Hi there...

PLEASE SEE ATTACHED PICTURE.

This is a real, sincere letter from a real couple living in Huntington Beach, CA.

We have been married almost ten years.

We got married when she was 16, and he was 26, in Las Vegas, NV.

As a couple we have had well over 300 girls share our bed.

300 BEAUTIFUL girls, that is.

For a long, long time, we have declined offers to shoot porn. Yes, we have had offers.

However- recently, a girlfriend of ours entered the jizz biz...

...and it really, really, really fucking PISSED US OFF.

Yeah, we liked her a lot. So should we forgive, and forget?

Nah, fuck that.

We want REVENGE.

Revenge, as you know, is a highly motivating factor...especially in sex.

Do we know how to fuck?

You bet your ass we do.

Do we know how to fuck pretty girls?

You bet your ass we do.

Are we exciting to watch with other girls?

You bet your ass we are.

We can't include shots of us with other girls, because the other girls we know don't want to do porn.

We shot a set of 9 pics for a couple of very nice people named Nicole Sheridan and Voodoo.

Yes, they liked them, and we hope you will like them too.

We don't have any diseases. We don't have any addictions. We are both well educated...

...and we would like to use USE OUR REAL NAMES AND REAL INDENTITIES.

Why would we like to use our REAL NAMES?

1)We want revenge. 2)We have nothing to hide. 3)We fuck pretty girls so well that they ask if they can move in. 4) We do not lie.

Besides all that...

...we have a damn interesting story to tell.

Just wait until you hear about the careers we have, and have had...

...These ain't no dummies here, yo...

...Our story is a story that would SELL...with a real couple that likes to FUCK PRETTY GIRLS.

...and does it WELL.

Shit, just translating a few of our real life encounters into videos would sell buttloads of tapes...and that ain't no bullshit.

We aren't crazy- we just want revenge.

And what better way to get it- than to fuck pretty girls-

...in every position- and every way possible...on VIDEO.

A real couple, using their real names, available to do interviews with MAINSTREAM MEDIA and hiding NOTHING.

No fear, baby... no fear at all.

Excited yet?

Think about the press...

Yummy, huh?

We look forward to hearing from you soon...

We are only interested in working with MAJOR directors, for MAJOR studios.

Thanks...

Michael
email: friends@vzavenue.net
Huntington Beach, CA

Big fuckin' deal. Maybe you two fucknuts should meet the Kerkoves. You two arent even close to ready for porn. I'll bet your wife only fucks girls and you. That is'nt porn, thats some married couple having sex. My mom and dad do it all the time (I wouldnt want to see it though), and guess what...Millions of married couples around the world fuck everyday....and guess what else....they use thier real names...hard to belive huh? However....if you two really would like to get into porn, bring your lovely woman to a Bukkake shoot and let the boys break her in right, or let JM put her in the next White Trash Whore. When a guy can stand by and admire his beautiful wife getting gang fucked by a bunch of black guys (for a couple hundred dollars) then you are ready for porn. Till then don't waste your time we don't want to see you.
Have a nice day and thank you for your time,
PHATBOY.

Bottom Line: Dude, you can go. Lady, your opinion on piss?

Michael,
Do you see what I was talking about?
(Owen, Thank you for your support!).
PHATBOY.

Let's see..

No attatched picture, except for some micro-sized ones that could be anything.

Some bragging about how ace you are.

Someone you know made a choice about their own life, and for some reason you're pissed off and "want revenge", like a fucking wanker.

More talk about how ace you are. I'm really excited now. /yawn

Real names? Wow, just like.. um, shitloads of established performers. Wow you're HARDCORE!

1)You're an idiot 2)Nothing to hide, yet you're still not interesting 3)You're a Wanker 4) EVERYONE lies sometime.

The mainstream media don't care about you.

Your "true-life story" might sell a video or two. For fuck's sake, they made a video with the hooker that blew Hugh Grant. She's forgotten now, like you would be with your tosser's attitude.

MAJOR directors, for MAJOR studios. I can only imagine the line. Wanker.

Aza

Okay, okay, I guess I came off a little arrogant.

Sorry about that.

I changed the picture, but I can only put up one because of the 100k limit.

I do LOVE the honesty here though, I must admit.

It is very, very cool that all of you say what's on your mind, and that the forum truly is uncensored.

As to the idea that married couples can't fuck, or that we aren't ready for porn, I would have to disagree.

Evan Stone and Jessica Drake, and Nicole Sheridan and Voodoo are married, and all produce incredible porn.

I think married couples make BETTER porn because they can practice to get it right, much like dancers with choreography.

But, that's just my opinion.

And as to the suggestion that everyone has to do bukkakes and get pissed on...

Those aren't things people with long term plans should start out with.

Problem is, once a girl- or a couple- starts with those, there is very little left to the imagination.

It's simply not a good marketing plan to start off with the hardest hardcore you can do.

You grow an audience by making them want more.

Plus, we DO have an incredible story to tell. I just can't tell it here.

...I can hear the angry replies coming already...bring 'um on...

michael

What is your wifes rate for a triple blowjob scene with facials but no swallowing?

Evan Stone and Jessica Drake, and Nicole Sheridan and Voodoo are married, and all produce incredible porn.......


Yes they do. They however also have incredible track records as well in the jiz biz. As I have told many newbie starlets.....Dont expect to have Vivid or Wicked pounding at your door offering you a contract just because your cute and like to fuck....you have to pay your dues.....even in porn.

People with bad directions pay dues.

We've never had bad directions.

We have had misfortunes, but those have come by chance, not because we weren't working hard.

You have to understand Charles, we aren't your run of the mill 'I need some cash so I can get high' porn people.

If we are going to do this thing, we're only going to do it when it's right.

We don't need the money.

This we would do for fun.

We're sick of watching bad fucking in porn, we want to kick the ass of the girl who left us- by selling more tapes than her- and we love to fuck, and fuck well. And people like to watch us fuck. It ain't a bad life.

That probably sounds arrogant again, and if it does, I apologize.

However, eventually...

...some intelligent director will read these posts and understand that we are exactly what he, or she, is looking for in porn people...dependable, drug-free, pretty, smart, and willing to learn- when the agreed upon shoot is beneficial to all.

It may not come across, as I have to defend myself here, but we really are warm, caring, and friendly people.

If I were a director, and I have directed television shows and news, I'd drop these people a line.

As for paying dues in porn...

That's what all the old, fat dudes tell the 18 year olds to get them to do whatever they want.

We're a little more seasoned than to fall for that.

Plus, my wife ain't no normal girl.

If she stood next to Vivid girls in public..the Vivid girls would be running to the bathroom to fix their makeup.

She's really that beautiful, and it ain't no lie.

We'll hold out for the right offer, at the right time.

And then Charles- one day- you'll see what I meant.

Michael

Anyway Michael,
Back to the subject.....How much for a triple blowjob scene with facials but no swallowing?
PHATBOY.

Phatboy...

I'll answer your questions, if you answer a few of mine:

Do you run a major studio?

Are you a director at a major studio?

Do you distribute through a major studio?

Is your studio listed on stunningcurves.com, or AVN?

How many units do you move a month?

Are your actors and actresses tested bi-weekly at AIM?

Have you ever had sex with Marc Wallice?

Thanks.

Michael

Ok, When I made the remark about everyone paying there dues look at AVN's number #2 Jenna Jameson (Ron Jeremy being their number #1). She worked with Randy West (First B/G Scene - Up & Cummers 11 - Pre breast augmentation) and even did a creampie with him and there are LOT of new girls get their start with Ed Powers. If you both really feel you have what it takes then just go over and meet with Jim at World and see what he can do for ya. No disrespect to you both but you re not going to start at "the top" just like anything in life you must give it some time and you may even have to work with people that you may not really want to.

Michael,
To answer your questions.

No, I do not run a major studio.

No, I am not a director for a major studio.

No, I do not have a distributor.

No, I am not associated with Stunningcurves or AVN.

I only move a few units. (less than 100 a month)

Any actors or actresses that I use, including myself have a current PCR/DNA test, by current I mean no more than 30 days. I don't know of anybody being tested every two weeks?

I have not had sex with Marc Wallice.

There I have answered your questions. Let me remind you that allthough I do not have many qualifications, many who post here do, I.E.: Jeff Steward,Francescia Le',Dave Cummings,Brandon Iron and many more, but I don't see any of them making replies to your posts. I may be small time right now but you cannot start at the end, you must start at the beginning, as you are probably finding out for yourself. If you would not give someone like myself who is just starting out a chance why would you expect anyone to do the same for you? "One cannot fly into flying. One must first learn to crawl then stand." (Niche quotes on a porn site?)
Once again it sounds like you are uptight about letting other guys fuck your wife, who at 26, is past her prime in this industry. Which leads me back to the statement I made earlier that you are not "PORN-STARS" you are just some married couple having sex. I think this is why none of the mainstream directors who post here are interested in you.

O.K. all that said now, back to my question.
How much for a triple blowjob scene with facials but no swallowing?

