I know. They all do that, don't they. We love our private school, by the way. Wouldn't even begin to consider a public school.

By your logic, I could post something from Klebold and Harris' Basement Tapes and indict the entire public school system.

It's a straw man and you know it it.

Well-made assuming the operator is an idiot being used as canon fodder. The AR-15, M16, and M4 are still the weapon of choice if intelligent, professional soldiers capable of independent action are being deployed. Although I'll defer to Bornyo on this one if he pipes in and says otherwise...

Unsinn. No more reliable automatic weapon than an AK-47 has ever been created by man. It has nothing to do with intelligence or professionalism, but with availability.

hahah, yeah nothing like a good old american m-16 apologist. when grizzled guys who where in the military for 40 plus years tell me the Ak47 is the greatest rifle ever made I'm more apt to listen to them then jerk off's on message boards. (present company excluded)

Everything you've posted is equally strawan so who gives a shit 0 and 0 is still zero. Nothing is going to change the way either of us perceive things.

They really are. I've owned a Chinese one and a Yugoslavian one. No cleaning needed. I've seen them in mud or sand, shaken out and had 90 rounds run through with no jamming. The only time I ever jammed any of mine was when I used some East German plastic tipped training rounds. I assume they had low powder in them.

The professional problem with them is they're noisy. The loose tolerances, which make them jam proof, are just too clunky if surprise is important. They're great in a battlefield situation, but we're not really fighting battlefield style right now.

I accept your surrender.

M-16s are fun to play with. Comfortable, low recoil. Wouldn't trust my life with one.

What's everyone like for home defense? Ruger P89 in the nightstand. Remington 870 under the couch.

Charles Daly pump 20 gauge in the bedroom. Taurus Judge loaded with .410 pistol cartridges staggered with .45 Colt on the desk. I also have a CZ Raimi 40 stashed as well as a Ruger LCP .380 handy.

Why? B's never been to war.

The public school system isn't much better as it's primarily designed to keep people dumb enough to be obedient workers.

Yeah "you'll accept my surrender" it's more like Deciding not to continue to add to a shit pile that's already a mountain high, at some juncture there's just no point. There mere fact that people think the way you do mean there's no hope for this country.

It's all about perspective, no? I could easily say the same about you. But the difference is not very folks actually believe the "obedient workers" nonsense. And that the "system" isn't competent enough to have a plan to keep people stupid, let alone have a Master Plan.

I do find it interesting that the star you want to hitch your destiny wagon to is the very same star you think is keeping people stupid and down. I'm sure you can make sense of it, tho.

Barry the pirate-



You are absolutely fucking wrong in every way imaginable. Everything you believe in is fundamentally wrong on every level. You are competeley useless, worthless and your genetic line should be obliterated off the face of the planet. That being said let's agree to disagree.

I'm witcha, homie. Fuck you and your avatar. Winks.

Honestly, tho, it's just a difference in the fundamental way of thinking of the role of government, business and money. We can post stats, evidence, whatever, but nobody's changing anybody's mind.

The profit motive causes horrific corruption in the penal system...but I'm sure if we just completely privatized law enforcement it would be awesome


http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/05/louisiana_is_the_worlds_prison.html
Louisiana is the world's prison capital. The state imprisons more of its people, per head, than any of its U.S. counterparts. First among Americans means first in the world. Louisiana's incarceration rate is nearly triple Iran's, seven times China's and 10 times Germany's.

The hidden engine behind the state's well-oiled prison machine is cold, hard cash. A majority of Louisiana inmates are housed in for-profit facilities, which must be supplied with a constant influx of human beings or a $182 million industry will go bankrupt.
Several homegrown private prison companies command a slice of the market. But in a uniquely Louisiana twist, most prison entrepreneurs are rural sheriffs, who hold tremendous sway in remote parishes like Madison, Avoyelles, East Carroll and Concordia. A good portion of Louisiana law enforcement is financed with dollars legally skimmed off the top of prison operations.
If the inmate count dips, sheriffs bleed money. Their constituents lose jobs. The prison lobby ensures this does not happen by thwarting nearly every reform that could result in fewer people behind bars.

