When the NCAA gets around to talking with this woman, then PSU is going to get hosed. Especially if she talks to them about the "systemic date rape" Conq alluded to? Not that these things and this type of special treatment doesn't happen on every campus, but the microscope is on Penn State.

The date rape stuff was a frat thing (it outraged many as the police/university didn't seem very interested, I believe 1 or 2 frats lost their houses for a year or two) but it ought to be noted that psu has more frats than any other school. And they don't exactly check ID...

I brought it up mostly to say psu is a cesspool.

They are very good at coverups. How many of you heard about the school shooting there in the late 90's? (My friend shot some people).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetzel_Union_Building_shooting

Locals fucking hate that university.

You don't usually see a chick go on a rampage. You mention she was a friend, any clue what her motivation was?

She hated PSU. I used to talk to her a lot on a dial in BBS and she would rant a bit about it. We weren't super close. I was 14 when she did her shooting. We were online friends.

You would hate the place too. Every saturday it brings 100000 rampaging douchebags into your town for foorball.

Kids of the the people who moved there for jobs at the school resent the school like nothing else.

Huh. Chicks that go on sniping sprees are like as rare as a male bulimic.

Insane. Who on XPT will go on a shooting spree eventually?

Two details I love: she had her hair cut in a mohawk like Travis Bickle and that when she tried to stab the dude who stopped her from continuing the shooting she stabbed herself in her leg and then he ended up staying with her and tending her wound until the cops and ambulance arrived.

Did you notice she was married at the time?

No, sounds like they really messed up releasing her though. Good job shrinks.

With the others that have come out, and new charges added, they don't need McQueary's testimony for a conviction. All involved at Penn State that have been fired or put on leave, still deserve it, because they knew what was going on with Sandusky, and didn't care, as long as it wasn't on their watch. No one gets absolution, no matter how many times they claim the ginger changed his story.

I didn't read the article but I heard the leads all day. I'm betting he lied to this new witness so he wouldn't appear such a pussy for not stopping the butt-rape, then told the whole truth before the Grand Jury. Ginger was a kid himself then and probably knew he should have done more.

I'm the last one to go to violence, but I still can't wrap my head around how you don't stop a fucking adult from raping a little kid. What kind of pussy wimp are we talking about?

They say fight or flight is 50/50 among the population.

I guess so. Maybe I'd just like to believe I'd do...something...ya know? Or at the very least run to tattle stat.

Plus he's a Ginger, plus a 22ish Grad Assistant and he walks in on the mastermind of "Linebacker U" butt-raping a child in the locker room he was banished to, to do grunt work. A lot of conflicting emotions there.

I'd like to think I'd be in the 50% fight crowd but then again I'm not a Ginger. I'd bet money whatever he told the new witness was said to make himself look better in his own eyes because he is kicking himself for not stopping it posthaste. McCreary has probably been kicking himself over this for years.

Beyond fight or flight, some people can handle pressure situations and some can't. I think the guy is a puss and should have to turn in his balls.

Only other explanation for the changing stories and telling others before he reported it, is if he was plotting to use it as leverage for a paid job. He was put in charge of recruiting, which is said to be a big time position at major football schools. You probably talking expense accounts, setting up payoffs through boosters, and testing out the whores they get for the players on recruiting visits. Getting the leavins at least.

Nah, he is still a Ginger...

Yes he pussed out. Yes the next day he told JoePa who did exactly one step above nothing.

After that, nothing happened. He just lied to his friend so he wouldn't appear to be the spineless prick Ginger he is. I mean really- a Quarterback for JoePa when it mattered with freckles? Give me a break.

Eh, he followed a drunken Kerry Collins, with douche bag side burns, at QB. JoePa wasn't too picky.

Found this while looking for Krauthammer column: Interview with JoePa 4:00 PM Eastern

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/sal...WQwP_story.html

Yeah, I think they are going to put out some video clips and then on Monday the writer is going to do a live chat to answer any questions.

