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#502469 - 01/10/11 07:15 PM
Re: the forgotten swallow genre. (not "jondra")
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Gag Factor Guru
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Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
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I figure, without any inside info, maybe for each of 2 shoots, $100/mope X 40 mopes = $4k, 1k for the whore, another 2k for set and equipment rental, video crew, and other help, that's $7k X 2 shoots = $14k, then costs to do artwork, make the CD's, distribution, marketing, etc. call it somewhere between $15 - 20k to make a bukake or however you spell the thing. There's just not enough market to make any money there. The market is already flooded with cum guzzling videos, only a few really sick fucks like me demand fresh scenes of a particular genre. I don't know if there will be a Gag Factor 33. Cost is probably similar, since there are 10 scenes, one on one, but 10x production costs. That's a lot of money to recoup before you see any profit. And, you can see free throat fucking from tube sites, and those who want DVD's already have them or have cheaper options. I don't see much coming out from JM anymore, comps, 3 DVD sets, nothing really new and original. Just what can they do that's new? The whores only have 3 holes, they've been defiled every way I can think of. I wish I had some new perversion to post in the Fan Request forum, something like Overstuffed or Fuck Machines. I'll throw down the challenge to everyone to come up with the next new idea for Jeff and Co. I'm just not that creative, but I'll try. 
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#502470 - 01/10/11 08:13 PM
Re: the forgotten swallow genre. (not "jondra")
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 3509
Loc: Pit of Despair
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I've been watching some vintage porn clips and honestly there hasn't been anything new in a very long time. The problem is that too many whores, directors and producers are trying to adhere to a formula of what they think is appealing and all it produces is homogenized boring crap. I'd rather see a chick complaining mid scene and seeing a genuine reaction instead of all the edited and overly staged sex. Most of the porn chicks that I usually jerk off to aren't the model quality fake doll like ones but the less perfect but the ones who seem to respond by reacting to what is happening to them. Rarely do the whores in new content look like they are actually trying to get the stuntcock off but trying to prolong the visual scene...they are going through the motions in order to create a visual that comes off fake and pathetically clinical/orchestrated in its presentation. The bloopers and out takes are hotter than the final product in most cases. Porn has fallen into the same trap as the music industry by "over producing" content so instead of anyone producing something good, everyone is pumping out crap.
Ever watch a scene where the secnondary/fluffer is off to the side or in the far background just working a cock or cocks but the camera is focused on a Chick "performing" and as a viewer you wish the camera would focus on the girl who is just working to keep the other guys hard for when they get a turn with the "star"/center of the camera's focus? You can even see the difference when the other girl becomes the focus and she starts "performing" for the camera. Maybe I'm alone in that assessment but I'd rather see the whore working than see her performing, if that makes sense. I'm even starting to watch more euro porn becasue more of the euro chicks seem to be working to get something finished or someone off but even the euro porn is picking up american porn's bad habits.
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#502471 - 01/10/11 08:17 PM
Re: the forgotten swallow genre. (not "jondra")
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I'd rather see a chick complaining mid scene and seeing a genuine reaction instead of all the edited and overly staged sex.
Break the fourth wall?
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#502474 - 01/10/11 09:48 PM
Re: the forgotten swallow genre. (not "jondra")
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/18/08
Posts: 105
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I don't think there's much of a market for the swallow stuff now that the shock has worn off. I mean, once you've made an omelette out of cum, there's not much more you can do with it. On to the next shock value item, rinse, repeat.
About euro porn, I think the appeal is that they still look like people fucking, not people performing routines for a travelling circus side show.
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#502476 - 01/11/11 12:01 AM
Re: the forgotten swallow genre. (not "jondra")
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 141
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I agree it feels so empty, staged, and plastic to see the routine...clumsy effort on deep throating, 2 hand twisty-tunry bj with pre-req 'your cock is so big' banter, and lest we forget the 'gunk gunk gunk,' then play with spit. Next!
But to answer why not making companies are making as many swallowing vids as they once did, I have no idea.
Reading your perfect description of these techniques was a true laugh out loud moment. So true of the double hand twisty turny, haha, and I cannot stand the Gunk gunk gunk. I never understood that. Even doing it when the cock is barely going in their mouths.
On the other hand, i felt the desire to go research your own techniques to see where you stand...
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#502477 - 01/11/11 12:44 AM
Re: the forgotten swallow genre. (not "jondra")
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 3509
Loc: Pit of Despair
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If the shot out whores who still look halfway decent would stop doing the assembly line repetitive routines they adhere to then some of them might actually come back into favor and get more work. I'll point to Tory Lane. You see one of her scenes then you know almost verbatim every sound she makes and everything she's going to do in a scene, the only difference is the location, what she's wearing, her hair style and maybe her makeup.
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#502480 - 03/28/11 12:56 AM
What happened to Gokkun
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ADT regular
Registered: 12/04/09
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Why are NO companies even making the once common swallowing vid?
Great question. I have been wondering the same thing for the past year or so. Next to the "DP" genre, gokkun is my favorite. It doesn't seem like you have received an answer yet, unfortunately.
I'm not in the porn business, and don't know the internal variables involved in its functioning, but I would guess:
1) Finding women to swallow copious quantities of male ejaculate, for money, is one of the more difficult casting tasks for a director. Finding a girl to fuck seems relatively easier. That is only a guess though.
Having said this, I'm firmly convinced humans will do anything for money. ANYTHING.
It would be interesting to get a reply from people that actually make these sorts of films (Brandon, Jules Jordan, Mike John, et al) Maybe the films are not profitable, but then why did Jules make 10 of them, Mike John made over 15, and Brandon an equally large amount (including website scenes featuring gokkun.)
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#502481 - 03/28/11 01:00 AM
Re: What happened to Gokkun
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Whoremaster
Registered: 06/16/07
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Loc: Slumberland
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#502482 - 03/29/11 02:53 AM
Re: What happened to Gokkun
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 08/16/06
Posts: 453
Loc: Las Vegas
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Whats the average rate on a "blowbang" anyway? Is it standard bj rate +some amount and then that amount multiplied by number of guys? I mean it cant be too exact.
I dont think the average whore is gonna count the number of guys? Or is one of those things that just varies greatly from one girl to the next? Ive noticed that Brandon Iron wont answer any questions about rates paid, but maybe some other producers could chime in here.
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#502484 - 03/29/11 11:37 AM
Re: What happened to Gokkun
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Elder of Zion
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Registered: 05/06/04
Posts: 5230
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/one liner larry/ Hey, I read it was a hung jury....guess they couldn't find a jury of your peers! whoa, zing! /one liner Larry/
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#502487 - 04/04/11 12:55 AM
Re: What happened to Gokkun
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/30/09
Posts: 7671
Loc: paizuri,pizza,poodles,photo
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how could it be so expensive to get some mopes in one room to throat coat a whore?i think its just laziness on the industry's part.
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#518073 - 05/09/11 08:53 PM
Re: What happened to Gokkun
[Re: Bukkake Summit]
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
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No wonder people pirate porn. That isn't why. It might be a reason people aren't interested in buying porn. But, other than collectors like me who like to have every scene of a specific actress, no one intentionally wastes downloads pirating BAD porn.
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