Meanwhile, inmates subsist in bare-bones conditions with few programs to give them a better shot at becoming productive citizens. Each inmate is worth $24.39 a day in state money, and sheriffs trade them like horses, unloading a few extras on a colleague who has openings. A prison system that leased its convicts as plantation labor in the 1800s has come full circle and is again a nexus for profit.
In the past two decades, Louisiana's prison population has doubled, costing taxpayers billions while New Orleans continues to lead the nation in homicides.
One in 86 adult Louisianians is doing time, nearly double the national average. Among black men from New Orleans, one in 14 is behind bars; one in seven is either in prison, on parole or on probation. Crime rates in Louisiana are relatively high, but that does not begin to explain the state's No. 1 ranking, year after year, in the percentage of residents it locks up.
In Louisiana, a two-time car burglar can get 24 years without parole. A trio of drug convictions can be enough to land you at the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola for the rest of your life.
Almost every state lets judges decide when to mete out the severest punishment and when a sympathetic defendant should have a chance at freedom down the road. In Louisiana, murderers automatically receive life without parole on the guilty votes of as few as 10 of 12 jurors.
The lobbying muscle of the sheriffs, buttressed by a tough-on-crime electorate, keeps these harsh sentencing schemes firmly in place.
"Something has to be done -- it just has to be done -- about the long sentences," said Angola Warden Burl Cain. "Some people you can let out of here that won't hurt you and can be productive citizens, and we know the ones who can't."
Every dollar spent on prisons is a dollar not spent on schools, hospitals and highways. Other states are strategically reducing their prison populations -- using tactics known in policy circles as "smart on crime." Compared with the national average, Louisiana has a much lower percentage of people incarcerated for violent offenses and a much higher percentage behind bars for drug offenses -- perhaps a signal that some nonviolent criminals could be dealt with differently.

Do all of Louisiana's 40,000 inmates need to be incarcerated for the interests of punishment and public safety to be served? Gov. Bobby Jindal, a conservative Republican with presidential ambitions, says the answer is no. Despite locking up more people for longer periods than any other state, Louisiana has one of the highest rates of both violent and property crimes. Yet the state shows no signs of weaning itself off its prison dependence.
"You have people who are so invested in maintaining the present system -- not just the sheriffs, but judges, prosecutors, other people who have links to it," said Burk Foster, a former professor at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette and an expert on Louisiana prisons. "They don't want to see the prison system get smaller or the number of people in custody reduced, even though the crime rate is down, because the good old boys are all linked together in the punishment network, which is good for them financially and politically."
Keeping the beds full
In the early 1990s, when the incarceration rate was half what it is now, Louisiana was at a crossroads. Under a federal court order to reduce overcrowding, the state had two choices: Lock up fewer people or build more prisons.
It achieved the latter, not with new state prisons -- there was no money for that -- but by encouraging sheriffs to foot the construction bills in return for future profits. The financial incentives were so sweet, and the corrections jobs so sought after, that new prisons sprouted up all over rural Louisiana.
The national prison population was expanding at a rapid clip. Louisiana's grew even faster. There was no need to rein in the growth by keeping sentencing laws in line with those of other states or by putting minor offenders in alternative programs. The new sheriffs' beds were ready and waiting. Overcrowding became a thing of the past, even as the inmate population multiplied rapidly.
"If the sheriffs hadn't built those extra spaces, we'd either have to go to the Legislature and say, 'Give us more money,' or we'd have to reduce the sentences, make it easier to get parole and commutation -- and get rid of people who shouldn't be here," said Richard Crane, former general counsel for the Louisiana Department of Corrections.

