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There is precedent on the GOP side. Nixon sent Kissinger to China.

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No theories on how Obama orchestrated the whole thing by having Gore send these women to NK knowing they would be captured and that the state visit would then look like a rescue mission to the American Sheeple.

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There is precedent on the GOP side. Nixon sent Kissinger to China.

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Oh, good! I see you finally worked up the courage to try again.

Precedent?

1) China was the most populous nation on Earth. North Korea is a tiny poor gangster regime. The US gov't has interacted with the Norks and been burned by their lies many times before in recent years (including when Clinton himself sent Sec of State Albright there). This was not an opening of "detante". It was negotiating with and rewarding hostage takers.

2) Kissinger is not an ex-Pres. He was not Sec of State when he first went to China or even the spouse of a Sec of State. He was National Security Advisor. Also, when he first went to China, it was in secret. There weren't humiliating pics and headlines for America all over the world.

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No theories on how Obama orchestrated the whole thing by having Gore send these women to NK knowing they would be captured and that the state visit would then look like a rescue mission to the American Sheeple.

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Pay attention, stupid. Odumba is a bumbling amateur who only reacts to foreign policy developments. The only thing he "orcestrates" is the wording of his apologies.

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I only squash cock roaches after I’ve actually noticed them son.

Was the Kissinger trip still an official state visit? Yes.

Was China currently involved in hostile actions against the United States, even more so than NK is now? Yes.

Would today’s media make it impossible for Obama to pull off another Kissinger Goes To China, secretly? Yes.

I take it none of those so called “degrees” you’re always banging on about were in history or political science.

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Holt shit - are you ignorant. FYI: the administration is claiming the Clinton visit to North Korea was private (officially unofficial). Critics and anyone with a brain are saying it was in effect an official visit because that's how the Norks will be able to portray it in their propaganda (because he is a spouse of the current Sec of State).

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China was a huge and important nation. The Norks are tiny and rogue. It's kind of like the difference between hostlie actions by the 70s USSR vs. hostile actions by 70s Libya. The ways one responds to one of these two very different stimuli has no baring on the other.

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Ex-pres Clinton picking up two hostages in North Korea is like Kissinger secretly opening detante with China! LOL! This is one of the dumbest things I can remember anyone saying on XPT. I may have to put it in my sig line.

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Hostages are taken these chicks walked into NK knowing that could be the outcome, and were arrested legally on the other side of the Chinese border.

He did more than pick up ‘hostages’, Einstein, you know they talked and not about ‘hostages’. They talked about nukes and opening further discussions on nukes.

So you’re saying Bill Clinton's opening dialog with NK has no similarities with Kissinger's opening dialog with China. How does your tiny brain produce enough electricity to keep your fingers typing, let alone keep you conscious and alert?

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Bwwwwwaaaahahaha! This is pathetic. Your flailing your arms like crazy and not hitting any target. And you're called a "terminator" on the clans thingee (lol). This is another perfect example of how I own you at will.

Most responsible nations would have simply deported Al Gore's 2 worthless cunts. The isolated duchy demonstrated its rogueness and gangsterism by sentencing them to a ridiculous 12 years hard labor. The twats were, in effect, hostages being used as pawns. The only thing Clinton negotiated was a hummer from the babes on the return plane ride. The Norks wanted a photo op for Kim Jong Il and said either Clinton or Carter would do. The negotiating for hostages and direct nuke talks were all done in advance by the administration. No dialogue was opened. It was more of the same back channel talks accompanied by public jousting in press releases.

Go lick your wounds. Come back for another total annihilation in three months.

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You think if you crossed the border into China illegally they would just deport you? Then you're a class A fool son. You would be lucky if you weren't shot. Not every border is like the US - Mexico border. But I guess you'd have to actually be educated to know the difference, so I don't blame you there.

They negotiated and you can not prove any different. Nice try but as always your inner loser rears his slow witted head to prove to us all what a desperate and dim little man you truly are.

On a side note, no, Carter would not have done it for NK. Once again you show your ignorance of foreign policy by not knowing how much the NK's think of Bill Clinton. It was at the end of his administration when the last official-official state visit from Madeline Albright and the NK's have a soft spot in their hearts for that time. Thanks for the ignorance update though. Keep trying and one day you may get something right, hopefully suicide.

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Heeeeeeeellllo? They didn't go into China illegally, you fucking dolt. We're talking about North Korea here (lol). There are very few, if any, governments that will shoot Americans for being in their country. You might have to run into Al Queda or the Taliban, but they might not even shoot you. And I "can't prove any different"? Right, I can only read the media reports. I guess I also can't prove that you're not a hermaphrodite if you want to use that kind of 3rd grade logic.