Love & Kisses
PHATBOY.

We are shooting American Bukkake 22 in Oct.Let me know if she wants to give that a try.

the wife is hot hot hot. i would love to see her in jm movies soon!

yes, jm productions is the perfect company to work for

Wow, I am really starting to like you guys...

Honestly, I had no idea that this stupid little ad would allow me to meet so many interesting people.

I truly mean that.

Hell, I had no idea that anyone would care, much less actually reply.

Where do I start...

I think the 'lesson' you are all trying to teach me is that I should assume that to get 'in', I will have to seperate from my wife, and stand by on the sidelines as she gets fucked.

That sounds like a bad idea for a couple of reasons.

First, WE, as a COUPLE have PLENTY of EXPERIENCE fucking PRETTY GIRLS.

I guess none of you want to either believe that, or it simply doesn't excite you.

But it should.

We have been with men before, and no, I am not some jealous dork who won't let his wife get fucked by another dude.

The question is..."do they enjoy that?"

The answer is, "no, not really."

Getting into this business is something we are trying to do TOGETHER.

Thus, attempting to put me, hubby, on the sidelines, that ain't gonna fly...

Our first scene will be TOGETHER, preferably with another girl, or two or three, and maybe a guy... depending on the guy.

A guy like Voodoo is appealing.

A guy like Evan Stone is appealing.

Why?

Because they are MARRIED, and I won't have to worry about getting those annoying fucking calls at three in the morning from a guy who fucked my wife when we swang togeter and now wants to get her to leave me.

It never works, it's annoying, she hates it, I hate it, and we would like to avoid it.

So, if there is going to be a guy involved, it is preferable that he too is MARRIED, and tested NEGATIVE for all diseases.

That said, we love fucking GIRLS.

Have I said that enough?

Why can't you guys throw us an offer with multiple GIRLS for a change? We have real life experience with three and four girls at a time, and we are good at it.

Does everything have to be about sperm and anal sex?

Shit, it ain't like anyone's gonna see my damn face anyways...

Why not put my wife and I in an orgy with two or three other hot looking girls?

Have us 'train' them in how to be good slaves or something?

(Yes, this is something we have already done in our private lives)

That would be fun, y'all would get a hot fucking product, and everyone would be happy?

In other words...

If you have two people who are GOOD AT SOMETHING, and HAVE EXPERIENCE AT IT...why in the Hell would you split them up and make them do stuff they are amateurs at?

Isn't that like asking Jim Morrison to leave The Doors so you can only pay one salary?

Seems rather ridiculous to me.

Don't you people want a quality product?

Underneath it all, I think what y'all are doing is trying to teach the newbie a lesson.

I get the lesson.

But you still aren't hearing ME.

Someone with a brain is EVENTUALLY going to figure out, at some point, that we should be employed to do WHAT WE DO BEST.

And when that offer comes along, happiness will be shared by all.

Damn...

I am really starting to love coming here and talking to you guys.

I have no idea where the hell this is going, but it may be somewhere cool...

Maybe one of these days we can all meet and have a drink or something...

...or would y'all try to knock me outta that too?

LOL.

Food for thought.

I am really starting to like you people, and that is a terrifying, mortifying thought...

Thus, for the moment, no, we aren't interested in a three guy facial or a bukkake.

Is that out of the question for all of eternity?

No, it isn't.

It just ain't the way we wanna break in.

We wanna break in together, and we wanna break in doing what we do best.

And by the way, the Marc Wallice question was just a joke.

I hope you thought it was funny.

What will you guys come up with next?

I can't wait to find out.

I never had any idea that posting a stupid little ad would provoke so much thought and debate.

Damn, this sure is a blast.

And if any of you know Evan Stone and Jessica Drake out there...

Please tell them they are our idols and WE would LOVE to do a scene with them.

Nicole and Voodoo already know we love them so 'nuff said.

Sure would blow the fucking barn doors off my brain if one of you really knows Evan and Jessica...

Let's see what ya got...

Michael

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Michael,
O.K. Maybe Jeff would like to give you both a shot at the same time. Hey Jeff, what would you think about offering up a chance to do a "DOUBLE GAG FACTOR"? This way we all get what we want right? Michael and his lovely wife get to break into the porn business at the same time and do it together, I'll offer up my cock and cum load for free,and I am PCR/DNA tested, Jeff has the studio ,production and major label, and then everybody else gets to see if Michael is in this for himself or for the both of them.
I say Michael balks again at the chance to be in mainstream porn because he doesn't want to let some other guy take turns throat fucking his wife.
PHATBOY.

you only want to share your wife with married pornstars? that's pretty fucked up. what's next? fucking condom-only? porn is about going all the way not act like a fucking nun.

i don't think jm should waste their time with this couple. there are better whores out there who are willing to go all the way.

Yeah Dinand, you're right, but it's kinda' fun calling Michael out, knowing he really wants to fuck hot porn chicks, but does'nt want any guys fucking his wife. Who wouldnt want to fuck thier own girl plus three or four other beautiful porn girls at the same time? But what we really want to see is this chick get fucked by three or four big cocks....and Michael could join in to if he feels it necessary. Unfortunately that's not going to happen is it Michael? I feel in my heart of hearts that you two would be better off in theater not in porn. Porn is a place for whores and pervs to make, and spend money, doing what they do best, being whores and pervs. I think that you Michael are in it for the drama, and since we have not heard from your wife we don't even know what she is in it for. Anyhoo ...theatre is for drama and porn is for whores and pervs....so are you a perv with a whore ass wife or are you a "Drama Queen"?
Slobbery Kisses to you and yours,
PHATBOY.

this guy michael should take lessons from skeeter kerkove on how to be the perfect suitcase pimp.

I am truly starting to love Phatboy.

Not in a homo way, of course...although he does want to rub dicks with me while fucking my wife...lol...

Do I want to fuck 'hot porno chicks'?

Hell yeah I do.

But what you may forget is that I already have fucked 'hot porno chicks'- just not on camera.

In fact, the girl who pissed us off is now a 'hot porno chick'.

Oddly enough, when the three of us used to go dancing, people were staring at my wife, instead of this 'hot porno chick.'

Thing is, once you get close to a lot of these 'hot porno chicks'- they ain't so hot anymore.

This is where my wife is different.

She doesn't need makeup to turn heads.

I was looking at Lukeford.com, and studying the brilliant writing going on there. I mean that- there really is some truly brilliant writing going on there.

There is also brilliant writing going on here.

One thing I did notice though, is the use of the word 'whore' in regards to 'hot porn chicks'.

Wanker Wang said a 'whore' is a girl who has sex for money, and who primarily does it for the money.

Therefore, my question is this, to Phatboy and JM Productions and everyone else...

If we are doing this primarily because we enjoy fucking pretty girls, and NOT for the money, is my wife a 'whore', or just a 'slut'?

Just wondering.

By the way, I was reading the posts about people being censored in Adultdvdtalk.

You guys are absolutely correct, that forum is bought and paid for by the advertisers.

They censored one of my posts too.

Michael

Hi,
To quickly answer your question, your wife is not a 'whore' or a 'slut'. I'd have to say that she's a 'dumb whore' based on the fact that if she's even close to a decent piece of ass, she'd get paid.
Sir, I think you have the wrong idea about this business. If you think you pick and choose what couple or partner the two of you are prepared to work with, well, you're very wrong. This business is about fresh faces, quick turn-around and usually no limits. I suggest you take a few bucks, invest in a decent camcorder and submit some footage to Home Grown Video.

Rose...

Come now...

Didn't you watch Jenna on her E True Hollywood Story?

Guess what...she is CORRECT.

You CAN pick and choose who you want to fuck in this business.

I knew that before I saw that show, too.

It's the chicks that need money for blow and speed that do whatever it takes.

The truly hot chicks...the ones everyone wants...and every man fantasizes about?

Well, that would be my wife.

Marketing is the real value in porn.

Let's see...

Have I suggested a marketing GOLD MINE in my posts?

You bet I have.

Real names. Real stories. Real fucking. Real beauty...

...and No Apologies.

Hmmm...

Wouldn't that be DIFFERENT from the norm?

Yep.

And wouldn't that STICK OUT?

Of course it would.

When we get down to brass tacks, the men of America don't really want a cum gurgling whore...

...they want MY WIFE.

The winner will be the person who figures that out FIRST, and stops trying to act like I'm some jealous dork who never swang before.

There is money to be made here...

...but all I keep reading about...

...is egos...

Michael

this is bullshit, all i want to know is if your wife is willing to go all the way or not?

This post is for my wife, for tonight, on the occasion of our 9th year of marriage, and our 10th year together.

After all the nastiness you've all thrown at us, I thought some tenderness might be in order, even here on xxxporntalk.com.

If you hate tenderness...you don't have to read this.

You have been warned.

A LETTER TO THE MOST AMAZING WOMAN IN THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD, ON OUR 9TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY...

Happy Anniversary, darling.

I love you more than you will ever know.

