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#506130 - 04/07/11 01:01 PM Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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#506131 - 04/07/11 11:41 PM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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It's kind of like the Jerusalem Syndrome. Apparently some just average folks go off the rez, at it were, when they vacation in the Holy Land. They start deciding they're the Messiah, or some such similar kookiness.

I think politics is the same way. Some get in with the best of intentions, only to be corrupted by power or led off down the lunatic fringe path. I'm thinking Jesse might be the latter.
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#506132 - 04/08/11 07:38 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Oddball or not, he is right about the 2 party system ruining the country. I have always wanted to abolish the parties and make individuals and their platforms the focus. The party system has turned into political sport in this country. "my team won the last election nahnahnah" or "my team lost, I am taking my ball and going home"
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#506133 - 04/08/11 09:02 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Political parties do the same as religions; divide, suppress, and ask for your money.

If we are going to do away with the 2 parties, we also need to put a spending cap on elections, and force any entity with a license to broadcast give equal time to the top 5-10 candidates.

I have reservations about whoever comes in second being VP, because that would lead to assassination attempts.

On the state level, same thing, Cap election spending, force equal time.

Jesse is right about voting for any third party. I have done that the last few years. Vote means shit anyway.
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#506134 - 04/08/11 10:37 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Oddball or not, he is right about the 2 party system ruining the country. I have always wanted to abolish the parties and make individuals and their platforms the focus. The party system has turned into political sport in this country. "my team won the last election nahnahnah" or "my team lost, I am taking my ball and going home"




You can't really abolish parties. It's that whole constitutional freedom of association thing. Anyway, it is human nature for those with similar interests and goals to form bonds and coalitions that would soon morph into formal parties. You can't legislate away human nature. Jefferson and Adams had a tussle over the formation of political parties. IMHO, it was one of the few times that Adams had the upper hand in a debate with Jefferson.
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#506135 - 04/08/11 10:51 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Us real lefties have long wanted public financing of campaigns and instant run-off voting. This would give third parties a big enough boost to be viable, while respecting everyone's rights.
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#506136 - 04/08/11 11:50 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Us real lefties have long wanted public financing




No shit.
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#506137 - 04/08/11 06:19 PM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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I have reservations about whoever comes in second being VP, because that would lead to assassination attempts.




Thus, the Twelfth Amendment.

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#506138 - 04/08/11 10:29 PM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Understood. As I was writing my previous post, I thought about forcing the #2 spot on whoever won as part of radical changes, then realized death happens.
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#506139 - 04/08/11 10:57 PM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Political parties do the same as religions; divide, suppress, and ask for your money.

If we are going to do away with the 2 parties, we also need to put a spending cap on elections, and force any entity with a license to broadcast give equal time to the top 5-10 candidates.





Forcing equal time. Now that's what freedom's all about.
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#506140 - 04/08/11 11:05 PM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Us real lefties have long wanted public financing of campaigns and instant run-off voting. This would give third parties a big enough boost to be viable, while respecting everyone's rights.




Yeah, lefties love spending other folks money. If a third party needs government financing to prop itself up, it doesn't deserve propping up.

Keep in mind that you're talking about "respecting everyone's rights". So that means not just the Greens and the Socialists, but it also includes the Tea Party, the Constitution Party, the various WP and NS groups. I'm sure when someone starts getting gov funds for a Stamp Out the Niggers platform, your pie in the sky hopes for everyone's rights being respected will go out the window.
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#506141 - 04/08/11 11:17 PM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Tritone or Jigaloo is going to think that's a real thing if you're not careful, Barry....
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#506142 - 04/09/11 07:25 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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The Greens?

Maybe they could start a Stamp Out White Folks platform.

I've always wondered this. Are there any slurs for white folks that are effective? I mean, I understand why "nigger" and "spic" and "kike" are offensive. They just sound ugly, with the "g" and "k" sounds. But "honky" and "cracker" and "blue eyed devil" have no pizzazz to them. I wouldn't be offended being called any of those things.
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#506143 - 04/09/11 07:42 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Good luck going door to door getting enough signatures for your KKK party, Barry.
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#506144 - 04/09/11 09:21 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Good luck going door to door getting enough signatures for your KKK party, Barry.




Yeah. Cuz I said I was starting a KKK party. Easier to pull nonsense out of your ass than it is to actually answer my point. Fuckin douche.
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#506145 - 04/09/11 09:27 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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Good luck going door to door getting enough signatures for your KKK party, Barry.




And just for fun, why would anyone need to go door to door in your utopia? They'll get government funds. No need to actually win, no need to actually even want to win. You'll be getting gov cash, with no oversight on how it's spent. You know, so everyone's rights and feelings are protected. Especially homeless railroad bums that can't go near schools. Like you.
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#506146 - 04/09/11 09:35 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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I did answer your point. Extremists are not likely to get enough support to get on the ballot, therefore no public financing. Tea Party? Probably, and that would be good. Instead of pulling the R's hard right, they would have their own platform and candidates. Greens? Maybe, the Dems worked hard to keep them off the ballot here in Ohio. Unfortunately, incumbents make the rules.

As far as spending other people's money, air time should be given as the bulk of financing. There would still be additional donated funds, of course. But I believe cutting corporate influence would actually be cheaper for most people.

The instant run-off works like this - you vote for a first and second choice. If no one has a majority of first choice votes, the top two candidates run-off including second place votes.
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#506147 - 04/09/11 10:24 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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You said nothing about extremists. You said public financing of campaigns to boost third parties. To protect everyone's rights. Who determines who is extreme? You? Your ilk? Me? My ilk? That's the problem when you pitch the rules out the window. Someone always comes along with new ones.

Air time is someone else's money. Forcing radio/ tv/ print to run equal time advertising is stealing money from the owners of that air time. Oh, sure, it's the "people's" airwaves and all that nonsense, but at the end of the day someone is paying for it. But as long as it's not you, you don't care. Which takes us back to spending other people's money.

Here's a better idea. For every left leaning bumper sticker you put on your tent under the bridge, you should be forced to put an equal time sticker to match it. Golly, that'd be fair. Everyone's rights would be protected.

And you're high if you think corporate, or any other type, of influence can be removed. No one follows election financing rules as it is now. Making a bunch of new regs, that will always have loop holes, is just pissing in the wind. But malcontents like you will feel oh, so much better. For a minute. Until you realize that some kids aren't playing by the rules. Wah.
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#506148 - 04/09/11 11:31 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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#506149 - 04/09/11 04:15 PM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship"
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^^^^ So, you're what, 10ish?
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#507497 - 04/26/11 12:44 AM Re: Jesse Ventura: "a 2 party dictatorship" [Re: cqd]
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Parliamentary Forms of Government Work Better. The Founding Fathers Fucked us because they were so in love with George Washington. Head of State doesn't need to also be Head of Government. There is NO FUCKING REASON for there to be an upper house WITHOUT TERM LIMITS. So You put term limits on the Head of State but jack off Senators can stick around and fuck shit up for 90 years. They can be racist jack offs from the south in the 40's and 50's and stay in office until they fucking die in the 21'st Century. GREAT FUCKING SYSTEM. Every Ideal of the founding fathers(even the the support for slavery..) has been corrupted.

I'm leaving this turd ball of a country...

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