Today, wardens make daily rounds of calls to other sheriffs' prisons in search of convicts to fill their beds. Urban areas such as New Orleans and Baton Rouge have an excess of sentenced criminals, while prisons in remote parishes must import inmates to survive.
The more empty beds, the more an operation sinks into the red. With maximum occupancy and a thrifty touch with expenses, a sheriff can divert the profits to his law enforcement arm, outfitting his deputies with new squad cars, guns and laptops. Inmates spend months or years in 80-man dormitories with nothing to do and few educational opportunities before being released into society with $10 and a bus ticket.
Fred Schoonover, deputy warden of the 522-bed Tensas Parish Detention Center in northeast Louisiana, says he does not view inmates as a "commodity." But he acknowledges that the prison's business model is built on head counts. Like other wardens in this part of the state, he wheels and deals to maintain his tally of human beings. His boss, Tensas Parish Sheriff Rickey Jones, relies on him to keep the numbers up.
"We struggle. I stay on the phone a lot, calling all over the state, trying to hustle a few," Schoonover said.
Some sheriffs, and even a few small towns, lease their prison rights to private companies. LaSalle Corrections, based in Ruston, plays a role in housing one of seven Louisiana prisoners. LCS Corrections Services, another homegrown company, runs three Louisiana prisons and is a major donor to political campaigns, including those of urban sheriffs who supply rural prisons with inmates.
Incarceration on the cheap
Ask anyone who has done time in Louisiana whether he or she would rather be in a state-run prison or a local sheriff-run prison. The answer is invariably state prison.

Inmates in local prisons are typically serving sentences of 10 years or less on nonviolent charges such as drug possession, burglary or writing bad checks. State prisons are reserved for the worst of the worst.
Yet it is the murderers, rapists and other long-termers who learn trades like welding, auto mechanics, air-conditioning repair and plumbing. Angola's Bible college offers the only chance for Louisiana inmates to earn an undergraduate degree.
Such opportunities are not available to the 53 percent serving their time in local prisons. In a cruel irony, those who could benefit most are unable to better themselves, while men who will die in prison proudly show off fistfuls of educational certificates.
Louisiana specializes in incarceration on the cheap, allocating by far the least money per inmate of any state. The $24.39 per diem is several times lower than what Angola and other state-run prisons spend -- even before the sheriff takes his share. All local wardens can offer is GED classes and perhaps an inmate-led support group such as Alcoholics Anonymous. Their facilities are cramped and airless compared with the spacious grounds of state prisons, where inmates walk along outdoor breezeways and stay busy with jobs or classes.
With a criminal record, finding work is tough. In five years, about half of the state's ex-convicts end up behind bars again.
Gregory Barber has seen the contrast between state and local prisons firsthand. He began a four-year sentence for burglary at the state-run Phelps Correctional Center -- a stroke of luck for someone with a relatively short sentence on a nonviolent charge who might easily have ended up in a sheriff's custody.

With only six months to go, the New Orleans native was transferred to Richwood Correctional Center, a LaSalle-run prison near Monroe. He had hoped to end his time in a work-release program to up his chances of getting a good job. But the 11th-hour transfer rendered him ineligible. At Phelps, he took a welding class. Now, he whiles away the hours lying in his bunk for lack of anything better to do. The only relief from the monotony is an occasional substance-abuse rehab meeting.
"In DOC camps, you'd go to the yard every day, go to work," said Barber, 50, of state-run prisons. "Here, you just lay down, or go to meetings. It makes time pass a little slower."

Downward spiral

While Louisiana tops the prison rankings, it consistently vies with Mississippi -- the state with the second-highest incarceration rate -- for the worst schools, the most poverty, the highest infant mortality. One in three Louisiana prisoners reads below a fifth-grade level. The vast majority did not complete high school. The easy fix of selling drugs or stealing is all too tempting when the alternative is a low-wage, dead-end job.
More money spent on locking up an ever-growing number of prisoners means less money for the very institutions that could help young people stay out of trouble, giving rise to a vicious cycle. Louisiana spends about $663 million a year to feed, house, secure and provide medical care to 40,000 inmates. Nearly a third of that money -- $182 million -- goes to for-profit prisons, whether run by sheriffs or private companies.
"Clearly, the more that Louisiana invests in large-scale incarceration, the less money is available for everything from preschools to community policing that could help to reduce the prison population," said Marc Mauer, executive director of The Sentencing Project, a national criminal justice reform group. "You almost institutionalize the high rate of incarceration, and it's even harder to get out of that situation."
Louisiana's prison epidemic disproportionately affects neighborhoods already devastated by crime and poverty. In some parts of New Orleans, a stint behind bars is a rite of passage for young men.
About 5,000 black men from New Orleans are doing state prison time, compared with 400 white men from the city. Because police concentrate resources on high-crime areas, minor lawbreakers there are more likely to be stopped and frisked or caught up in a drug sweep than, say, an Uptown college student with a sideline marijuana business.
With so many people lost to either prison or violence, fraying neighborhoods enter a downward spiral. As the incarceration rate climbs, more children grow up with fathers, brothers, grandfathers and uncles in prison, putting them at increased risk of repeating the cycle themselves.
'Don't feel no pity'
Angola is home to scores of old men who cannot get out of bed, let alone commit a crime. Someone who made a terrible mistake in his youth and has transformed himself after decades in prison has little to no chance at freedom.

