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Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, but this isn't shit that we do. This is banana republic shit, and we're better than this.

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Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, but this isn't shit that we do. This is banana republic shit, and we're better than this.

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He sounds like a nut. Apparently he left an Interwebs trail on the usual suspects: Facebook, YouTube, et al.


This is either personal or the guy's an utter nutcase. I get shooting at a President (of either party.) He's the HNIC, so to speak. But a congresswoman from Arizona? Maybe Bono-ONE finally snapped.

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in the rest of the world there is politically motivated assassination. in America it's nut-driven, lone wolf weird asses. this stuff happened all the time back in the day. everytime America gets stupid out come the mental cases.

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i wonder if Palin took down the gun-sight map from her site yet, you know the one with the "target" on Giffords.

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i wonder if Palin took down the gun-sight map from her site yet, you know the one with the "target" on Giffords.

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We laugh and scratch and joke but this is very bad mojo. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, but this isn't shit that we do. This is banana republic shit, and we're better than this.

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ha yeah why is it that lunatics always got a "Lee" or a "Wayne" somewhere in their names?

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We laugh and scratch and joke but this is very bad mojo. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, but this isn't shit that we do. This is banana republic shit, and we're better than this.

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The kid definitely looks like a Rush fan.

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We laugh and scratch and joke but this is very bad mojo. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, but this isn't shit that we do. This is banana republic shit, and we're better than this.

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Well, Barry, apparently you're not.

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Worked all day on that one, huh?

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So much better than here. huh
Female Genital Mutilation

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But since its cool to hate America we don't have to talk about how great the porn is over there.

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So go there and die if you like.

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actually the point is that the us taxpayers will be footing the bill for this chicks drool cup amongst other things for an extended period of time. fact

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It's all working toward a second civil war in America, at least that's my opinion, being outside the American news propaganda machine and just feeling the general temperature of the situation.

White/Black, Rich/Poor, it's a situation working toward an inevitable problem. Last I heard the American economy was starting to stabilize though, and that's good, will delay the problem another decade or so. But sooner or later after it's been real shitty for a few years, there will be some sort of ignition event that will make the people rise up and no longer accept what they are told from their leaders.

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No, he gave indications he might be psychotic. And the people who actually knew him said he was a liberal anyway.

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In early June, Lynda Sorenson, 52, had gone back to community college in Tucson in hopes of getting back on the job market. One of her classes was a basic algebra class--and one of her classmates was Jared Loughner, now identified by authorities as the man who killed six people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in a shooting rampage Saturday. Sorenson's e-mails to friends from last summer, provided to the Washington Post, reveal her growing alarm at Loughner's strange and disruptive
behavior in class.


From June 1, the first day of class:
"One day down and nineteen to go. We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I'm not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit. The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon."

From June 10:
"As for me, Thursday means the end to week two of algebra class. It seems to be going by quickly, but then I do have three weeks to go so we'll see how I feel by then. Class isn't dull as we have a seriously disturbed student in the class, and they are trying to figure out how to get rid of him before he does something bad, but on the other hand, until he does something bad, you can't do anything about him. Needless to say, I sit by
the door."

From June 14:
"We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird. I sit by the door with my purse handy. If you see it on the news one night, know that I got out fast..."

The class's instructor, Ben McGahee, said in an interview Sunday that Loughner had been removed from class in its third or fourth week, because of repeated disruptions.

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Civil War won't work. It wouldn't be a simple North v South equation. Too many groups with varying beliefs. Total chaos squashed by the government. We can't even come up with a viable 3rd party to upset the apple cart. No way America is capable of an insurrection. Conan is on TBS, I can't go sharpen the guillotine.

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To be quite honest, if it is ever to happen, I hope it does during my life time. I'd hate to miss seeing it unfold. Same with the 2012 thing. If it is the end of the world, I want a front row seat.

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Ms. Malkin posted this on facebook.

H.R. your last name should be "Fulloshit" !

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you are missing my point, quoting this girl's twitters again, asshole. SOURCE NOT CREDIBLE. where did you go to community college, son? would you rely on those idiots to be reliable character witnesses for you? imagine what they said about your faggoty cowboy hat behind your back.

he'd been tossing around all the same rhetoric of the extreme right, and then shot a democrat. sarah palin even had a map on her website, with the victim's district under cross hairs. where do you think people people are getting the idea that he was influenced by them? he was also a military reject, not your typical "liberal" profile at all. i could give a shit if he read a few books and smoked pot. he was just a frustrated kook, who finally took the bait. you should own up to the fruits of all your shit talking. this is what you people have been asking for, right? you should be happy.

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Styla, you're a fucking idiot. Our society is no better than another? Take a gander to the south of us. I'm not sure about where you live, but it's not a common occurance in my neck o' the woods to wake up every morning reading about how many beheaded bodys were found on the highway just down the road from my house. Maybe your definition of "better" and mine are different.

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Styla, you're a fucking idiot. Our society is no better than another? Take a gander to the south of us. I'm not sure about where you live, but it's not a common occurance in my neck o' the woods to wake up every morning reading about how many beheaded bodys were found on the highway just down the road from my house. Maybe your definition of "better" and mine are different.

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Barry, why do you call me "a fucking idiot", only to arrive at the conclusion that "our definitions of "better" are different"? Because I sure do think our definitions of better are different.

