Guys like McGriff get shafted by all them dudes juice #s. Fred never accused or suspected, and he put up 30hr/year for a decade, when 30 was a slugger, not something a 2nd baseman was doing every year.

Biggio going in would be good for Houston, cause Bagwell never gonna sniff the Hall.

Does Piazza make it? Or do the rumors spread by Yankee's fans taint his image still? He's happily married to a Penthouse pet and has a kid, yet rumors by Yankee's fans forced him to actually give a press conference to say he wasn't gay. To me, the steroid thing might be the same situation.

P.S. - Jeter is gay.

Jeter could be gay, hiring mediocre actresses to pretend to be his gf and floating rumors in the papers about his gift bag for whores.

As long as he aint fuckin little kids, then I don't care what he does if we can squeeze another ring out of him.

ESPN has been doing a top 100 of all time list this week.

Far more entertaining is Old Hoss Radbourn's comments on their selections on Twitter.


#6: T. Cobb. Demented racist whose style of base ball I adore. Nicknamed "Georgia Peach" because peaches are apparently grown in sphincters.


#7: R. Clemens. If you hate him, take pleasure in knowing every single day of his life removes him from the only thing he loves: relevance.

#11: H. Gehrig. True story: pummeled W. Pipp half to death with a shovel then stoically submitted his application for the open job at 1B

#15: R. Hornsby. "Never smoked or drank." I think that sums it up.

#16: M. Schmidt. He was great. Big deal. Try that cutesy stance with me, sir, and you would die.


#22: F. Robinson. Ordered a lad off his lawn then beat him with a tire iron anyway. Golfed his way to Washington as the Expos burned.

#24: G. Seaver. Greatest Met of all time, which is like naming syphilis the king of venereal diseases. 231 CG in 20 years. Took me 5 months.

#31: C. Ripken. Shockingly rude of him not to catch Cal Ripken's Disease and pass away before breaking L. Gehrig's streak.

#32: B. Gibson. A man of epic stature, endurance, and mean-ness who failed to fire one right through T. McCarver's face.

#38: Hahahahahahahahahahahahhaha oh my lord no, there's no East Coast bias here, oh no. (Choice was Derek Jeter)

#40: C. Yastrzemski. Polish potato farmer who went to Notre Dame. Overcame these handicaps to have a very fine career.

#43: B. Robinson. As a rule I never found that having the reputation of "able to catch anything" paid off in the places I frequented.

#54: W. Boggs. Enjoyed fornication, beer, chicken, loose women, smashing doubles, invisibility, and his mustache. The consummate team-mate.


#60: O. Smith. All-glove, no-bat shortstop who could have been from my era except for the black thing. Forced out by T. LaRussa, that ass.

#68: J. Bagwell. It is nigh time to acknowledge the unspoken truth: while batting he looked like a defecating monkey.

#69: F. Thomas. Nicknamed "The Big Hurt" because your ears bleed when listening to him attempt to speak. Parlayed this skill into a TV job.

#76: C. Fisk. Ego larger than you. If he had never lived there would be no "Good Will Hunting." This would have been a fine thing.

#81: "Duke" Snider. His inclusion is a tribute to the loyal fans of Brooklyn, who mercifully are all dying and can finally shut up.

#82: "Kid" Nichols. Trash. Never won more than 31 games. Earned his moniker from a Shanghai madam after she espied his manhood

#83: M. McGwire. Would be ranked higher but angered all the scribes when the fellatio they gave him in 1998 gave them oral cancer in 2005.

#85: M. Ramirez. Fun test: ask a scribe if "enigmatic" is secret code for "IQ of 7." I would have loved to have this guy on my team.

#90: C. Biggio. In my day, a man hit by 285 pitches dies 285 times.

#89: J. Palmer. Less popular with his team-mates than polio. Gave up 303 home runs, one for each of the fatherless children he abandoned.

#93: T. Glavine. Milquetoast lefty with a strike zone larger than E. Gregg. Not a bride or bridesmaid but rather the groom's ugly sister.

#95: S. Sosa. Would not have been allowed to play in my day, a rare case of this rule benefiting everyone.

And here are some unrelated tweets but ones that I like.

Royals' owner D. Glass to trade Jack Stack Barbeque and Arthur Bryant's for the rights to the McRib.

Adding a no-trade clause to a M. Young contract is like putting a Do Not Eat sign above a pile of feces.

Odd to see a modern victory by Redskins that does not involve a casino.

My favorite part of "Black Friday" was shopping for land in Dead Injun Territory.

Where's the Hammer? Aaron.

Shutout!

Yeah, I don't blame the writers. Biggio will get in, but there are still many writers that won't vote for a guy on the first ballot unless he is an upper echelon guy. Biggio is certainly deserving, and will get in eventually, but he isn't a Seaver/Bench/Reggie type legend.

Next year you get Maddux and Glavine, and maybe Torre as a manager, so the Steroid Bunch will continue to take a back seat.