Louisiana has a higher percentage of inmates serving life without parole than any other state. Its justice system is unstintingly tough on petty offenders as well as violent criminals. In more than four years in office, Jindal has only pardoned one inmate.
"Louisiana don't feel no pity. I feel like everybody deserves a second chance," said Preston Russell, a Lower 9th Ward native who received life without parole for a string of burglaries and a crack charge. "I feel like dudes get all this education ... under their belt and been here 20, 30 years. You don't think that's enough time to let a man back out and give him another chance at life?"
An inmate at Angola costs the state an average of $23,000 a year. A young lifer will rack up more than $1 million in taxpayer-funded expenses if he reaches the Louisiana male life expectancy of 72.
Russell, 49, is in good health. But as he gets older, treating his age-related ailments will be expensive. The state spends about $24 million a year caring for between 300 and 400 infirm inmates.
Now in his 13th year at Angola, Russell breaks into tears recounting how he rebelled against the grandmother who raised him, leaving home as soon as he could. First he smoked weed, weed became crack, then he was selling drugs and burglarizing stores in between jobs in construction or shipping.
The last time he stole, Orleans Parish prosecutors tagged him as a multiple offender and sought the maximum -- the same sentence given to murderers. In the final crime that put him away for life, he broke into Fat Harry's and stole $4,000 from the Uptown bar's video poker machines.
Political will
Tough fiscal times have spurred many states to reduce their prison populations. In lock-'em-up Texas, new legislation is steering low-level criminals into drug treatment and other alternatives to prison.
In Louisiana, even baby steps are met with resistance. Jindal, who rose to the governor's office with the backing of the sheriffs' lobby, says too many people are behind bars. Yet earlier this year, he watered down a reform package hammered out by the Sentencing Commission he himself had convened. The commission includes sheriffs and district attorneys, so its proposals were modest to begin with.
Measures like those in Texas, which target a subset of nonviolent offenders, are frequently lauded but may not be enough. To make a significant dent in the prisoner numbers, sentences for violent crimes must be reduced and more money must be invested in inner-city communities, according to David Cole, a professor at Georgetown Law School. Such large-scale change -- which has not been attempted in any state, let alone Louisiana -- can only happen through political will.
In Louisiana, that will appears to be practically nonexistent. Locking up as many people as possible for as long as possible has enriched a few while making everyone else poorer. Public safety comes second to profits.
"You cannot build your way out of it. Very simply, you cannot build your way out of crime," said Secretary of Corrections Jimmy LeBlanc, who supports reducing the incarceration rate and putting more resources into inmate rehabilitation. "It just doesn't work that way. You can't afford it. Nobody can afford that."

....because we all know prisons run by the government are absolute paradises where everybody gets rehabilitated and healthcare and other treatment is top-shelf.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/07/prison-guards-union-locks-up-b

EDIT. I wonder how many guys stuck there right now are there because of the drug war that both political parties refuse to end.

I take Richard Pryor's view on the prison system.





Thank God we got penitentiaries!

Prison is prison. Feel free to point the direction a prison utopia. Those countries we have black prisons in? Yeah, some human rights going on there.

Yeah, it's a bitch that prisons aren't comfortable, but they're really pretty easy to stay out of.

