^^ What he said. Honestly that is my biggest problem with tipping. The biggest among many. My own thinking, different experiences as a kid being out with my folks, an old Donahue show, death threats from a pizza guy on a KISS newsgroup of all places. That certain occupations are expected to be tipped, but others working as hard or harder for the same or less money can go pound sand.

And you're right. We won't find common ground. And the subject digs a little too deep into folks here that I...well, respect might not be the word cuz I doubt that exists much here...but people whose feelings I don't want to hurt. So I'll agree to disagree and lower my sword.

I'm sorry to anyone I offended. That really wasn't the intent.