It seems we have failed at entering this business on our own terms. None of these people understand, or want to understand, the beauty that is you, and the happiness that is us.

It seems we are the only two people left in the world who enjoy sex for the sake of sex, not to get drugs, money, fame, Jesus, or an invitation to Heaven by abstaining.

Everyone is using sex for something else, and that's sad.

Nobody just wants to let us fuck, and fuck other people, on camera. This failure is so ironic.

Everyone wants to tear us apart, and turn you into something undesirable for their own selfish cravings.

But just because we failed at this, doesn't mean we're unlucky.

I still love you as much as I did when we first married, and I will be with you forever.

I will be with you when we both get red spots all over our foreheads, and we can't remember how to go to the bathroom anymore.

I will be with you when your boobs flop around your knees, and your dentures sit on the sink next to mine.

I will be with you, holding your wrinkled hand in mine, hearing every word you say in the hospital, even when you have tubes shoved down your throat and can't talk, but only gurgle.

You are the most beautiful, kindest, most honest and caring woman that has ever walked this earth,

...the years have flown by...

...and I still love you.

Happy Anniversary, darling.

Michael

Anybody got a tissue?

Dear Phatboy and others...

Fine.

You win. We lose.

Maybe when this era of 'Rape & Hate Porn' crests and subsides, maybe we will gain entrance to your 'club'.

Nothing lasts forever.

There are only so many ways to 'degrade whores' until even that gets old.

Shit, they even tried murdering a girl on camera already, albeit in a fake way, and that tape didn't even hit no. 1.

How much more jaded can you get than that?

Right now, porn seems to be about finding prostitutes who are available on the quasi-'modelling' agencies so that the fans can see the video, and then pay the prostitutes a grand or two to come fuck him- or them- in a hotel room.

These girls don't like sex, they just need cash for shopping, alcohol, blow, and speed. It's obvious from watching current porn that these girls can't wait to leave the set and go do other stuff.

The performances get worse and worse with each new tape.

How naive my wife and I were to enjoy having sex, just because it's fun, and to enjoy having sex with other attractive people- because we enjoy it, and are good at it.

We wanted to take that love of sex, and share it with you, bringing other people into it, on camera.

However, this will not be tolerated- this idiotic 'enjoying' of sex.

We just can't have this.

After all, if my wife enjoys it, if WE enjoy it, and aren't DEPENDENT on a studio head for money or drugs, we can't be pimped or manipulated, right?

WE JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT, CAN WE?

We now understand that this 'industry' really isn't about sex, or even quality sex on camera. It's about Power, and it's about Prostitution. The guys that run the studios say they're running a 'business', yet their stars need to fuck them before they let them appear on camera.

That ain't a business, that's ugly guys using power to fuck chicks they can't get in the real world without using money.

I have never paid for sex, used power to get sex, or lied to get sex, and I never will. I'd rather go without.

If this really was just a 'business', the studio heads would NOT need to fuck the girls that appear in their videos, or pimp them out, or give them drugs, and the entire decision would be based on performance, look, and audience preference.

Oddly enough, the guy out in Oklahoma with a DVD player is really your main source of income, and he can't get to LA to line up the girls he saw on camera to come to his hotel room.

It's also doubtful that he even has a couple grand to spare.

Therefore, might the thought occur to any of you that this guy, your main bread and butter, might get tired of this porn-stripper-prostitute connection...and maybe want something 'pure'?

Is it possible that the guy in Oklahoma, or the girl in Illinois might be attracted to watching people who retain a degree of EXCLUSIVITY in their sexual explorations?

What a dirty word that is, huh?

EXCLUSIVITY.

You'll all say I'm wrong, I realize.

But I think you'll be saying it just to enforce your status quo.

Mark my words, there will come a day when porn viewers will again want the unattainable, rather than the available-by-telephone.

To be able to fantasize about having sex with a girl who DOESN'T do drugs...

...a girl that DOESN'T drink...
...a girl that is GENUINE...
...and NICE and INTELLIGENT and PRETTY...
...and IS NOT available-

-to every fat, old, hairy bald guy with a grand...

-That day and age will soon return to porn...

...After the age of 'Rape and Hate Porn' fizzles out.

And when it does, we'll be there for you.

Until then, I guess you guys hold the keys to the Kingdom, and we'll just sit here on the sidelines, waiting.

Damn, if you only knew what you'll be missing.

We were ready to rock your world, if you all just would have accepted a different point of view...

...you would have seen some INCREDIBLE performances, and you all would have gotten off in a way far more stimulating than what's being offered right now.

So for now...

You win, and we lose.

But is it a hollow victory?

I guess only time will tell.

Michael

Mike, the issue is that people want to see porn that gets them off (let me explain, guys buy tapes and wack off to em.) Seeing you and your wife making love (and also knowing your disdain for hardcore) REALLY sounds boring. And if you think you will crack the couples market, go for it. Grab a AVN mag and try to contact vivid. Who cares if you 'know' how to fuck. The world is over 5 billion people large; its obvious that people know how to fuck. But can she take a cumshot in the eye while you shoot it POV style? Yah, so maybe your gf/wife is attractive; big deal, so are millions of other people.Check out Aria and the other porn wannabes with Studio A. What really is important is the gusto that they show for performing on camera. Which, you have to prove, plain and simple.

Your whole reasons why you want to fuck on camera is suspect. If its to prove that you can sell more vids that the un-named porn person you spoke of than you can understand why people here think you are a complete tool.
If its to brag about your fuck skills, big applause for you (who are you Rocco?)

My biggest question is if you know the slightest thing about the industry? Have you been to a AVN convention? Have you been on a set or performed in front of sweaty, bearded men holding cameras over you waiting for a cumshot?

My tip is to try and contact or get in touch with Jill Kelly Productions; sure, if you make a movie with em it will have music over your brilliant dialogue/lovemaking bravado. I actually don't discourage you; but remember what happened to Gauge and her bf when they came into the industry. Gauge now does pretty good hardcore with lots of people, her boyfriend is forgotten.

Last question; why doesn't yr wife write anything on here? Its all you, man. Writing long essays about your cocksmanship. until you hateplow like eric everhard or show your cock as being bigger than lex steele, you need to enroll in porno 101.

P Knuckle...

How about I give you an example of how WE THINK a great day of porn shooting would go.

My wife and I arrive at the set in the morning, around 9am.

At the studio are 3 beautiful girls, and one other guy.

All of these wonderful folks have been tested, and although that ain't a perfect system, cuz they have a couple weeks to get AIDS in, but it's better than nothing.

DAY OF testing is what we all should be pushing for. You go to the set at 6am, get the results by 9am, and fuck until 5pm. That would be heaven.

When we arrive at the studio, we haven't had to do drugs, get drunk, or fuck anyone. We are there to perform with the 3 other girls and the guy.

Could we do facials, orgies, internal cumshots, dp's, and whatever else the director comes up with?

We'd love to.

See? Is that so bad?

Am I nuts now?

The girls simply have to be hot, the guy too, and we don't have to appear on the so-called 'modelling' agencies to be available for some dorks bachelor party, or get pissed on by some mysoginist.

Four chicks, and two guys, work their asses off all day long giving the director what he, or she, wants.

I can 'hateplow' just as well as Mr. Everhard.

If that's what you call it.

I'm 7", have a very clean and nice penis, and know how to fuck.

I don't need a fluffer.

I also don't need Viagra.

But this scenario, I'm sure, is too much to ask for.

Apparently, my wife has to become a prostitute and do coke and speed to get into porn.

Given the right director, I'm sure he or she could come up with a million 'hardcore' scenarios to put us in.

No, plot line is not important, and we don't need music.

My wife doesn't post on here because she has a full time job, and makes more money than these so-called 'stars'.

She does, however, read every word written here, and currently thinks all you people hate women.

Maybe one person with a brain will pop up to change her mind, but I wouldn't count on it.

Right now I am starting a new commission based career, so I have the ability to post when I need to.

We would love to make 'hardcore', so please don't think we're shy.

We just want to do it with people who are attractive, drug and disease free, and don't want to have to become prostitutes to studio heads or 'agencies'.

As for Gauge, well...

...if you don't go in with rules, and if you don't stick to them, you end up with disaster.

We have rules, we stick to them, and that's why we've been married for 9 years.

The side of us nobody wants to see is our goodness side.

We'd be damn fine people to work with.

Once everything is agreed upon, we'd know how to shut the fuck up, and give the director what he or she wants.

We just want to perform.

Could me and the guy dp my wife? Of course.

Could he come on her face? Of course.

Could she go down on the other girls while we fuck them? Hell yes.

Could she fuck the other guy? Of course.

Could we get rough? Oh yes.

The thought of a good looking, disease free guy fucking my wife is no problem at all, as long as I'm there, and as long as we're together. Add on the three hot, disease free girls, and we'd show you some energetic fucking that comes from the heart.

We'd also like to work with a major studio because my wife is hotter than these other skanks, and deserves the exposure.