I don't think you get it. Do you realize how easy it would be for your dumb ass to wind up in one? Didn't you just post some pictures of some weed you just bought?

My point was(and no i'm not "full on" lt): those prisons everyone cites are full of non violent drug offenders. you can scream CATO INSTITUTE and whatever bullshit you want at the top of your lungs, but the libertarian party has been consistent on its stance on the drug war. And you can try to paint RP as a horrible horrible pro-business anti-choice racist, but feel free to link to another mainstream candidate on either side of the fake fence that has had the balls to discuss it like an adult.

Advantage JasonH. It's remarkably easy !

Varg's jail cell was bigger and has more amenities than your average housing project apartment. You can call Norway permissive liberal pussies but their country isn't overrun with mass murders like the US of "get tough on crime,crack some fucking skulls!!! A is. They're actually a civilized country instead of a right wing fucking toilet

What's your fucking point? you think lib-fucktards are the first people ever to realize the "war on drugs" is a complete fucking farce? even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

And you really think a pure for profit prison system isn't even fucking worse? we'd probably end up with a prison system as fucked as japans with drug laws even more draconian. Get fucking real.

I do get it. In my real life, I'm very discreet. My dumb ass isn't going to end up there over weed, especially with my doctor's recommend in the state I live in. Short of murder, or something fairly heinous, someone like me, with not even a speeding ticket in 25+ years, isn't going to go to prison. A night in the drunk tank at the King County lockup was all the education I need.

Prison remains prison. It isn't supposed to be comfortable. Sorry.

Correct, you are. I'd totally forgotten about him. Hell, he recorded, what, 3 albums there? Altho I'm sure it was nicer than most housing projects because not keeping their areas clean meant time in the Hole...without a Posturepedic. Isn't this the same country where military service is compulsory and most homes have a machine gun in the closet? Probably made it easier for him to have a trunk full of H&Ks when he took his little walkabout. Could be wrong and I'm too lazy to google.

Overrun with mass murderers? Please. Let's try to not be so hysterical. Varg only murdered one guy, but had the serial arson thing down pretty well.

Why stick around if it's such a toilet? We all know why, of course.

Once again the point soars over your head. If you're a poor or homeless expected to be treated like a subhuman piece of dogshit. Locked up for years for spitting on the sidewalk by armed thugs who's cocks get hard when they put on their metermaid outfits. Laws are only for little people. But the revolving door Willey horton brainwashing horseshit has sunk in. Once again the distractions and true media distortions do their job and fundamentally distort human thought. Death wish isn't fucking real. You think I'm naive? I grew up in an inner city shithole surrounded by gangsta thugs. You wanna get tough on crime Let's have a public lynching for those cops that beat that schizophrenic homeless man to death while Bobby Jindal is burned at the stake.

you're reading comprehension is (not) surprisingly low, I was referencing the united states as over run with mass murders. .....why are you bending over backwards to defending this libertarian horseshit so hard?.......do you really give that big of a fuck?............the only reason you live in a state with medical marijuana legality is because some left wing pussies whined and complained so loud that something actually got changed. Just fucking die already, you'd serve a greater purpose with your carcass donated to medical research. If only you had died early enough to have your stem cells harvested but you'll probably start talking about the sanctity of the fetus next.

I wouldn't know how prisons would wind up. The fact the state runs it doesn't magically make it better. Australians are trying now actually.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national...x-1226059946691

What drug laws and privatizing a prison have to do with one another is beyond me. Nice try though.

No one has said prison should be comfortable. But it should not be a place where low level offenders are turned into hardened criminals. It shouldn't be a place where someone who's there for a trumped up, nonviolent drug charge contracts HIV because they're raped repeatedly.

For profit law enforcement is as corrupt as it gets. You know why? Because when your profits go up as criminals increase, guess what happens? They do their best to make everyone a criminal. You've got police departments that are investors in "private" prisons that make profit from having warm bodies in their cells. The prisons give financial backing to elected officials who are "tough on crime." And of course the police round up as many people as possible for trivial stuff. It's throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. And in those back woods Louisiana shit holes, they make a lot of shit stick.