Didn't read that closely. But, yeah, why waste Grade A material on a Saturday afternoon?

As a State College local this scandal is the best thing ever to happen to the school.

It's amazing when something that you already hated pretty much starts walking around with swastika arm bands.

I am not into kiddie touching but the whole fallout in this is so incredibly cool to me.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/.../1#.T2uQBvX4I8o

Feds being involved got the apple cart upset. I heard on the radio that the local police are being investigated as part of the cover up, but couldn't find anything on Google about it. This article, from earlier in the month, lists what the latest subpoenas are looking for, most notably payments by university board members to third parties.

If the cover up goes deep enough, it could involve the Governor of PA, who ran of one of the previous investigations.

I hope it does.

Well, in an update:

- Sandusky is convicted and will die in prison

- Penn State's Board commissioned an investigation that showed JoePa had full knowledge of the events and engaged in a cover up w/ the Athletic Director, School President, and Head of Security.

- People are now coming forward claiming Sandusky was molesting them as far back as the 70's. One guy claims that he was introduced to Sandusky by Ed Savitz, Philadelphia's soiled underwear buying, HIV spreading pedo piece of shit. Story goes that Savitz "groomed" the kid, then introduced him to Sandusky and was going to deliver him to the Second Mile Foundation. The kid got in an argument w/ Savitz, resulting in Savitz refusing to bring him. Who knows if it is true. A lot of resources will be spent trying to vet everyone that tried to hop on the gravy train. (note for Stern fans: When the Savitz story broke in the 90's a cabbie called in to the show claiming he was paid a couple times to shit on Ed. The cabbie said the dude had an old person's potty seat in his living room, w/o a bucket in it, and would lay w/ his face under it while the deuce was dropped.)

- Legal "experts" are saying that Penn State would be lucky if all they wind up paying out is $300mill.

- Many are calling for/expecting that the NCAA will give Penn State the "death penalty", killing their athletic programs for a number of years, due to a "lack of institutional control." 5 is the number of years I have heard the most. The talk is to make the penalty so severe that no one attempts this type of cover up again.

- The night when Paterno went out on his lawn, violating a Board induced gag order, to proclaim his innocence, it was completely disingenuous. He had already cut an exit deal w/ the board.

- They have already painted over the Halo above Joe Pa's head in a mural, and are debating removing his statue from the campus.

- Speculation is going on that Second Mile may have been trafficking children, basically being a Pedo Whorehouse. I wonder how many of their donors, and Penn State's, were plied with young boys to elicit fat checks?

There are also a bunch of delusional Penn St. fans who are calling for a no flight zone over their football stadium because a plane flew over it yesterday with a banner saying "if you don't take the statue down we will." These fans are actually calling this a terroristic threat.

Airplane flying over Beaver Stadium

That's a terroristic threat? Flying a banner about removing the JoePa statue? Ha ha ha!

There is an old joke about Pennsylvania: You have Pittsburgh in the west, Philadelphia in the east, and Alabama in the middle (not a compliment to the middle part of the state...cough cough!). Little surprise that State College is in the "Alabama" part of the state. Ha ha ha!

I don't think I buy the Ed Savitz allegation, or the idea that Sandusky was basically pimping kids out through his Second Mile charity though. The Ed Savitz thing seems to be a HUGE stretch with nothing to support it, AND State College is literally in the middle of a cow pasture....it's the kind of place where people know you farted 3 minutes before you did. I can't imagine that plenty of people didn't suspect "something" about Sandusky...but there is literally no way he could have been pimping young boys out up there without literally EVERYONE knowing about it...it's the law of hick towns.

did I read some nonsense about a halo being removed from a joe pa painting?.

I guess that question is aimed at nitne and there's a follow up.

why was there a halo in the first place?.

Growing up around the cult of psu football. I have no doubt people would still be worshiping him even and making blind apologies for him even if they found out he held down boys for Sandusky.