Sorry skanks.

But can anyone really tell me I'm wrong about this?

I mean, how silly is it that we can't get into porn because we won't be prostitutes or do drugs or fuck studio heads?

Fuck man, I love gonzo and all that shit as much as anyone else...I think what we are fighting about is all the shit we're supposed to do that AIN'T ON THE SHOOT.

...which is pretty fucking retarded to me, man.

Michael

I don't want to bust your bubble. But you two are a just swingers trying to get in the business. You think you have the "value" because in the swing scene you are hot. But this is not swinging there are many married couples coming into the bizz that are better looking and younger than you. Most of these couple end up having the female partner work more. You are right there are many married couples out there but they still have to work with other people. You just want your cake and eat it too. Dream on loser

Nah...

I disagree.

The problem is that I just learned a lesson.

I'm posting an ad on a board frequented by guys who like 'Rape & Hate Porn'.

Some of these dudes actually make the shit.

But, hey, I guess I learned a tough lesson...don't post an ad on a board until you understand who goes to that board.

We want to break into mainstream porn.

Therefore, yes, I picked the wrong message forum to place an ad on.

The Top Ten movies are not 'Rape & Hate Porn' movies.

Therefore, people like you, and others, who have tried to give us 'advice' are actually FULL OF SHIT.

The mainstream producers are NOT looking for talent that shows up on 'Meatholes.com' getting pissed on by ugly, old, fat guys.

The mainstream producers ARE in fact, looking for people LIKE US.

Posting this ad gave me a pretty good education as to what all of this is really about.

There are the 'big leagues', that is, the people like Vivid and Digital Playground and Wicked and Sin City and Jill Kelly. (Even though the last two are having trouble paying their bills, apparently...)

...and then...

There are the 'wannabees'...Anabolic/Diabolic, Red Light, Sineplex, Evil Angel, Extreme Associates...

We aren't interested in the wannabees.

The wannabees try to do the most extreme shit because that's the way the make enough money...

TA DA!

...To become MAINSTREAM.

Soooooooo...

This game has nothing to do with anything any of you have 'advised'.

The way to win this game is to make your own success.

My wife and I are going to be meeting with many of the mainstream companies very, very soon.

Since my wife hasn't been pissed on, eaten cum out of her own butt, or tasted her own shit yet...

...It's a very good chance that they WILL be interested, and that she WILL fit THEIR IMAGE.

All of you people who told us that we should 'work up to it'...

GO FUCK YOURSELVES.

You just wanted to use us, and, if we had listened to you, you would have fucked up our chances.

Taylor Rain listened to people like you.

Think the mainstream companies will give her a contract now?

No fucking way.

And she listened to morons like you.

When we make our first tape, and it sells for $40, we'll get back to you.

Until then, try pimping out the next new person who comes to this site.

If they're smart, they'll have read this thread, and be that much smarter, and that much harder to piss on.

...and as for the comment about us not cutting it in the looks or age department...

...Two of those mainstream companies have already contacted us, and it was NOT through this ad.

See ya on a glossy boxcover real soon...

...and oh yeah...

Thanks for all the 'advice'.

Michael

We will all bet a $100 dollars that you won't make it.
I can guarantee you Vivid, Wicked, Sin City or JKP will NOT give you a contract. Your wife is ok, you need to get back to Earth. You sound like one of those pathetic girls that go on Howard Stern thinking they should be on Playboy. Try Vivid first let me see Steve laugh in your face.

Hey man, all I'm saying is stop biting the potential hand that feeds you. Go for it; throw yourself and your 'No show Ho' into the mix. I hope you do well; reach back there during the double anal and grab a big bunch of Evan Stones ass. But check your posts, dude.

I am not one to lick AVN's ass, but guess what was the big fucking movie that won the awards Michael? Fashionistas, you moron. By Evil Angel. Which by any stretch of the imagination is one of the top players for directors and hardcore fans. If you don't realize how important redlight, JM productions, evil angel, sineplex, anabolic/diabolic are, then you can go fuck yourself with your 7 inch cock; your posts are misguided and out of touch because you obviously HAVE NOT done your homework. Homework which should include more than fucking your wife. It sounds like you want to be a porn star; what about her feelings? Yeah, her feelings! I guess call me the porno Oprah; I actually care what she has to say. Does she EXIST?

Your a porn gremlin; a suitcase pimp who thinks insulting porn viewers is a staircase to stardom. Selling a tape for 40 bucks? First off, put it on dvd. Next, what is soooo special about you? You already think you and your wifey are BETTER than anyone else. I am beginning to think your whole post is suspect; it really is not hard to break into porn, just take your woman and yourself to Chatsworth and start the pimping. Another question, how did you get banned from ADT? Maybe your lack of knowledge and disrespect of the industry got you canned there; who knows. Grab a digital camera, film a scene with the wife, and go peddle it. But ripping on hardcore porn fans is a stupid move. You WANT people to want to fuck your wife; thats what sells movies. If you act like your better than the audience, who the hell would want to buy your products? Its like you are saying to us,
'Hey, fuck you, please buy our tapes because we are good at fucking and my wife looks ok!'

I think Howard Stern is the only road for you; just let your wife talk and shut up. My guess she speaks russian and you picked her from a catalogue but maybe she can step up to the plate and complete a sentence for the big bucks. Maybe we would take you more seriously on here if your intentions were for the greater good of porn strokin and viewin rather than just strokin your own inflated ego.

Face the facts jackass . Your wife is butt ugly and should feel damn lucky that anyone would want to fuck her at all . The boys at Vivid or Wicked would laugh you and that beast right out of the building . Maybe you could sell your women to a group of homeless men who could take turns using her as a human urinal .

Your wife is too old to get a contract from a major studio especially with a suitcase pimp like you. I'm still curious as to who the whore you are seeking revenge against. Does she have a contract? Why is it only you have been speaking to us? Does your wife too stupid to type or does she just not exist?

Look folks...

I don't hate any of the companies I mentioned.

In fact, I own releases from those companies, and yes, they do very good work.

The point I was making is that the kind of stuff they make DOES NOT appeal to my wife.

Thus, she does not want to get into this if it requires her to do the more hardcore stuff.

I, on the other hand, would be happy to do the more hardcore stuff- with other girls.

And...

...it is true that smaller companies find a 'niche' market so they can get enough profit together to break into the mainstream.

Dion Garusso comes to this forum.

Let me ask Dion a question...

Dion...when you get enough profit together, do you plan to create something 'big', something that you can be proud of?

My guess is that he does.

Is that to say that what Red Light is making right now is not good?

No, it isn't.

In fact, it's very good. For me, Red Light does great stuff. So does Anabolic. My wife just happens to dislike it.

It's just not what she likes, would buy, or would want to be in.

Shit, I'd love to be in a Red Light production, but it seems that there is a very small band of guys that have a lock on that right now.

So why even try to get in? It seems hopeless.

Maybe I should give you all some idea of what my wife likes, what SHE thinks is a GREAT porn movie...

My wife likes 'The Story of O'.

It's a ten part series, shot on film, from a book that she loves.

This may shock all of you, but it includes whipping, bondage, anal, watersports, imprisonment, and beautiful girls and guys.

But alas, it's the WAY that it's done that she loves. Ironic as it may seem, all of these things are done tastefully, and, even more ironic...this series was made 20 years ago.

I happen to love 'The Story of O' too.

I also like the stuff Red light does.

And the others.

It just isn't for her.

Anyways...

...I think what is going to have to happen here is something like P Knuckle suggested...we need to do something everyone can see.

So...

We have decided to up the ante.

From what I gather, most of the directors and producers that do porn live in LA.

Therefore, we have decided that we are going to put up, or shut up.

Within a short time I am going to be making an announcement about my wife and I appearing at a semi-public place in the Los Angeles area.

At that appearance, which all of you will be able to attend, my wife and I are going to FUCK, LIVE, in front of ALL OF YOU, and pull out all the stops.

We will not ask for money, since we are not about money.

We will not need drugs, since we do not do drugs.

Tape can be edited.

A live performance cannot.

I will be announcing when and where this will happen very soon.

But, when all of you tell your studio friends about this, make sure you let them know a few things.

1. We will not be fucking them.
2. We will be performing straight sex only.
3. We may be bringing another hot female to perform with us, in front of all of you, but she DOES NOT want to be in the industry.
4. The two of us, or possibly the three of us, will only be perfoming together. The reason for this is simple: We have all been TESTED and are COMPLETELY DISEASE FREE.

...and we'd like to stay that way.

If you can get into this venue for free, that's fine with us.

Like I said, we aren't about money.

In fact, we don't even want tips.

So there it is...this 'suitcase pimp' is stepping up to the plate.

Hate me as you wish...

..but you all better bring a hefty amount of tissue...

...cuz we are gonna get you all off.

I'll be making this announcement soon, so stay tuned.

I just have to make sure that this venue, which is very, very well known, doesn't mind me announcing this.

And by the way, P Knuckle, if you'd like to invite Mr. Stern, that would be great.

