You aren't hearing me. If you try getting in their panties it could probably be done with the price of the rest of your life in jail the first time you said anything perceived to be mildly offensive or hurtful. Or you could wind up with an ink pen or letter opener in your eye. A dude tried his counselling tricks at one of the girls facilities and wound up fired and in court forthwith ! Even the women that worked with them couldn't handle it for more than a few years. I knew one that had a massive coronary and one that tried the pill route for relief. You've not known psycho until you tried talking to a girl jd about dumping her drug addicted pimp of a boyfriend or her butt fuck Sat. night daddy. I'm talking real life not porn forum fantasy bull shit !