Rename his branch of the library, discontinue his ice cream flavor, remove all paterno related plaques from campus, tear down that statue. With explosives.

This is brilliant. I stole it from a buddy who would probably prefer not to have his name here.

Ok, so I waited until all the evidence came out to make an informed and educated opinion about the whole Penn State (not Jerry Sandusky) scandal. I absolutely have no affiliation to Penn State, nor does Joe Paterno mean anything more to me than a football coach, mean anything more to me than Dan Balysma or Greg Popovich.

When football becomes more important than innocent rape victims, people need to step back and check their priorities. After reading the report, it is clear that there was a systematic failure, created not least of all by the cult of personality that surrounds Joe Paterno and gives some sort of fundamental existential value to the education received at the university , to overlook the atrocities that occurred since the 90s.

We are talking about an administration, and sports program, who in 2007, when football players beat the shit out of kids in an off campus apartment, sought to punish the players involved just enough so that they could still play football. The lady who tried to properly punish the players got death threats from administrators, students, and alumni.

How dare she!!! It's like she didn't want the team to win a championship or something! We can't have that!

We are talking about a football coach who was approached by a grad student who witnessed a "life changing" experience in a locker room involving rape and told his boss...who did their best to cover it up. GAHHH this baffles me.

I read this comment on ESPN, though while perverse,raises a thought provoking question:

"If Joe Pa held down the kids while Sandusky did his thing, people would still make excuses for him."

At what point, at how many mistakes, does one tend to lose respect for Joe Paterno. Because even despite the evidence in the Freeh report, what are the things we do not know about the proceedings behind the scenes surrounding the Penn State scandal. Why did Tom Corbett receive over 200,000 dollars from the Second Mile foundation after 2001 and did nothing to pursue the charges (that were eventually dropped)? Why did the original investigator "disappear" during the investigation? Why, if Joe Paterno didn't "know how to" use email, did he Skype with recruits during the off season. Why, as evidence suggests, if Joe Paterno routinely went around the chain of command to affect change in campus incidents, nothing was done in this instance? Why did EVERYONE change their stories between the initial emails, later emails, the original subpoena'd testimony, the reports to the paper, and the Sandusky trial? I could be here for days, if anyone wants me to continue...

Speaking of the trial late last year, Paterno, when asked about why he didn't immediately report the abuse, said "I didn't want to interfere with anyone's weekend."

Yep, someone's weekend. You know what I'm doing this weekend? Sleeping in late, going golfing, hanging out with my girlfriend....AND NOT GETTING RAPED.

The only way I can ever...I mean ever...look back and not throw up on myself when thinking about what happened is if the damn statue comes down, Curley/Spanier/Schultz are sent to prison, the college's colors change, and the motto goes away. The accepted/encouraged/widespread/delusional culture forced and allowed people to put the ideology above of rational thought and the well being of our nation's children. Everything that happened to Joe Paterno since the first known abuse to victim 6, from the "good things" he did, the money he made, to the football games he won, came to him on the backs of raped children. He doesn't deserve my respect.

This is the first and last thing I'm going to publicly say about this or anything related to Penn State. This has weighed on my chest since last year. I'm sorry if this offended anyone, but that was not the intention. My feelings do not spill over to the education, service work, or students who have done nothing wrong; what I"m trying to say is that a sadness is deserved for Joe Paterno's fall in front of everyone's eyes. But for me, making apologies is downright reprehensible.

Yeah, they removed a halo over JoePa's head on a mural that once also included a now removed Jerry Sandusky.

Evidently the guy who painted the mural always paints a halo over one of subjects when they die....and that is when/why the halo was painted over him to begin with. But in light of the results of the Freeh report, he decided (and wisely so) to remove the halo on his own. He actually replaced the halo with a large blue ribbon on JoePa's lapel symbolizing support for child abuse victims.

Former University President Grahm Spanier is also included on the mural...and the guy who painted it is debating what to do about him. He said he doesn't think he will remove him...but he is considering painting a blindfold over his eyes.