The girl who may perform with us was recently on his show.

And, once again, if any of you thought it was ME who disliked the stuff made by the companies I listed, I would like to correct that.

In fact, Mr. Garusso and Mr. Wanker can have a front row seat at our performance, if they would like.

Let the games begin...

Expect an announcement here soon.

Michael

Is anyone as bored with this crap as I am?

Tony- you need to find a yawning emoticon

zzzzzzzzz

As a sidebar, I thought I might include a quote from Sharon Mitchell, who founded AIM.

If any of you are wondering why we are being so careful, this may explain it...

REGARDING THE TRANSMISSION OF DISEASES, AND HOW MOST OF YOU IN HERE FEEL ABOUT THE ISSUE...HERE IS HOW YOUR SUPPOSEDLY EXALTED, MOST TRUSTED 'AGENT' FEELS ABOUT TELLING NEW PERFORMERS THE FACTS...

"The reason why Jim South doesn't like [AIM's Porn 101 tape] is because he wants to rush someone into the business," Mitchell charges. "They may not even have had sex doggie style in their private life, but he doesn't want me to tell them about chlamydia, gonorrhea or hepatitis or the risks so he can hurry up and get two dicks in their ass to get his $75. And after the fact, what people don't see are the ripped assholes and the women that are surprised and hurt and crying and the medications and the people that can't afford medications from not getting that prevention education at Jim South's, and that makes him a bad guy. That's a bad guy, in my opinion, and I'm not afraid to say that. And that's what this about. This is about 'cock-blocking Mitch, because she's taking away my $75 because, God forbid, she's negative.' But I'm not being negative and mean; I'm just letting you know that if you get someone to cum in your ass and you squat over and you squirt that cum into someone else's mouth, you're risking not only getting HIV, but you may be giving them Hepatitis B at the same time! I mean, there's a whole host of things that can go on. Don't you think you should be entitled to know that before you do this? What is so wrong about me doing that?"

Things sure would be much, much safer, and people like US would be quicker to get into porn if these attitudes changed.

You people in the industry should be pushing for DAY OF testing.

When DAY OF testing is achieved, we'll be happy to jump in, and go nuts. Until then, we will be careful. Any sane human being with a fair IQ would feel the same...

...unless you happen to be an uncaring agent or an uncaring director or an uncaring studio head.

ALSO...

The dorks who are paying these girls they see in the movies to fuck them for a grand in some LA hotel room should also be aware of this.

To make matters worse, they still aren't testing for HERPES.

If any of you care, it was because of THIS ISSUE that we pleaded with the girl we knew NOT to go into porn. There are a lot of Marc Wallices out there. A lot. We pray that she's okay, but we fear she is not.

'Nuff said.

Oh. and by the way...GOD BLESS SHARON MITCHELL. She is our HERO.

You go girl, and know that God walks with you.

Michael

yeah, that fucking bitch sharon mitchell is a real hero. she knew wallice was hiv positive and she still let him perform and afterwards tried to protect him.

Not only did I fall asleep finally from your public service messages; I peed my bed and woke up with vomit in my throat. Your posts just make me long all the more for the sweet sound of Aurora Snow choking on cock in Gag Factor.

Read your remarks-
'The dorks who are paying these girls they see in the movies'

These 'dorks' are those you are hoping to buy your movie, if and when it ever gets made. Maybe you should try appreciating those that like porn rather than rip on them.
Just a tip.


And if your wife is reading this, tell her we can't wait to see her ass. Because thats all she is, a piece of ass that you are willing to sell to us once you make porn. So I encourage you pimping her looks, etc to us to boost your own ego. I hope you take heed to the remarks from the 'dorks'. Your wife might be a Mensa IQ genius; but all she will be is a pair of small tits, ass and another semi-pretty face. You better have some thick skin; I can't wait to stroke to your swindled ass. Because it sounds more like hubby wants you to do this than you do.

Blah, blah, blah,
Why don't you just put a camcorder in your bedroom, tape yourselves having sex and sell it, you seem to think you know so much. Have you even tried going through a talent agent of any sort?

Oh and case you don't know Sharon Mitchell is just a used up old whore

Have we considered going through a talent agent?

As far as I know, Mr. South is supposed to be 'the best' in the business...

...but if he truly has a problem with informing girls about the risks they are about to take when entering the business...

...then no, we WILL NOT contact any 'talent agents.'

Thus far, the most reputable person who has contacted us is Mr. Ferrara, of Modelgig.com.

Mr. Ferrara had the COURAGE to stand up to critics when one of his models informed him that she tried to stop her asshole from being ripped apart on a shoot.

The fact that she lied about it is of no consequence.

The fact that he stood up for her is.

That took big brass balls, and my wife and I applaud him.

If we do ever go with an agent, it will probably be him.

I hope he feels the same way about Ms. Mitchell as we do, and I bet he does.

She is THE BEST thing to happen to this industry in the last ten years, and HISTORY will remember her COURAGE too.

If Sharon Mitchell ever decides to open her own studio, my wife and I will be HAPPY to sign up with her, and HAPPY to be her first contract stars.

CONSENT is an important word.

CONSENT involves people knowing what they are getting into, with no knowledge left out.

CONSENT can be a mood killer.

But FUCK THAT...

CONSENT is the ONLY way to go for people who like to sleep at night, and for people who know the difference between right, and wrong.

If Mr. South is willing to gloss over the risky aspects of this business just to make a buck...

...then my wife and I think he needs to change his views.

We don't need the money, and we don't care if he hates us for feeling that way.

Sharon Mitchell rocks.

Sharon Mitchell can sleep at night.

Sharon Mitchell is on the side of THE PERFORMERS.

What she did in her past, or the mistakes she may have made is of NO IMPORTANCE.

What IS of importance is TELLING THE TRUTH, and BEING A GOOD PERSON.

I want to have sex on camera.

My wife wants to have sex on camera.

We want to enter the business together.

We want to do it the RIGHT WAY.

We don't want to end up with a shitload of prescriptions used to treat a million different diseases, or worse, end up with AIDS.

Sitting around worrying about whether or not a cold you got could be your death sentence does't sound like much fun to us.

I would like to be the first member of the 'Sharon Mitchell' fan club.

Yes, you can be a good person, have integrity, and be in the porn industry.

You just have to have a brain, and know what to say NO to.

I don't think I'm 'insulting' porn viewers by being safe about entering the industry, and passing up offers.

To date, from this post, we have turned down 15 offers.

We will turn down another 100, and more, until the offer is right.

It ain't about money.

It's about safety, and what we like to do.

If anyone satisfies our requirements, which no, I don't think are too stringent, you'll have our happy fuck tape in your home within a couple of months.

And when you see that tape, and you watch us fuck, and you see the girls we are with...

...you will know that they are clean, we are clean, and that we aren't just looking for our next rock, or line.

Does that make a difference to a 'porn viewer'?

Image ALWAYS makes a difference.

The fact that Jenna Jameson IS NOT available for some derelict to piss on, or for a porn viewer to fuck in his sweaty hotel room- this is what makes people WANT HER ALL THAT MUCH MORE.

The operative word would be CLASS.

People pay good money for CLASS, and CLASS does exist.

We all want the girl we can't have- not the crack whore on the street corner.

I'm quite sure Mr. South is reading this post now...

...And we're quite sure he won't be very happy about it, and won't want to use us at World Modelling.

But guess what?

Until he changes his viewpoint, that's just fine with us.

When we find someone as respectable as Sharon Mitchell in this industry, we'll let you know.

Who knows, maybe someone like that- with guts and morals and decency- will even appear here on xxxporntalk.com.

I still have hope...

...and I know that many of you HATE ME.

It's Michael versus 600.

That's okay with me.

A thing done wrong simply isn't worth doing.

If this ever comes to fruition, and you all finally get to see us...

...all of this hate, will turn to love.

My wife and I admire people who have courage.

Courage means taking a lot of abuse.

Sharon Mitchell should be interviewed by Diane Sawyer.

Sharon Mitchell should be interviewed by Barbara Walters.

Sharon Mitchell is THE BEST HOPE that porn has for truly becoming an acceptable part of society.

I sure hope she opens a studio, and operates it in a building NEXT TO AIM.

That would be a GREAT STUDIO, and I would work my cock off for her.

Sharon Mitchell is OUR IDEA of what a truly INDEPENDENT, INTELLIGENT WOMAN should be.

SHARON MITCHELL FOR GOVERNOR!

Michael

can somebody throw this softy out of here?

porn is all about degrading women and not feeling bad about it!

" The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their view."
---Dr. Know

AN EPIPHANY IN THE STUPID LIFE OF MICHAEL...

Well folks, today was an important day in my life.

After viewing her latest release, today I realized that the girl we thought we knew, we didn't know at all.

Thus, this 'revenge' idea of mine was simply stupid to begin with, as was this idiotic idea of my wife and I trying to break into porn.

Today I realized that the girl we cared so much for is totally happy doing what she is doing, and nothing will stop her from getting to the top of the industry.