What I grasp from your posts in this thread is that you're seriously disappointed and shocked that this kind of thing happened in your country. I can imagine the 'confusion' and shock as we've had a few incidents over here as well ( example 1, example 2) that shook the nation. I'm of the opinion that it's very wrong to kill people, politicians or otherwise, but I'm not shocked anymore by the things people are capable of. And I'm convinced that for every monstrosity that happens elsewhere in the world, there is something likewise (though maybe on a different scale) happening in my own country (or yours).
This is, more or less, the extent of what I was implying in my earlier post.

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Either side? Neither... just a nut with a shooter.

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3) They treat adults like adults rather than pretending only a government can be the adult.

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I just figure that every few years when Rwanda goes into an orgy of machete whacking and eating each other, nothing similar is going on the First World.

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Flame wars are what keeps this board in existence.

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Actually, I think Free's saying the same thing: Nutjobs spring up everywhere. Would I mind seeing Palin take the hit so a more credible candidate emerges and keeps Obama on his toes? That's an entirely different matter.

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So, what's the story on this Wasilla church? Who, or what, ended up being the culprit?

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3) They treat adults like adults rather than pretending only a government can be the adult.

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I'm not so sure this part applies, if what I've been reading over the last few years is to be believed.

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That's right he meant the shooter didn't receive direct orders from any politician. Good to see your reading comprehension skills aren't as poor as I first thought. Still crappy enough to mistake him for me. So I must assume your jr college education went unfinished.

In fact the shooter got no message from any politico, what so ever. The more that's coming out about this guy the less politically motivated he seems to have been. Looks like the Liberals lose another battle. It's kind of like November all over again, isn't it?

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why is getting into any kind of political discussion with a radical right winger always like stepping in dog shit?

you seem to think that you are winning some kind of debate that occurs only in your fragile imagination. when someone stops talking to you, it doesn't mean that you've "won" the argument. maybe they just find your flailing display of every human neurosis to be distasteful. in fact, i hadn't even read your multiple responses. that's how little i care what you think.

i'm sure you are a brilliant news analyst in the the dream universe that you inhabit. here on earth, you are still just a pitiful social reject trying desperately to get attention on a jerk off board.



here is one for you and jack. maybe you two can hang out and kiss while you rub your dicks together.

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Really? I didn't know they were doing that. That's about the only thing Amsterdam has going for it is the open brothels. Take that away and all you have left is just another European rathole slowly succumbing to Islamic domination.

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why is getting into any kind of political discussion with a radical right winger always like stepping in dog shit?

you seem to think that you are winning some kind of debate that occurs only in your fragile imagination. when someone stops talking to you, it doesn't mean that you've "won" the argument. maybe they just find your flailing display of every human neurosis to be distasteful. in fact, i hadn't even read your multiple responses. that's how little i care what you think.

i'm sure you are a brilliant news analyst in the the dream universe that you inhabit. here on earth, you are still just a pitiful social reject trying desperately to get attention on a jerk off board.



here is one for you and jack. maybe you two can hang out and kiss while you rub your dicks together.

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Even with Tolerance being one of the defining characteristics of the Dutch culture, perhaps they have learned that there is no margin in tolerating intolerance? (Anne Frank house being one of the tourist draws of the town.)
When cultures collide, whether through hearts or steel, they overthrow each other.
They've had more than 5 centuries of practice in that town in dealing with foreign cultures trying to change their ways. I'd not be quick to write down the Amsterdam story just yet, she has her charms.

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LOL it must hurt to be you

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Even with Tolerance being one of the defining characteristics of the Dutch culture, perhaps they have learned that there is no margin in tolerating intolerance? (Anne Frank house being one of the tourist draws of the town.)
When cultures collide, whether through hearts or steel, they overthrow each other.
They've had more than 5 centuries of practice in that town in dealing with foreign cultures trying to change their ways. I'd not be quick to write down the Amsterdam story just yet, she has her charms.

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Yes tolerance is certainly demonstrated by throwing those with opposing view points in jail. Just because you don't like what they're saying doesn't mean they don't have the right to say it.

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[tritone]The congresswoman should have dodged the bullets like she dodges the brothas.[/tritone]

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So Gert Wilders isn't currently fighting for his freedom and freedom of speech? Or do you just dismiss him as a hate criminal out of hand and therefore not attribute what he says to freedom of speech?

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The proposed closing (or minimalization) of the red light district has been a topic for quite some years. It has nothing to do with the moral side of things. It's kind of a 'Free Zone' for people to do what they want. Which means that most brothels are owned and/or operated by criminal organizations (Russian, FYR, Hell's Angels, etc.). Drugs, weapons, false IDs, human trafficking, money laundering and more shady shit run rampant. It's beyond government control and Dutch officials don't handle loss of control easily.
This whole clean-up thing will fade away, as there are too many interests concerned.

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How does one convince a paranoid-schizphrenic to get help?

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How does one convince a paranoid-schizphrenic to get help?

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We have something like that (^^) over here.

If a person is considered a threat to himself or society, he can be admitted to a mental hospital. There's a protocol, which includes a psychiatric evaluation before the 'order' is signed. It is also possible to ask for such an admittance by oneself.

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We have something like that (^^) over here.

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"Where I believe the conundrum (that's a big fancy word like "mayonaise") would lie is who makes the determination and what are and what are the criteria? I mean just to be brought to the attention of the authorities? