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#556761 - 06/11/12 06:21 AM Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To
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Music. People seem to like the idea. Some seem more determined and like to listen to the stuff, maybe even a whole album or two. A week-long playlist will do just as well.

No shit yet. There will be lots of shit. Ugly, illogical, primal shit.

If some people have the money at hand to spend on stereo equipment, some of them will get good stuff, the stuff from specialised local shops, for example. They have shit and stuff to pay, they just want the best for their customers and their best in return.
Online platforms like Amazon will do fine and are probably cheaper than special needs care at the shop throughout the audio toy collection.

That is if what is wanted is available there or anywhere else online for interested toy players directly to order. Further down the line of increasingly more exclusive audio toy craziness, prices vary in the thousands in comparison to the similarly-priced competition without added functionality or anything other rationally fathomable, just no fucking way to tell what the difference is supposed to be. Examinations of the equipment under scientifically-thinking testing criteria is completely absent in the audio toy review press.

Bullshit right there. A lot of it. If whatever the advertorial musings of the audio press are based on is not science, then what is it based on instead?
Self-righteous tech-snobisms appropriated by obscure corporate identity admiration maybe, but I could be mistaken.

The people writing about audio gear like loudspeakers, amplifiers, CD-players, turntables and other stuff generally are there to peddle some esoteric nonsense, which in one case actually is called Esoteric Audio, a high-end brand of TEAC, if I remember correctly. Pretty clever branding.

There are differences in design, build quality and price in every bit of audio equipment imaginable. That is not really the core of the high-end lore. High-end audio gear is mostly over-produced, functional and shiny. So very shiny.



The amplifier above is way north of 20.000 bucks. There are speaker cables for around the same. Limited numbers produced in countries where there might not be children inhaling the good stuff all day, exclusivity and a solid portion of greed will end up at these and higher prices, not necessarily because it sounds oh so great. The amplifier above probably does its job very well, thus does not distort the audio signal. Other amplifiers at a fraction of its cost seem to do that as well. But what about the exterior? Cooling fins and holes. Okay. Maybe someone heroic will use it as a shield in an inter-galactic war.

Some other manufacturers - there actually is a lot done by hand - drill the casing out of a mono-block of aluminium. It does not have to sound better because of this though. All the exterior bling is fine, but it should be obvious that if there is so much care invested in something like a front plate, all the extra time will add up and be included in the price. Audio properties do not really matter that much in the high-end sector. Everything is good or excellent and there probably is no difference in sound once the build quality exceeds the threshold of audibility, tube fetish aside.
The most imposing designs seem to be much more relevant.



Robot-assisted open heart surgery equipment. It is a turntable and costs about 150.000 bucks. There are cheaper offers with good results as well.



Maybe not this model; it is about the same. There is some mild irony to be found at the bottom of the picture.

Audiophiles are obsessed with purity. At least on one side of the ideology. Only the best selected components most carefully put together will do. Then there is the tube cult with its seemingly very noticeable colouration - or distortion - of the audio signal. It seems to be intended and tubes are said to be out of production. That is a good start for exclusivity and all it can entail financially.



There are legitimate uses for high-end loudspeakers. Some say it is the only thing which really matters. Maybe. Maybe an amplifier with no extra distortion added would be a good idea if it goes into the professional field. Pictured above is a studio of Abbey Road. The speakers are the top of the line model of the premium range from the manufacturer. The other two rear speakers just like the ones in the picture are out of view. The electronics on the racks beside each speaker probably are pre- and power amplifier stages in mono, thus one of each for each of the five studio monitors. Professional pricing is not an issue here.

A good heap of the sound achieved in recording studios comes from the acoustic treatment of the room the studio is in. There is direct sound from the speakers preferred instead of reflected sound from the walls and the ceiling. It can all add up to thousands of bucks. A top audio engineer will have had good training and years or decades of professional experience in acoustically favourable conditions. Their understanding of sound truly should be exceptional.

If speakers of this quality - and every other one - end up in a small living room with glass surfaces everywhere and a lot of empty space, they will not sound nearly as good. So the audiophile buys all that stuff and does not really know what to do with it. Mostly, I guess. The lack of practical knowledge about his gear he can substitute with a lousy adjective collection some call a test.