As I was writing this, Steve Garban, the man who was the Chairman of the Board of Trustees at the time the shit really hit the fan (the Sandusky investigation really exploded...Paterno was fired, etc.) has resigned from the board. He had decided not to run for the Chairmanship back in January...but he was still a regular trustee until resigning tonight.

i dont think any sadness should be felt because that pedo fell down in public.at least sandusky will get to be a pretty prag in prison if he goes.which he should.

The manager of the Penn State Ice Cream Store had this to say about Peachy Paterno (which I love by the way....best ice cream they produce):

“Peachy Paterno ice cream is still being manufactured and sold in the Creamery salesroom,” Berkey Creamery Manager Thomas Palchak said. “We reiterate this ice cream was named in honor of Joe Paterno’s academic contributions to Penn State University and does not have any connection to the football program in particular or athletics in general.

“The flavor was developed in 1989 and awarded to Mr. Paterno in 1990. Revenue generated from the sale of Creamery ice cream is allocated toward graduate assistantships and undergraduate internships in the Food Science Department.”


As far as the library goes....that's a tricky issue in that Joe and his wife led a fundraising campaign that raised nearly 14 million dollars toward the construction costs...and he actually donated several million dollars of his own money as well. So, it's more a case where the naming rights were essentially fueled by money contributed, if not actually bought out right.


But yeah, I agree that there will be lots of people who will defend JoePa to the end...and I don't believe a video of Sandusky and Paterno gang raping a bunch of boys would change that....Hell there are people who defend O.J. Simpson and Michael Jackson to this day...and they actually did something directly.

I'm a Penn State alum...but a life long Pitt fan, so I hate to admit it, but I take a degree of perverse pleasure in seeing the PSU football program take it on the chin...and JoePa being knocked down off his pedestal....but then I regain sight of the real story...that of a serial predator who victimized countless children...and I come back to the reality of the whole horrific affair and the fact that no pleasure can be garnered from this.


I held it against JoePa for killing the Pitt-PSU rivalry because he could be a little man (he was pissed that Pitt refused to go along with his idea of an all east coast conference back in the early 80's & he never got over it)...but I always actually respected the guy & the fact that at least he got it when it came to why the kids were there in the 1st place...and education...and his kids by and large actually graduated. Boy, was the respect that I gave the "enemy" misplaced or what?


I know much of the cover-up was over image and all...and that royally backfired. But I believe it is often ignored that Sandusky had been at PSU for nearly 30 years himself AND he and Joe were actually friends (as well as some of the other players in the whole mess). I would hope people wouldn't let friendship get in the way in a case like this...but let's be real....the whole friendship angle had to have come into play as well.

The sad thing is that I don't believe anyone (besides Sandusky anyway) will ever know the truth. You will have some victims that will never come forward because of the stigma associated with being a victim of this type crime, or for some other reason...plus you will have some who simply had contact with Sandusky as a kid who now want to cash in by saying something more happened. What we do know is bad enough...but I don't believe it to be a stretch to say that the REAL picture would be 1000x worse.

That's just it...they'll keep him in a special protective unit in prison...where he will essentially be kept with like individuals.

Kim Jones is a Penn State alum that has worked as a reporter for the YES Network and covered the story for WFAN. She did well as a fill in host on WFAN, too. She now works for the NFL Network, and has been a reputable source through out the scandal.

Seems Penn State is going to give Joe Pa the Benoit treatment. After it was found out that Chris Benoit murdered his family, the WWE started cleansing their history of him. DVDs of events he wrestled during have his matches edited out, as well as mentions of him during other matches.

I think what gets lost here is that child molesting is still a very much in the shadows crime, wherever it's committed. I often think I'm the only person I know that didn't have a gropey relative. My best friend did, my ex did, my sister's husband. People not only don't call them on their acts, but they make sure the assholes are invited to every family function. What the fuck?