Caller on WFAN in NY is trying to say the gay rumors hurt Piazza along w/ steroid rumors. Hahahahahahaha.

Is Cobb in yet?

This was the first sports thread I found, so I'm putting this link here. If you listen to Francesa, you will love this Twitter Troll account.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Francesa









Found another one, this guy has some good photoshops. https://twitter.com/MikeFrancesaNY

Deadspin hammers Francesca, much to my enjoyment.

If he could turn it down 15-20% it would be ok, because he IS knowledgeable, but the thought that he is infallible gets tiresome. He needs a partner to mix it up, preferably not Mad Dog. That guy is an annoying elitist and I've been happy not hearing black guys call in to argue that he is a racist, which he is. Andre Rison, Andre Dawson, he calls them Ann-dre. Andre Agassi is On-dre as it should be. That is just one example.

I'll have to root Deadspin.

Other than Palmeiro, Biggio is the first player with over 3,000 hits not to get elected in his first year of eligibility since Paul Waner in 1951. Frank Thomas is also on the ballot next year.

RIP Earl Weaver. Now Pinella is the angriest living manager.

Stan Musial died.

Aw shit. God Bless Stan the Man.

Who is the Greatest Hitter Alive now? Willie Mays gets Greatest Living Ball Player since DiMaggio's death, so I wouldn't use him for hitter. Ted Williams was the hitter before Stan.

I don't know if I can go with Gwynn (.338), cause he had no pop, but the only other real candidate is Pujols, and his career aint over, average can go down. Aaron did bat .305 for his career, but has few seasons where his BA pops out at you.

George Brett? If you eliminate Tony Gwynn then you are also eliminating Rod Carew and Wade Boggs. Brett did have some pop. You have to consider his home ball park is basically Death Valley for home run hitters and was even more so in the 1970s and 1980s.

It pains me to call someone the Greatest Living Hitter who only batted .305 on their career though (Brett, Aaron).

I may have to go with Gwynn. His first year in the majors he only played in 54 games and hit .289. Over the next 19 years he never hit below .309, won 8 batting titles, had 7 seasons hitting over .350 (including 4 in a row at ages 34-37), and he only struck out 430 times in 20 years. Lifetime avg is .338.

If I were starting a team I'd take Aaron in his prime every time. He had great defensive skills as well.

Looking over his stats last night, Hammerin Hank was amazingly consistent and durable.

I'm just going to treat this as the baseball thread. He might not be a superstar, but he's still the face of the New York Mets. I saw David Wright just announced his engagement to this hot bitch. She even has a cool name: Molly Beers.

Jesus Christ, look at how thin that fuck pig is on the side view.

Wright is a solid player that had a ton of responsibility dumped on him right as he was brought to the majors. I'm glad the Mets recognized that and paid the man. He may not be a superstar, but if he stays healthy, I could see him hitting enough numbers to get in the HOF (3000hits, 1500RBI, etc). I'd be surprised if he gets near 30hr again with that stadium though.

Hey Steezo, Piazza doesn't do many interviews, but he did one w/ Francesa earlier this week promoting his book. Here is a link to the page it is on. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio-on-demand/mike-francesa-1/#

Who is going to left to vote for in the future? Seems like every major leaguer is guilt.

Hate to set myself up to be wrong, but Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Randy Johnson, Biggio, Ichiro. I'm on the fence about Chipper Jones being a HOFer, but I don't think there were any rumors or reasons connecting him to PEDs. Vlad Guerrerro?

Now with guys getting dimed out in the Yankees & Mets locker rooms peddling PEDs, it does cast a pall over Jeter and Piazza, but I don't think there is any reason to think Mariano did them, and he is a lock first ballot guy.

With A-Rod coming out of Seattle, and Jay Buhner there hitting 40 HRs, along with him completely falling apart in Cincy, I have to lump Griffey Jr in with the steroid guys. If it is unfair, so be it, but if he wasn't juicing, then him and all the other guys that were playing clean should have made a bigger stink about the scum that was.

Personally, Pettitte is the guy that used em that hurts the most. He gets a partial pass from me, because he admitted it, but it still taints the memory of a great big game pitcher.

It's just sports medicine and ethics.

Baseball's record book is revered like the bible. NFL, NBA, NHL have all gone through changes in the game that have turned their record books upside down. The MLB record book was fairly consistent from the 1920's to the steroid era. Only major change in the game was the lowering of the mound when pitching became too dominant in the late 60's. 60HRs was touched 2x in 70years, then surpassed 6x in three years, all by guys that juiced.

I can write off pitchers doctoring the baseball and corked bats as gamesmanship, because they aren't used everyday, in all situations. The effects of Juice and HGH are an everyday thing that hurts the integrity of the game.

Come on.

In another sport, Armstrong doped; I didn't follow the shit, but that seems to be what happened or at least what people seem to think.

He won a lot because he probably lived his sport and had some of the best medical advice at his disposal.
These doctors most likely got hired by teams who have sponsors and those like winners very much.