There is no end to the freaky shit coming out of the esoteric audio circles. Apparitions which are set up in front of the speakers to treat the air for it to better transmit the sound waves. Really.



The illustration above is from a rogue audiophile magazine called The Audio Critic. They do the scientific testing routine and somewhat influenced the tone of this post.


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#556762 - 06/11/12 06:48 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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What do you use to listen to music?
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#556763 - 06/11/12 06:55 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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I use recently purchased headphones, a headphone amplifier, a digital-to-analogue converter and a CD transport. A transport does not have a converter. Streaming of PC audio via USB to the converter is possible.

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#556766 - 06/11/12 07:08 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Haw about telling us which brands of those you got and why? Performance? Budget?

What the hell is a CD transport?
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#556775 - 06/11/12 10:10 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Sennheiser HD 800 headphones. They sound good. 1.500.

Musical Fidelity M1 HPA headphone amplifier. It does not have any humming or other noise. 900.

Musical Fidelity M1 DAC digital-to-analogue converter. To regain most receiver functionality used to from an older home cinema receiver. PC audio streaming via USB is convenient. 800.

Musical Fidelity M1 CDT CD transport. It plays CDs. 1000.

It cost quite a sum totally. And it sounds good. I bought the components after I moved and could not listen to a home cinema system at levels which would make sense for films and music, probably went a bit over what was needed, especially regarding the CD transport. An older DVD player connected to the converter digitally would have been sufficient. It did not matter to me at the time.

A CD transport is half a CD player, more or less. Since there is the digital-to-analogue converter in a separate casing which is usually integrated into players, there is no need for an extra one.

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#556781 - 06/11/12 11:11 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Holy shit? $1500 for head phones?? Excuse the ignorance, but is there that huge of a difference between them and say a set of $500 or $1000 head phones? I mean is it like the difference between 1080 and 720 HD, or 1080 an a TV from the 50's w/ rabbit ears?
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#556783 - 06/11/12 11:44 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Probably there is not much of a difference between the good stuff and the better stuff. Prices are set loosely in the premium market. What you pay for in difference is a lot for what you will get in added fidelity, quality or whatever else.

Some context:

I started with a home theatre setup which was okay for music as well and was all pretty good quality-wise.
To use with different headphones - AKG K 240 MKII - the receiver was all right, but a constant humming and some noise was not going away, especially at high volumes.
The new headphones I wanted to feed a clean signal to and that was about it. Although the brand is the one with the inter-galactic war shield / amp in the first picture of the thread, their lower ranges seem to be priced competitively in comparison to other offerings elsewhere. Designed in England. Built in Taiwan. So the children are happy.

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#556784 - 06/11/12 11:47 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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My ears may be sophisticated enough to tell the difference between $50 headphones and $500, but it is doubtful I'd pick any differences up beyond that. Years of abuse have taken a toll on my ears.
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#556794 - 06/11/12 02:26 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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The home stereo market is so overrun with hucksters and scam artists, it's hard to know what is really science. Cables are the biggest market for scam items.

Get your hearing tested by an audiologist. Chart your results and know what you can and can't hear.

Buy audiophile recordings when available. So much of today's music is "lo-fi" by design and intent. Do not use internet downloads to judge fidelity. Even vinyl and CD releases are often mastered for the MP3 or radio market and lack dynamic range.

Do not use filters and EQs to "correct" from song to song. Use these tools only to tune your speaker system to the room they're in. Before you reach for the EQ as a solution, look into room treatments and speaker placement first.

Get some "critical listening" instruction and learn the basics.
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#556799 - 06/11/12 02:53 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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That seems about right. General interest or more?

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#556804 - 06/11/12 03:35 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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More, please. I'm curious to know more about that headphone amp you have, and why a buyer should look at something like that instead of just going with a stock Yamaha/Denon/Sony amp for all your needs.

I hear what you're saying about the hearing, as well, Jerk and Faceblaster. My hearing is totally shot (birth defect, I require hearing aids) and some high-end fidelity would be lost on me.

That said, I can hear the difference between, say, iPod stock earbuds and a low end set of Sennheisers (which I have used the few times I've worked in the television industry).
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#556805 - 06/11/12 03:49 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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I meant faceblaster, if he has general interest in audio or if it is more to him.
The headphone amplifier was a way to get rid of hum and noise. If anyone has audio gear or wants to buy some which is cheaper and is satisfied, I do not see any reason to spend more.