My ex's Uncle Hank is the one I actually knew. Fucker groped every every girl in the family when they'd get to be around 8ish. It was no secret, it was discussed openly. It cost one of the cousins his marriage because his wife wanted to press charges against UH for groping their daughter and the cousin wouldn't go along with it. Hank was a super judgemental Christer POS, who didn't approve of me. He once got in my face about some unimportant shit and I told him he should be careful because I'm not a little girl and I'd have no problems ending his shit once and for all. I'm no tough guy by any means, but I figured his nose crushing under my hand would be pretty sweet. Of course, when it got around to her family that I'd backtalked him, I was the bad guy.

When the POS died, the church was full, everyone was weeping, not a word about the girls he'd touched. He was a fucking saint. When his will came out, the list of debts to family members that he loaned money to was staggering.

I really liked the cousin who lost his wife. He seemed to be a real no nonsense guy. But to know that he did nothing...fucking nothing...when this fuck molested his daughter, how do you respect someone after that?

I honestly can't see a scenario of my kid being molested that didn't end with me on the fucker's porch with a ball bat in my hand and pistol tucked in my waistband with an ultimatum to get the fuck out of town within 48 hours.

I know that we can't say what we would do in a certain situation, but the ginger coach walking in on a 60 year old man raping a kid did the wrong fucking thing by staying silent. Silence is the most effective accomplice to these asshole.

hell get his in hell.

Only thing I kinda disagree with is I don't know if I could let the molester leave town. Maybe if he had a wife and kids. If he was single, he'd more than likely be tortured for days before dying slow.

It is amazing the amount of people that couldn't give a shit about anyone but themselves, and people that the can use for gain. The ginger traded silence for a well paid position on staff. When he dies there will be plenty of shower rape for him in hell.

Some strange kid you don't know is admittedly one thing, but these people who let it happen to their own kid, or even a niece or nephew, that do absolutely nothing to protect their own. I honestly can't wrap my head around it.

What about the kids who make stuff up and innocent people get hurt because of oversensitive parents? This stuff does happens and parents just jump the trigger and then the kid goes "sowwy...I made that up".

It happens. No doubt there. But what we're talking about here is a pattern of behaviour lasting years.

I just wish "old west" rules applied when it came to this kind of thing. I'd love to think, "if my kid was molested, I would beat that guy within inches of his life", and while this isn't a "two wrongs don't make a right" thing, attempted murder would do nothing but hurt my family further.

That's exactly it...a lot of times, doing what might feel right and/or what you'd like to do at the time only brings you fleeting satisfaction, & it only tends to make matters worse for you and/or your family in the long run. In this case, it seems like many of the people coming forward as having been victimized my Sandusky are adults & the abuse happened some time ago. That fact would have only made matters worse should one of his victims and/or victim's families actually beat the Hell out of him and/or killed him.

The irony is that, under Pennsylvania law, had someone killed him in retaliation for what he did, they would likely have been punished more severely than Sandusky was, as so much time had passed & it would have clearly been premeditated.

There was a case in Texas recently where a guy found another (47 year old) guy molesting his 4 year old daughter in a barn, & after pulling him off his daughter, the man repeatedly beat the man about the head...ultimately beating him to death. Due to the immediate threat posed, & the fact that IT WAS TEXAS in that case, no charges were filed against the father. The fact that the abuse was actually occurring at the time (recency) DOES make a difference everywhere though. The more time that passes (and it doesn't actually have to be a long time either), they less likely it will be viewed as justified. Of course Texas is a whole other animal...who knows what you can get away with there. Ha ha ha!

Anyway, and pardon the cliche, like you eluded to, two wrongs rarely, if ever, make a right...they really do only tend to make matters worse actually.

I would stand up for the molester and beat you up and then your kid.

You can't even beat your meat through a wet kleenex without an enema nozzle up your ass. What makes you think you'd administer any kind of fist-discipline?

Geez. What did I do to you?


***Not you Bornyo. It seems our posts came through at the exact same time***