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#502272 - 01/12/11 12:20 PM
Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
Loc: Dayton
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I didn't read this whole thread.
There are some things being said on MSNBC that upset this liberal.
There's nothing wrong with Palin targeting vulnerable congressional districts.
There's nothing wrong with WalMart selling bullets.
Making it illegal for someone to purchase a gun because he used illegal drugs? I actually heard that stupidity, maybe the Army should have reported his admission of marijuana use during a recruiting interview. Hey, duh, if somebody gets illegal pot, what would they do if they wanted a gun? Follow the law? Gun laws would not stop this type of event.
The sheriff was correct, the general tone on talk radio and much of TV is very hateful. Lots of people crying wolf. But, politics is an ugly game, and the gloves are off. It is wrong, however, to post elected officials' and abortion doctors' home addresses, and family member information, on the internet. Directly advocating and aiding violence is wrong.
This guy is a nut. The best response I saw was from Ted Kennedy's son, who laid part of the blame on a failure to address his mental health issues. I agree, we need to do more to reach out and to help people. Maybe if some parent/school/judge/friend would have insisted upon this guy getting professional help, a tragedy could have been avoided?
The people who are trying to make political points over this try to make political points from everything, it's just their way. I find it entertaining.
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#502273 - 01/12/11 12:26 PM
Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
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How does one convince a paranoid-schizphrenic to get help?
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#502274 - 01/12/11 12:52 PM
Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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He was arrested several times. The police do have the authority to hold someone over a 72 hour period for a mental evaluation. A diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia would have shown up on an FBI background check.
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#502277 - 01/13/11 03:07 PM
Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 4856
Loc: The 4th International
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We have something like that (^^) over here.
If a person is considered a threat to himself or society, he can be admitted to a mental hospital. There's a protocol, which includes a psychiatric evaluation before the 'order' is signed. It is also possible to ask for such an admittance by oneself.
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#502279 - 01/14/11 03:53 PM
Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 4856
Loc: The 4th International
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"Where I believe the conundrum (that's a big fancy word like "mayonaise") would lie is who makes the determination and what are and what are the criteria? I mean just to be brought to the attention of the authorities? Pissed off neighbor/ SO/ coworker? How does the syatem where you are work?"
I'm not familiar with any details, but a pissed off neighbour is by far not enough to get a signed order. (Police won't even be bothered to show up, when receiving such a call.) And every order is subject to court evaluation. I think most people in NL don't even know such a thing exists. Most common use is when people are suffering from acute psychiatric disorders.
Example:
The husband of my father's sister suffered from severe manic episodes. He knew he could pose a threat to himself or his family during these episodes. So, the moment it started, my aunt calls the psychiatrist-on-duty, explains what is happening. They go to the hospital, psychiatrist evaluates him. If he deems it necessary, he advices for admittance. Order is signed. When he was calm enough and medication was adjusted, he was released.
Because guns are not allowed over here (and are not on sale at every corner), people wearing one will be arrested by the police without much ado. That makes a difference as well, I guess.
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#502281 - 01/14/11 11:57 PM
Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 8433
Loc: Great Pacific Northwest
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Quote:
"Where I believe the conundrum (that's a big fancy word like "mayonaise") would lie is who makes the determination and what are and what are the criteria? I mean just to be brought to the attention of the authorities? Pissed off neighbor/ SO/ coworker? How does the syatem where you are work?"
I'm not familiar with any details, but a pissed off neighbour is by far not enough to get a signed order. (Police won't even be bothered to show up, when receiving such a call.) And every order is subject to court evaluation. I think most people in NL don't even know such a thing exists. Most common use is when people are suffering from acute psychiatric disorders.
Example:
The husband of my father's sister suffered from severe manic episodes. He knew he could pose a threat to himself or his family during these episodes. So, the moment it started, my aunt calls the psychiatrist-on-duty, explains what is happening. They go to the hospital, psychiatrist evaluates him. If he deems it necessary, he advices for admittance. Order is signed. When he was calm enough and medication was adjusted, he was released.
Because guns are not allowed over here (and are not on sale at every corner), people wearing one will be arrested by the police without much ado. That makes a difference as well, I guess.
Which is fine when the person in question has enough self awareness to realize that there is aa problem. But what about the person who doesn't, like our Jerad chap? What I'm saying is that the person who knows something is wrong with them is not only more likely to seek out help on their own, but also less likely to act on the "voices", urges, compulsions, whatever, becaause they're able to recognize them as such. I'm curious about the person who thinks everything they're thinking is normal and OK, and who would be less open to evaluation, let alone treatment.
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#502282 - 01/15/11 12:12 AM
Re: Arizona Congresswoman Shot at Public Event
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I'm curious about the person who thinks everything they're thinking is normal and OK, and who would be less open to evaluation, let alone treatment.
Ironically, these folks are just as likely to run for congress as to shoot at them.
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