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#556808 - 06/11/12 04:55 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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what are some reasonably priced sound deadening headphones for mp3 players?im talking like in the 100 dollar range.
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#556831 - 06/11/12 06:30 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Whether over or in the ear, I would start looking at models from the two companies I fared well with regarding headphones, AKG and Sennheiser on Amazon, which sometimes has useful information in customer reviews and comments on these.
Then on the company site for some advertorial info.
Maybe on head-fi.org, a forum specialising in headphones and the gear around them.
I thought that Koss earbuds were okay once, but do not know the model; they were around 50 bucks. The loosely-fitting other in-ear ones are more comfortable for me though.

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#556847 - 06/11/12 07:15 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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I have a hard time wearing anything in the ear and do not see how they'd noise cancel effectively anyway. I would rather wear something like a bluetooth earpiece that hangs off my earlobe (won't noise cancel either) or a completely ear covering headphone. My hearing is wrecked as Jerkules described. Construction, working in a bar while young, inheriting tube amps as a youth and testing their limits, and flying small planes have all added to that.

Depending on the jack size, there are some incredible noise-cancelling headphones available to pilots but I do not know how suitable they are to music. Probably not very.

I have never been able to appreciate that next level betwen a $500.00 tuner/amp and a 1,000.00 model or the speakers in those price ranges either. I can certainly hear the difference between 200 and 500 dollar speakers.

I think a lot of the difference in this audiophile equipment comes down to the visual appeal it possesses. The more attractive it is due to use of nice materials and visual design the higher price it commands.

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#556853 - 06/11/12 07:41 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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I had this convo with pd months ago and it comes down to how goofy you want to look in public. Then shop sennheiser. No beats by dre frank..
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#556858 - 06/11/12 07:50 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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no i wasnt thinking of those lou.from what ive read theyre exactly what i thought them to be,all hype.
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#556861 - 06/11/12 07:53 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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You back-stabbing car whore gave away the ending.
Not every portable amplifier like one in a media player is supposed to be able to achieve good results with every type of headphones, as some of them seem to need more juice than others. I did not try this, read about it on head-fi.org.

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#556903 - 06/12/12 11:02 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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The headphone issue you refer to involves input sensitivity and impedance. Some cans sound louder on the same media player due to this.

My fav headphones for daily use are the ATM50's from Audio-Technica. They run about $150 a pair and sound very good. I learned about them from the guys who do all the award shows. They all use the ATM50's and not because they get them free. I have done the side by side with dozens of headphones and the only ones to shame mine were the Ultrasone's which run twice that.

Fav in ear consumer line by far is the Atrio from Future Sonics. Much smoother and more comfortable than the Ultimate Ears or Sennie models. They have become my ipod buds and for airplanes I use some Audio-Technica noise cancelling buds called ANC23's. They are less comfy, but the noice cancelling mode is worth it.

All "beats" products sound like crap to me, although I have not heard their super expensive ones. The ones they sell at BestBuy are crap.
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#556904 - 06/12/12 11:10 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Are there any ear buds built with durability in mind. They don't need to sound amazing as I use them for walking around and need to hear traffic and so on. My issue is that I tend to beat the shit out of headphones and am tired of buying new ones.
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#556905 - 06/12/12 11:13 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Yeah, the sennheiser ones are rugged as hell. IE-8, etc.
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#556906 - 06/12/12 11:34 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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Thanks.
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#556926 - 06/12/12 04:01 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: cqd]
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Originally Posted By: cqd
Are there any ear buds built with durability in mind. They don't need to sound amazing as I use them for walking around and need to hear traffic and so on. My issue is that I tend to beat the shit out of headphones and am tired of buying new ones.
skull candy.you can get the normal no frills ones that come with different size bud covers for 15 to 20.had mine since 08 and work great.
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#557122 - 06/16/12 09:11 AM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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I listen to tunes over a 2001 hyundai accent factory radio and speakers because I'm fucking unstoppable like that.

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#557970 - 06/29/12 06:03 PM Re: Of Lore And Wonder People Listen To [Re: drained]
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The Audio Critic back issues. Wire fraud, speaker fraud, other fraud.

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