We tried to treat this girl with respect, love, and dignity, but alas, that isn't what she really wanted.

What she really wanted, the entire time we knew her, was money.

The girl we thought was different from the rest was in fact, just the same as the rest...she was just a better actress.

So, getting 'revenge' was a pretty stupid idea.

You can't make someone jealous who never cared about you in the first place.

While it is true that my wife and I love sex, and are fantastic performers with the girls we have known, and would definitely be great on camera, I guess this whole 'ad' thing was a pretty stupid idea.

Many of you have tried to tell me this, and yes, I am hard-headed and have resisted listening to you.

I think what you have all been witnessing is a man coming to terms with lost love.

But, it was a one-sided love, so therefore, I look like just another stupid moron, grappling with his emotions after a girl he really liked ran away, and went into porn.

My wife and I can't get into porn because we simply won't do what she did, and is doing.

So Jeff, you are correct, we aren't willing to 'go all the way'.

To get into this business, you simply have to fuck anyone and everyone who comes along and offers you money.

You have to fuck studio heads, directors, producers, and put your picture on a 'talent' agency website so that anyone with a grand can 'book' you.

You can't pick and choose who you fuck, or what projects you take.

If you are a 'model' listed with an agency, you aren't going to be a model for that agency for long if you turn down projects.

Yeah, I know you all tried to tell me this, but hey, I was angry, and anger often makes you say and do stupid things.

So, she wins...

And...all of you win...

...this stupid debate.

No, I'm not going to tell you who she is, because she is going to become a star, and won't ever call us again anyways.

Plus, it wouldn't be fair of me to 'out' her as being involved with us.

Christ, after 700 views and counting, she's probably read this anyway.

So I guess it's finally time to say 'goodbye'.

This was a silly, misguided post, and a silly idea.

Kinda sucks that we won't get to show you all what we can do though. I sure would have loved saying, "see, I told you so."

But, we just aren't willing to pay the price.

My wife is not a 'whore', as the girl we cared so much for is now proud to call herself.

My wife is a beautiful, kind, gentle, intelligent creature who just happens to love sex, and is truly bisexual.

Does that make her stupid, because she doesn't get paid?

Rose Calhoun thinks so.

Maybe many of you feel the same.

Anyway, sorry about the insults to all the studio heads and agents and producers and porn viewers.

You guys are simply giving the girl we liked a job, a job she obviously wants to do, the way she wants to do it.

I guess I took my anger out on you, and I shouldn't have.

Funny how a guy like me can fuck 300 girls, with his wife, not by paying them- but instead, by having real relationships with them, and treating them well-

-and then this one girl, this one stupid girl...comes along...and makes him lose his mind.

Anyway, I think I have my mind back now.

Have a happy time doing what you guys love to do.

You do it well.

Apologies to all I have offended.

It's time to get back to my normal life...which...hey...ain't really that boring when you compare it to most...

...it just won't have 'that girl' in it, I guess.

We give up.

Adios.

Michael

Its about fucking time. Glad its finally over.

After all that... we should know who the girl is that pissed them off!

Tell you what.

Send this thread to some of the 'new girls' at the top 10 major porn studios. If 'that girl' decides to respond to it, it's up to her.

We aren't going to 'out' her, it wouldn't be fair.

But if you do happen to find her, which may be a longshot, please tell her this:

Please tell her we said, "Yeah, we're really fucking pissed off at you. What we just watched you do in your latest release was PAINFUL and TRAUMATIZING and SCARED THE FUCK out of us. However, underneath it all, both of us are truly CONCERNED about you, and we would really like to know that you are okay."

"...and by the way- no- Mike doesn't 'think he's perfect', as you said when you screamed at him in his Jeep."

"In fact, he is still stupid enough to think you are a wonderful girl, will eventually make the right choices, and are NOT meant to be HURT and obviously IN PAIN like you were in your latest release."

"Please- don't try to tell us that didn't hurt."

Good luck in your 'investigative reporting'.

Michael

Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Tony...

Our problem, we guess, is that we give a shit.

Take a look at Scott Fayner's article on lukeford.com, titled "Disturbing, ain't it?"

His point of view on that particular girl in his article is very similar to ours with the one we are talking about.

This isn't the same industry that it was just a few years ago.

A few years ago, girls got paid to have sex on camera, and you could tell that many of them actually enjoyed it.

Tons of girls got together with a couple of guys in scenes, and people were SMILING, and truly ENJOYING having sex on camera.

Man do we miss that.

But now...

...everything is about PAIN.

I don't get off on pain. Neither does my wife.

I have talked privately with a number of girls in the industry.

These girls are now on pain-killers, and have had to go to the hospital after their shoots, in which the things they did made them bleed from both the vagina and the anus.

But- did they 'agree' to do the things they did on camera?

Yes, they did.

Are they self-proclaimed 'whores'?

Yes, they are.

However, one thing that is missing here in these girls lives is the notion of FUTURE.

When you are raised without a father, in a fucked up home, with a mom that ain't there, and moms' boyfriend, who uses you, at ages 11 to 15 as a blow-up fuck doll- you just don't give a shit.

In fact, mom may be behind pimping you out, since she secretly hates the fact that you are now, as a teenager, pretty than she is.

Thus, engaging in rough sex, that is, sex rough enough to send you to the hospital- is no big deal.

It's a suicide. It's a slow, extended suicide.

If the porn climate was not so rough, and we were still watching movies where threesomes were cool, that is, with two girls and a guy, I probably wouldn't be complaining.

But it seems that all the men want today is to watch a girl get hurt.

It's like watching prison sex, where dudes gang up on the new guy to make him their bitch, and try their best to make him bleed.

However, since that is the demand, the industry is simply responding to that demand.

Hell, maybe some of you people in here even hate what you have to do, and are simply doing it to put food on your plates.

Maybe some of you wish you could return to simply shooting sex on camera- sex that doesn't damage people for life, like Scott Fayner so eloquently wrote about.

A lot of the pressure to make 'Rape and Hate Porn', as I like to call it, obviously comes from societal conditions.

Let's face it- unless you happen to live on the coast of California, in a rich area, like we do...

...chicks are FAT. FAT, FAT, FUCKING FAT.

So when you finally find that one skinny, in shape white girl, it's like finding a needle in a haystack. And usually, she's underage.

It didn't used to be that way.

Problem is, since there are so few skinny, hot lookin white girls- unless you live on the coast- that when you find that needle in a haystack...she's already been offered money for sex, drugs for sex, and exposed to coke and speed and everything else- by age 14.

That's fucked up, but that's the way things are.

Therefore, there are an overabundance of guys out there, who are not as fat as the girls, who are stuck being the 'leftover salmon' after the mating season.

Guys get pissed off when the only hot chick they meet turns out to be a whore, because, by age 14, she has already been offered things girls where never offered just a few years ago.

So, what do the 'leftover salmon' do?

They go to the internet, and order movies in which a girl gets 'violated' on camera. And they enjoy watching her in pain, because it helps to sooth their anger.

If girls weren't so fucking fat all across the country, I'm positive this trend wouldn't be happening.

Since there would be a better selection of skinny, hot looking white girls, there we be a lot less anger, and a lot less demand for violent porn.

The other issue is the drugs people are doing today.

The popular drugs of today simply enhance the anger already felt by so many of today's fatherless, nearly motherless, young women.

These drugs simply accelerate the extended suicides.

Like I said in my previous post, I can't really be mad at people in the industry for what is going on today. They are simply responding to demand.

However, when you watch someone you know go into this, and you witness what we just witnessed on dvd-

-a good friend of ours TRYING to look like she's excited, TRYING to look like she's enjoying what's happening to her-

-and then you catch those moments in between, where her face turns to HORROR, and she is obviously TERRIFIED and you can see she realizes she is in WAY OVER HER HEAD-

...when you witness this, it leaves you traumatized.

Before, we were just heartbroken.

Now, we are truly traumatized.

And scared for her.

Very, very scared.

This industry is going to kill someone before there is a correction.

Mark my words- that is what will have to happen.

Someone is going to DIE, on camera, while shooting one of these HORRIFIC scenes.

That is what it will take.

And when the tape is played back, before we see the poor girl pass out, and begin to bleed to death on the set...

...we will hear her screaming, "Oh yes, oh yes, I love it, give it to me"...and acting as though she really enjoys it.

From that, we will all conclude that she wasn't in pain, that she was consenting, and that none of us should feel any guilt at all about her on camera death.

Like it or not, this is where all of this new wave of 'Rape and Hate Porn' is going...unless the industry decides to regulate itself, and dodge the bullet.

Sadly, I don't see that happening.

So, Tony, I guess those are our 'problems'.

I do thank you for not censoring my posts on here, and I think you are a strong advocate of free speech, and I applaud you for that.

We are heartbroken, we are scared, and we are sad.

Like I said before, my anger caused me to act irrationally, creating this ad, and almost dragging my wife into this horrible, horrible industry. Thank God I woke up.

