streets want?

Capitalism isn't perfect. Nothing is. But it gives you the freedom to try for a bigger piece of the pie. That freedom is really pretty basic to the human condition. It's no promise. But there are no promises anywhere. Given the choice, I think most folks would prefer to have the freedom to try and fail than to not have the freedom to try at all.

Maybe that's naive thinking, but no more naive than thinking that some sort of proletariat street march is going to give anyone more financial freedom.

Poverty does only exist because of the unequal distribution of capitalism. Back before capitalism, when everyone was poor and life expectancies were scarcely greater than 40, life was so much better because no crab was able to climb out of the pot.

Never said the worst in the world thing, because I don't like that kind of bumper stickerism. But to play the game, name me the system that works better. And not Lichtenstein or somewhere that has friendly neighbors who will be happy to spend blood and treasure to defend them.

You've revisited the "everyone can start a small business" thing. No one is saying that. Well, no one but you. No one is saying the American Dream is a promise. No one but you. The problem is that you see cookie cutter solutions to everything and damn how many people have to suffer to make it happen.

Life isn't fair. Only children believe that it is. And only fools believe fairness can be won at the point of a gun. I know you think when the New Moon on Monday video comes to life, that you'll be one of the head honchos and finally mean something. But "workers" revolts tend to eat their own. Considering that you're pretty much nothing, I figure you're safe.

I sort of doubt that the standard of living improved much from pre- BC until maybe 1100ish. Like I've said many times, your solutions will not work because creativity can't be stifled, no matter how much you want that. It doesn't help your arguement that standards of living have jumped leaps and bounds in the West since the 1800s.

Using your logic we can say Planned Parenthood is a great defender of children's rights.

.....There has never been more suffering and bloodshed in any point in history than under the reign of the United States.

You miss the point entirely yet again, accusing of bumperstickerism and cookie cutterism while delving into your own rhetoric...it's not about "life being fair for everyone" but about people complaining about how fucked up the system is currently. ...again you cite your bullshit blind faith in capitalism as something that's going to promote creativity, you sound like fucking ayn rand. .....There has never been more suffering and bloodshed in any point in history than under the reign of the United States.

Native Americans, Hatchet Packers as they're known, still exist, so they're really not artifacts.

Slavery is alive and well too. Africa, the Islamic World. You know. Progressive cultures.

Poverty does only exist because of the unequal distribution of capitalism. Back before capitalism, when everyone was poor and life expectancies were scarcely greater than 40, life was so much better because no crab was able to climb out of the pot.

What's the better system?

You're not going to get an answer from him. I suggest you go Blackules on him. Create an alt named FAT BLOODY n FINGERbanged and get the answers you want.

Final stage communism, egalitarianism. Any labor system where people are not separated from their labor

Final stage communism, egalitarianism. Any labor system where people are not separated from their labor