Barry you cite the tired libertarian rhetoric. "It won't happen to me." In the end, that's all you fuckers say to support the nonsensical bullshit you come up with. Fact is, you don't know what will happen to you, anymore than Panzer will know which tranny creampie gave him the HIV. You don't know what the fuck tomorrow brings. You don't know if the feds will decide to come knocking because you forgot to dot an i, or cross a t while using the US Postal Service to procure illegal drugs from outside your state.

How many middle class mother fuckers have gone from earning a decent living, to scraping by in poverty, all due to circumstances that are out of their control? How many assholes who applied for food stamps today, were spouting your same bullshit a year ago?

The libertarian position on non-violent drug offenders and the War on drugs specifically is crystal clear, Jason. I don't follow why all the evils mentioned are automatically linked to the lib philosophy. All the shit happening right now is happening in prisons run by the state and paid for with your tax dollars.
I don't know if prison contracts farmed out to private companies is the answer; but there is no denying non-violent offenders are suffering all the things you mentioned in the prison system today. Maybe we're having two separate arguments.

Maybe we are having different arguments, but 1 thing is certain. Barry is a state sanctioned junkie, and everything he says is junkie bullshit.

You fucking goofs are still going on about this shit? Get a blowjob, make some eats, read a book for fucks sake.

Spitting on the sidewalk? Not crossing "t"s? The US overrun by mass murderers? Using the mail to buy weed? Hanging Bobby Jindall? I should just die? Do you people even listen to yourselves?

And what happened to agreeing to disagree? Or does that only happen when the folks who disagree with you have their thoughts...cleansed?

Look, I get that murderers should get aromatherapy while a tax cheat should be under the prison. I get it. Sadly, most of the rest of civilized folks think another way. Best get started on the nooses, CliChe. You'll need a bunch.

^^^Dude you can't help them. They're gone. Wasted. Beyond the salvation of common sense. Save your breath and ammunition we are going to need both before the end of this.

It's because you are NOT a civilized human being. You are a retched filthy dog. You remind me of the idiot neonazi 500 pound exterminator from american history x. You reap the benefits of people smarter and braver than you and me then turn around and shit all over it and not even realize you're doing it while shitting on it some more. You're exactly the kind of pudding brain the Hitlers and Stalins of the world mold to their will.

hahahahha, Black is white, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. You do realize the south sucks from the federal tax dollar tit so much that it would become a third world country in a matter of months if you where allowed to become the brave free self made nation that you have delusions of?

The tax money sent down South is a sugar tit to prevent just such a thing from happening.

Concise and funny, something we need more of on here.

bwahaha, is that what you really believe? I'm not from the east coast but I'm sure the majority of them consider your states their toilets and would love it if you would disappear off the face of the earth. If you where cut off enjoy turning into Somalia overnight. (I don't actually hate the south, a lot of my favorite things are from there. I just despise all the complete ignorance and distortion of reality that people like you shit out from it's collective asshole. you're not "the real americans" as much as you want to believe you are)

Says you, and your opinion on music, the South, or me and my fellow Southerners is worthless.

Why are you mentioning Slumdog Jindal? He's a dirty fucking wog. You're still not getting it.

You engage in an activity that sends scores of people to jail, and eventually prison on a daily basis. You don't think your actions make you a criminal any more then the rest of the stoners who don't think that they're criminals. Most people don't think what you do is criminal, but the vast majority of laws, courts, politicians, cops, judges, etc, think you are. They see your permission slip from the doctor as a quaint exploitation of a loophole or two in the law. It will only exist as long as those people get a chuckle or two out of it. And when the long arm of the law comes to deal with you, it will be comprised of both liberals and conservatives.

No one here is saying that murderers should get aromatherapy treatments. All I'm saying is that people like yourself who get railroaded for drugs shouldn't come out of prison as even worse criminals. And yet it happens every day. The state run prisons are bad enough, and the private ones are even worse due to the corruption that is inherent when law enforcement operates for profit.