We are seriously thinking about never watching porn again, or at least waiting until happiness and joy return to it.

I guess I'm old school, and I guess my wife is too.

You are free to tell me I am full of shit, or crazy, but like I said...

...for this current trend to change...

...someone is going to have to die.

And we pray, to a God that is merciful and kind, that the victim is not the girl we used to know.

I still have a heart, and I intend to keep it.

Hate me as you will.

Michael

When you fall off the soapbox, I hope you hit your head.

Its hard to even shovel through your post for any rhyme or reason. Your stating the obvious and the fact that your a narcissistic maniac only makes it more entertaining.

Not all porn is 'hate porn' as you so aptly put it; and when I said 'hateplow' I was quoting out of context a erik everyhard term. Check out studio A from Andrew Blake. I am not a fan, but it might be up your alley. And the women are gorgeous; albeit the action is far from hardcore.


As for death on camera, more people will die from football this year than porn, since I think the death toll for fucking on camera sits at ZERO. Logically, in your PC world of kindness, you REALLY should go picket/boycott the entire world of football for promoting violence, injury, death, and paralysis.


Everyone in porn is a victim,women outside of LA are fat, porn used to be better. OKAY!!! We got the gist of your amazing hypothesis on porn; the question is, did you change your mind about making porn or did your wife do it FOR you; seems you just lost the backbone of your initial post with your brags and boasts when she lost interest in the subject. Grow some balls and make the porn you claim you can do so well....

I edited this post because it contained a really good idea...

...an idea that we are going to run with.

Tell you more later.

Michael

porn is not about hurting girls, i'm against that but it is all about degrading girls but only in a good way!

Ladies and gentlemen...

We have just been offered...

Are you sitting down for this?

A TELEVISION SHOW.

Yes, you heard it right.

A TELEVISION SHOW.

I am not at liberty to discuss this right now, but this is truly amazing.

We still haven't signed a contract yet, so we are still listening to offers.

Wow.

Maybe this ad did work after all?

We'll see.

When you all find out out who made the offer, you will be stunned.

Stay tuned.

Maybe dreams really do come true.

Like I said...we are still listening to offers, so if you've got a better one...let it rip.

We are in shock.

Michael

No one cares.If you were offered a show,sign the damn contract and proves us wrong.

How do I kill this thread?

Can anyone tell me?

Does Tony have to do it?

Tony, can you please kill this thread?

Michael

I just wanted to give you props for finding your wife when you were 26 and she was 16 (?) She never really had a chance to experience adult life outside of you. What a great idea for a TV show. You use a chick for ten years to get laid, then you use her to TRY to get into porn, now you CLAIM that you are getting a TV show. I am entirely convinced that this girl of yours can't read or type OR really isn't too thrilled about your posts here. Prove me wrong, let her grab the keyboard. I know, she is Mrs. Business Degree Success story and thinks we all hate women. Actually we dislike you Michael Mike Molester of Minors; this has nothing to do with your imaginary wife (does she even exist?) How does a 26 yr old even meet a 16 year old? Where you one of those retards who work at the mall movie theate or possibly you cruised around in a lowrider at high schools offering to do a keg party at your 'pad.' Maybe you just met her and 'fell in love' with the idea that she had no fucking adult mind yet and you could ride her for a couple of years before she figures you out. I think your posts here show you for the ego moron, porno wannabe that you really are.

THUS< YOU WANT THIS POST CLOSED SO THAT YOUR LITTLE LIFE CAN GO ON WITHOUT BEING REMINDED OF WHAT A LOSER YOU ARE>

See you in AOL teen chat; I am sure you will be there fishing for more of the '300' girls you have screwed. First you show the pic of your girl, then you slip em the GHB while they ride around in your convertible 89' Chrysler Le Baron.

The Tv show he will be on is called "Cops".I saw the preview the other night.It's a 60 min. special about internet predators who lure minors into a life of sexual abuse.

Ah...

So this is what it's really about...

You people think I 'took advantage' of some stupid, naive 16 year old girl...

Interesting.

Well, none of you could be further from the truth.

I think what you are really suffering from is the shock of learning that someone found us interesting, and provocative.

Forgive me Jeff, but isn't being 'interesting' and 'provacative' what sells tapes and dvds?

Now you are all backtracking, trying to create reasons why you ignored me in the first place, now that someone sees potential for a very interesting story, about two very interesting people.

What you will learn, when our show debuts, is that your preconceived notions about Mike 'taking advantage' of his wife as a teen- are all completely wrong.

Of course, we, and the producers of the show, will look forward to garnering ratings from you, which will get the advertising paid, and give us nice hefty checks.

To take all of your notions of me being some pervert who abuses his wife, and who 'molests' people...and to dump those ideas in the trash where they belong...

...I look forward to this.

The key to this post was getting interest, in order to get a job.

This goal was achieved.

What YOU people may have learned is that you let your egos get in the way of signing a very lucrative business opportunity.

It's ironic as Hell, and I think you just have to laugh.

A guy who runs a company whose motto is 'Whores Degraded Daily' is calling me, a guy in a happy 9 year marriage, who doesn't cheat on his wife, or 'abuse' her in any way...

This guy is calling me a pervert, and a molester.

Wow.

I guess that's just what happens when your ego gets in the way of seizing a great business opportunity.

You come up with excuses like that, I guess.

Anyways, I guess no one is going to close this thread, even though it isn't useful anymore.

Hell, I don't know, maybe it's a good read.

It sure is dramatic.

You've got lost love, a man struggling to make sense of things and coming to terms with them, anger, humor, sadness, heck, I guess it could make an interesting play too...

I'm not 'ashamed' of this thread at all.

They can leave it on here until I run for office in the later 2000's, if they want.

What it shows is a man learning things by asking questions, and learning to define his direction by the responses he gets.

We never learn, unless we ask. Asking can make us look foolish. Looking foolish helps us grow.

If all goes well, and we don't get stiffed in the negotiations, we should be able to make an announcement soon.

However, like I said a million times, a thing done wrong simply isn't worth doing.

Thus, if the TV show contract isn't what we want, we will walk away from that too.

We will be 'pimped' by no one.

If it does go through, and you get to hear my wife speak, which all of you will tune in to hear...

...you will have your preconceived notions turned on their heads.

No one who meets us, and gets to know us, thinks of us, or me, the way you guys do.

But hey, I guess coming up with excuses after the fact is human.

In reality, you let us get away, and that bothers you.

When this thread grows to over 2,000 views, maybe you'll see what I mean. We could have made you some money, ya dorks...you just let your anger at me, for refusing to be 'pimped'- get in the way.

Michael

You don't answer questions; I re-read all your posts and did not notice before the age discrepancy in your tales. Your a disgusting yetti who fucked a kid and is STILL riding her for your own means. The reason your post has gotten so much attention is because you are a fucking tool.


Its creepy how into yourself you are. You use third person references and really have created quite a mysterious alternate reality that from your posts appears to be in your mind and not based in any real terms. Name the porn chick, name the studios that were interested in your wife, name the TV show. You can't, you won't; you are a schizo and have some extreme delusions of grandeur. Plus you fucked a 16 year old when you where 26. So, you sir making judgements on porn and those that watch it is quite humorous. And still, no remarks from your 'wife.' The one that doesn't exist, the one that probably isn't allowed to read your emails, the one that has been controlled by you since her teen years. I feel sorry for her for being in a relationship with a mongrel shitface like you.

She would be well advised to leave you if only she really existed...

And on another note; please stop double spacing your posts. Its annoying.

Note to P Knuckle:

Age of Consent, State of Nevada: 16.

Age of Legal Marriage, State of Nevada, with written consent from Parent or Guardian: 16.

Legal marriage, legal sex.

You're just jealous, that's all.

Interesting law in Nevada, though.

You're allowed to sleep with a 16 year old- with consent- and can marry one with a parent or guardians consent, but you aren't allowed to video or photograph them in 'sexual situations' until they are 18.

No, we never broke the law. I bet that just burns your ass, don't it?

Concerning my wife, and why she doesn't write on here: it's because she doesn't want to.

After the first offers of 'triple facials, but no swallowing', and 'bukkakes with black men'- she told me she had "no interest at all" in writing to people who obviously need to get off by watching a woman get hurt, degraded, or worse.

If you disagree with her not wanting to talk to all of you, think about those 'offers' we got when we first came on here.

We told you what we wanted, and didn't want.

Yet, it wasn't good enough, rough enough, or nasty enough for all of you.

From her point of view, all of you are so jaded, so far removed from real feelings and emotions, that having normal sexual relations bore you. That is, if you can have them without having to pay for them, or using coke and Viagra to get it up.