It isn't that far-fetched an idea to me that professional athletes just have to perform in the eyes of these people allowing them to compete on the level they strive for. It wouldn't be absurd to think that long-term health ethically's considered secondarily when opposed to short-term performance financially.

All of this is transferable.

While the idea of competitive sports is a noble one, there seems to be an advantage to know how what is changed in the athlete's body to whatever else and how which test would be able to prove this or not.

Then there's greed.

Armstrong would get IV's of low doses of PEDs right after doing his piss tests, and claimed they were part of his cancer treatment. That is kinds like how they do shit in Horse Racing. The horse gets a shot of X amount, Y days before the race, so the after race test doesn't show a high enough level of Steroids or pain killers to turn up hot.

The top guys are all paid well, for them it is more for ego than greed.

Of course it is. The guys paying them could find other egos to pay.

At the top of what is humanly possible, engineering sets in, but should have severe health penalties. After some point, they're all cyborgs.

I'd be surprised if Chipper Jones isn't a first ballot inductee.

That's what they thought about Biggio and he has 3000 hits.

What about Frank Thomas? He's eligible next year. Another future possibility could be Trevor Hoffman.

I like Frank Thomas, but I think he's going to get lumped into the user category. Though if you look at his #'s it was his batting average that tailed off during his career, not so much his HRs. I'd vote for him and I'd vote for Piazza, because there is nothing firm on either of them.

If Hoffman makes it, it will take him a couple years. To show how impressive Mariano is, his career ERA is 0.66 lower than Hoffman's, and Hoffman pitched in the NL West, not AL East.

Here's an article on Chippers chances.

I tell ya what, considering he played 3rd for most of his career, then ya he is a HOFer. I still don't think he is first ballot though. That's not trying to knock him, it is just to say he isn't Schmidt or Seaver or Bench or Carlton.

Woman that "The Natural" is based on died.

http://todayentertainment.today.com/_new...rity-at-83?lite

Tim McCarver to quit after this season. Good riddance!

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tim-mccarver-step-down-fox-164551913--mlb.html

Only FOX. I heard his interview on Fransesser's show. He said he's gonna stopp doing FOX and postseason.

Is it time for award predictions?

Is that an alternate spelling of Francesa?

I prefer "Fatcesa" myself ...

Francesca Le. Franceska Jaimes. Confusion.

Fatcesa Le, Fatcesa Jaimes, Fatcesa Valentina, DeFatcesa Gallardo.

Commata Confoundment.

Yep. Sometimes I type like he speaks. There are 2 Twitter parody accts that do a good job. At it. One guy is good w/ the photoshops. I've seen tgat guyquoted on the Daily News' last page.

The best part is that those guys actually get under Fatcesa's skin.

Interesting Opening Day. Yanks got shit holed, Mets showed life. Harper became the youngest to homer 2x in the opener and Kershaw became the second guy to hit a homer and throw a shut out. Hopefully all signs of an interesting year.

Amen to that, bro.

That's back-to-back bad outings by CC.

First getting eliminated in the ALCS. Then opening day.

CC usually is a warm weather/second half pitcher.

Yankees got problems this year. 1/2 there starting line up is hurt right now. Jeter, Granderson, Tex, and A-Roid. Take that kind of production out of any line up and it turns to shit. I hope A-Roid is out for the season. Jeter is a couple weeks. Grandy is May/June. Tex, who knows.

They can't throw money around, because under 189million next year means when they go over the luxury tax level again they will pay 17% tax instead of 50%. That is a whole lot of money staying in Steinbrenner pockets instead of going into the pockets of the Marlins and Pirates owners.

All true. But, when healthy, he's been a GREAT big game pitcher. A stop the bleeding pitcher.

He did none of that in the ALCS and again today, with everyone on the DL, he didn't step it up. I find it troubling.

A-Rod isn't A-Rod. Tex might not be Tex. Grandy is playing for a contract ... with the 189 limit, he won't be back with the Yanks in 2014. And, no one knows what Jeter has left.

If they don't make the playoffs, unlikely but possible, then I can't see them sticking to the 189 plan. They can't punt two years. Especially with Mo gone and maybe Jeter, too.

My Mets are in full PUNT. It's ALL about 2014 or 2015 or whenever.

But, they are going to be TERRIBLE.

They lost their two best pitchers of the 1st half last year, the only half they were competitive in. Dickey was traded for catchers of the future. Santana is done.

They have no OF. They have Wright. A passable ML SS in Tejada. A possible gem C in D'Arnaud. Maybe they can get Ike back to 2010-11 form, but I doubt it.

It's ALL about their young pitchers. I remember the lost years of Generation K. You remember all the hype of Joba-Hughes-Kennedy. These things don't often come to pass. They did for the Mets in 69. They did again in 86. It's a lottery ticket to think that's the panacea. But, all we've got at the moment is that lottery ticket. And, all the numbers have to come up big.