I'm right on everything, you're wrong and you know it (as always). Again, you're desperate to save face because in your geek mind you think you have an XPT rep to protect (lol). You probably have tears in your eyes as you post your replies. Sad sad sad.

Maybe you'll have better luck if you try to get me "shunned" again. Start sending those pms.

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Heeeeeeeellllo? They didn't go into China illegally, you fucking dolt.

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We're talking about North Korea here (lol). There are very few, if any, governments that will shoot Americans for being in their country. You might have to run into Al Queda or the Taliban, but they might not even shoot you.

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And I "can't prove any different"? Right, I can only read the media reports. I guess I also can't prove that you're not a hermaphrodite if you want to use that kind of 3rd grade logic.

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I'm right on everything, you're wrong and you know it (as always). Again, you're desperate to save face because in your geek mind you think you have an XPT rep to protect (lol). You probably have tears in your eyes as you post your replies. Sad sad sad.

Maybe you'll have better luck if you try to get me "shunned" again. Start sending those pms.

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What fool would waste the talent of a statesman like Clinton, I mean besides you, fool? Here is one of the most experienced world leaders still alive and you don’t think BO would utilize his ability to charm dear leader into some concessions? Right.

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If only Richard Nixon could go to China, then only Bill Clinton could go to North Korea. Maybe I should pass that on, it could go viral.

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Sooooooooo, why is it that "only Clinton could go to North Korea"? Was it because he spent his entire presidency getting hustled by their phony promises? Because he made a fool of himself by sending his sec of state (Albright) there, giving them aid and boasting about their horse shit agreements? He really built up some anti-nork credentials there, dimwit! It's just like Nixon going to China - bwwwaaaaahahaha!

Maybe you should quit now. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.

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I’ve tried to inform your ignorant ass about the special feelings NK holds for Clinton and his administration and that this was the reason that made him the best choice, by the BO administration, for the job. The facts must have escaped your prion riddled brain. Heh, not new. Are you saying you doubt the high regard the NK’s hold for Clinton? Do you doubt that he has a full two presidential terms experience dealing with despots and other human turds like yourself? I mean come on, not even you can be this foolish.





I'm sure he thanks God for George W Bush everyday.

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I’ve tried to inform your ignorant ass about the special feelings NK holds for Clinton and his administration and that this was the reason that made him the best choice, by the BO administration, for the job. The facts must have escaped your prion riddled brain. Heh, not new. Are you saying you doubt the high regard the NK’s hold for Clinton? Do you doubt that he has a full two presidential terms experience dealing with despots and other human turds like yourself? I mean come on, not even you can be this foolish.

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You've got to be kidding. STILL trying to save face. Sure the Norks have "special feelings" for the mark who was easist to hustle. Like you said, it's just like Nixon going to China! Bwwwwaaaaaahahaha

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Bitch slapping! Yeah, that's the ticket!

You're like a special olympics athlete. Posters don't want to laugh in front of you, so they do it by pm.

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Bitch slapping! Yeah, that's the ticket!

You're like a special olympics athlete. Posters don't want to laugh in front of you, so they do it by pm.

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The posters here make fun of Special Olympic athletes by PM? Most people just make fun of you right to your face, but I guess that goes along with being a bitch. No, it wouldn't surprise me to know there were a lot of people afraid of me, but just because you and Ryan trade PM insults and pictures of flaccid cocks doesn't constitute the use of the word posters.

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Is that analogous to the "kitchen debate", when Nixon traded barbs with Khruschev? I think the the North Koreans also had "special feelings" for Khruschev.

Who's Ryan? I'm talking about the people who pity you because they know how desperate you are to save face. They know that Star Trek conventions and your "rep" (lol) on this board mean everything to you. They're probably the same people you sent pms to when you wanted to get me "shunned".

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Coke, if you haven't noticed you are pretty much on the shunned list here and it's nothing have2cit had to do to make it happen.

If it's any consolation you are in the company of Smarrt, Phlogiston and oddly, Gen Padova. (i.e. that don't make you a bad person).

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No, wait, I got it: for Tatty! I am going to Uruguay! Heil!

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Obama's ratings will only crater further after the tax increases (or expirations) kick in. Anybody who voted for this guy deserves what they get.

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Unfortunately those who didn't vote for this jive turkey will also suffer because of it.

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Uruguay=Nazi war criminals=TP's avatar=puppy Hitler what's so confusing ?

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