Here is a direct quote from my wife:

"These guys don't want to watch just a girl having sex. They don't want a girl getting into the business who isn't a whore and won't sell herself to anyone or fuck everyone in the world to get a part. I'm not doing that. Having sex on camera is one thing, being a prostitute is another. Let them watch their prostitutes on camera and try to forget the realities of their lives- STD's, broken relationships, drugs, and alcoholism. If they don't want to see a girl who still has morals, fine. I like sex, I like girls too, but I won't be a prostitute. Leave that to the girls at Vivid with Steve Hirsch, or that guy that runs World Modeling. I'm not getting pimped out so I have to go out with Sinbad. Fuck that man. I wathched that Howard Stern show too, you know."

So now, you can take it up with her...my abused, out of control, mislead, brainwashed wife.

LOL.

We have made up nothing. We never do. You just hate what we've told you because it seems too good to be true.

That's fine. We've been told that before.

As far as naming people, I'll be happy to name the producers of the TV show as soon as it goes through.

But as for the girl we knew, that we won't do.

She may not want to say she knew us. She may not want to be identified. She may want to get out of the business and not want people to know who she is. And most importantly, she didn't ask to be identified. As much as we hate what she's doing, she didn't ask to be revealed.

Plus, with all the attention this post is getting, we'd only be giving her free advertising, doing something we disagree with, if we told you who she was. We don't plan on supporting her behavior. We also don't plan on 'getting in' to get her back, or save her. It's her life, and her decision.

Now, why don't you go watch some Whores Get Degraded, and stop calling me names.

My wife thinks that's funny.

She just threw a wad of paper at me, and told me to stop picking on you.

I'm going to be a good abuser/molester/monster- and do what she says.

See ya.

Michael

this guy sounds like hamilton steele. look how big of a porn star he is.

i just now found this thread and must

say when read in one sitting,

is funnier than shit. The guys a fake,

the wife is fake... i could care less.

if they wanna come shoot some nice couple

content trade for free im all for it but shes gonna have

to get down and dirty if she thinks she could have ever

been a porn star of even a smidgeon of jennas ilk.

As it is you do have to pay dues. Kiss ups like im sure you are in real life get it in one way or another karma wise... take your TV show and go have fun. I've been on Tv almost a dozen times in my life and its no big deal,(NO not on COPS haha) in fact its just porn with better equipment. so put up or shut up OC. sucks anyway. go shop or something.
(christ even I got tired of trying to double space that crap.. later.........not

Wow.

We are found out.

Yes, it's true.

I am a fake, and my wife is a fake.

Can we kill this thread now?

Tony?

Help?

Michael

yes, let her take the Bukkake offer that will determine if she has what it takes to be in the business, and let her husband be the last to jizz.

I'm almost ready to announce the documentary that will be shot on us, in which my wife and I will STAR.

Negotiations are going very well.

Stay tuned. We should start shooting in October, and it will include our entire lives.

It is being shot by an award winning, well known filmmaker too, which is fantastic. See, I wasn't lying. Someone really likes us.

You guys will like us too, even though you act like you hate us, when you finally meet us in your dvd player.

I should make an announcement soon, and if all goes well, y'all will get to know us by Christmas.

Whatever happened to this dumb piece of shit?

I think he finally fulfilled his destiny and killed himself.

I drove him crazy enough to leave us the fuck alone. WOOHOO he's gone.

its not bad because I dont think that's possible. LOL

He got lonely because his blow-up doll,I mean "his hot wife" is no more.
www.exquisitemenu.com

Either that or his mommy grounded him from the computer.

TV star for one night in a documentary. Ooooo.

Completely delusional.

Okay, look...this stupid thread needs to die.

This post was created a long, long time ago by me...

...and I was completely wrong.

I don't want to go into the porn industry- ever.

My wife doesn't want to go into the porn industry- ever.

The risk of becoming infected with the following diseases have led my wife and I to realize that the porn industry is NOT SAFE.

STD'S YOU CAN GET FROM DOING PORN MOVIES, SINCE THEY ONLY TEST ONCE A MONTH:

AIDS - Which can KILL YOU

HERPES - Which can make you break out in nasty, bleeding, pus-filled sores each month, even if you spend a lot of money on medication, and can be transmitted to your CHILD through BIRTH and can also be transmitted WITHOUT ANY VISIBLE SORES...

SYPHILLIS - Which can cause you to go insane, lose your hair, and KILL YOU

CHLAMYDIA - Which can make both men and women STERILE...

HEPATITIS C - Which Pam Anderson has. Yes, Hep C can A) Kill You and B) Cause you to lose your liver. By the way, if it's fucked up, YOU MAY SOON NEED A NEW ONE!

Since I haven't noticed liver donors lining the streets lately, it might be a good idea NOT TO GET HEPATITIS C.

Should I go on?

Anyway, this stupid thread needs to die.

If you have read this thread, you have witnessed a man LEARNING something important BEFORE he jumped into something that could have really, really hurt him, and his wife.

Thank God I learned.

Notice how many of these folks warned me before I jumped into this...

Exactly NONE.

This thread needs to die...for real...and forever.

If DAY OF SHOOT TESTING with VERIFIABLE RESULTS ever comes along, maybe we'll change our minds.

If you happen to be interested in getting into porn, and you're 18 years old, and female...

Please remember this:

NO ONE IN PORN WILL PAY FOR YOUR MONTHLY PRESCRIPTIONS FOR THE STD YOU GOT ON A PORN SHOOT.

Instead, they will simply 'kick you out' of the industry...

With no benefits...

...and no long term help...

...and they will LAUGH AT YOU on this board.

If you happen to be 18, female, and hot...

Do yourself a favor:

GO TO COLLEGE, AND FIND A CAREER TO GET INTO THAT WON'T FUCK YOU UP FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

If you don't believe me...

Young ladies...

Please go to MTV, find the 'True Life' site, and look for the name of this former performer, who now has AIDS, is living HOMELESS in Hawaii, and has NO MEDICAL COVERAGE as a result of getting infected during a shoot on an adult movie...

'Brook Ashley'

'Nuff said.

Thank God I took the time to check this out first.

If you happen to already have an STD, porn may be just fine for you. If not...

Please heed my warning.

Good luck.

The Outsider
(Name created from the title of a fantastic song by a band called 'A Perfect Circle'...hint, hint)

I had nothing to do on a freezing, New York Friday evening in March, and I have read this entire thread. It doesn't seem the Outsider has learned a thing. "Thank God I took the time to check this out first." is his quote. He never checked ANYTHING out. He was 100% sure that Brandon Iron or Steve Holmes or Jules Jordan was going to come beat down his door to shoot him and his wife.

I forget who asked it early in the thread, but the "how much is her rate for a bukkake" was a LEGITIMATE question. If he had no answer, there was no way they should have even considered the jiz biz. Be ready to do all.

Clueless.

damn this dude the outsider, represents 10 different personalities on this board. hes got some good points and shit but he needs to stick to being one person haha

so was there ever a consensus on who the outsider was? i may have missed his unveiling, but if not i've got a decent idea of who he is if people care.

timing and obsessiveness work

Myload
Senior Member


2228 Posts
6/03
Posted - Oct 25 2003 : 09:30:21 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Message Reply w/QuoteDiscomusic.com. I post there as "Outsider". That's my internet alias at every message board I've posted at except this one. As for sex-related websites, I mainly post at this one, though I visit the Yahoo groups from Selena Silver, Victoria Givens, and Amee Donovan.

I found out about this site (ADT) because another regular at Discomusic.com told me about it. I thank him a lot for that.

discomusic.com, he fits the profile of a disco fag.

gracias. it's gotta be him, that's too much to be coincidence.

In my meatholes I talk about how I had quit the board cause i hated outsider to much haha

Thank you Dear Leader for rooting out the imperialist homo-poster, and also for making the sun come up.

First post, but I've been reading the forum for a while, just came across this post (excuse the pun) Don't think that lad Myload is The Outsider though. Have a look at these posts:

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39398&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=1&m=&reply=298119#post298119

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24499&FORUM_ID=6&CAT_ID=3&m=&reply=158867#post158867

and

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40655&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=1&m=&reply=302116#post302116

he speaks about his fiancé and how they're not swingers. Also he's not pompous and doesn't start a new line for every sentence

Sorry for debunking the other guy's detective work.

This thread is funny as fuck though

hey, we've got a confession of guilt. you've also gotta figure the guy turned the outsider into a comical projection of what he thought was cool. he had like 50 different jobs, including teaching college english which was comedy. everything the guy wrote was about the importance of money and education when it's patently obvious he was full of it to those familiar with both. he started out wanting to do porn, probably claimed to be a top-gun pilot, then became the concerned champion of wayward pornsluts.

he was such a constantly-evolving product of fantasy and imagination i don't think you can assume there's any connection to the poster's real life. there aren't that many users between here and adt who post more than once, maybe a few hundred who post as much as either of the accounts did. that's a pretty small community to have more than one "the outsider" posting during the same time frame. plus, it's funny to accuse people of stuff.

wow, reading this thread has almost been a hobby. this outsider, whoever he is, is a fuckhead, and whatever his main goal from starting it, made him and his whore wife look dumb and misinformed. god, this is the first thread i have read that continues from last year. is this common??

thought this was due a bump, if only cos the guy is posting under another name now