People like you, who always piss and moan about taxes, and what your taxes are spent on, should be outraged at a system that increases your tax burden. But it's like you're locked in this inner conflict of wanting to strut around like tough guys, while at the same time you cry. Figure out your priorities and maybe then some you people won't be so angry all of the time.

Yes, telling me to die and fixing nooses for those you disagree with are all about not being angry.

I am outraged about people going to the pen for small drug crimes, but that's a law issue as opposed to an incarceration issue. The fact is, this isn't 1971 where you end up in the pen over having a number in your car. And I very much get that what I do is against Federal law, which is another discussion. The other shoe to drop is that I don't deal, I don't traffic, I don't light up at McDonalds, I don't drive high (or impaired at all), I don't try to carry to or from Canada. In other words, I'm discreet. If you're a doof and think you're within your rights to fire up in front of a cop or at a primary school, well, natural consequences are that you'll come into contact with John Law. Whether that's what SHOULD happen or not is up for debate, because I believe responsibilities come with smoking weed, drinking, driving a car, whatever.

I'm not sure where the tough guy thing comes from, because I certainly don't think I am. FBF is the one wanting to kill folk, not me. I am a crier, tho. You got me there.

But we've gotten way off the point of prison conditions, no? Incarcerating people is grim business. Privately run prisons suck. Government prisons suck. Three albums notwithstanding, Varg must've thought the prison he was in sucked because he tried to escape at least once. Are there abuses in privately run prisons. There sure are. Well documented ones. Same with state run. Pelican Bay, the Federal Supermax ones, Angola, Alcatraz, the cook County lockup. Neither is better or worse than the other. And frankly I don't have a dog in the state vs. private jail business. But here is the truest thing you're going to hear today. No matter who runs a prison, no matter how it's run, none of us will be happy with it. Denying freedom to individuals is, again, grim business. With minute day to day problems unique to it that none of us can even begin to imagine. I don't know what fix, if there even is one, would remedy those problems. Obviously you folks don't either, because all you've done is point out problems and not offer solutions. Sadly, we end up at my original point: prison is prison. There is no easy way to take away an individual's liberty. Prove me wrong. Instead of bitching, offer some fixes. Personally, I think that would be a much more interesting discussion than listing the folks who should face the noose.

A lot of folks need to go to make you happy, huh? Maybe you should look into your soulmates over at stormfront.

Somalia overnight? Nope. No hysteria to be seen here, folks. This is well thought out, reasonable debate.

Please, please tell us who else has to "disappear" to create your utopia.

I'm pretty sure I said something earlier about if we want to get tuff on crime then Jindal should be burned at a public stake. Or maybe I said he should have his head cut off and shoved on a stick in front of the governors mansion to show as an example to other goose stepping neo-con's, I'm sure it was something like that.


As far as tax dollars go, to quote Michael Moore who I do realize is just an opportunistic entertainer, it is a legitimate concern because in other countries like France where they are supposedly taxed to the hilt they actually see results for their tax dollars, unlike this country where you can't even get a pothole fixed.

Of course you don't care. Remember earlier when you said you could give a shit less if fags have the right to get married? You don't care about anything but you're self. You're a typical selfish conservative. If it doesn't directly concern you or you're own little world it doesn't exist.

Europeans have all around lousy rates of compliance when it comes to paying their taxes. I wouldn't use France as an example. Americans - even the wealthy - are surprisingly good about coughing up their share. Most of the wealthy who don't cough up do so because of a quirk of the American tax system. Most countries tax based on residence, but the US taxes based on citizenship. If you're wealthy and not paying taxes in the US, you probably either paid them in some other country, and were able to pay "$0" on your US tax return as a result or you are like Heinz-Kerry, and a good deal of your wealth is tied up in state and municipal bonds.

"To quote Michael Moore". You seriously can't make up that kind of stupidity.

Do you think the federal gov pays for fixing your local potholes? You're nothing more than a bomb thrower. You don't believe the prattle you're going on about. Nice trolling, but quoting Michael Moore pushes it past the limit of credibility. Sometimes less is more, g.

Well, well. Where did you get this notion?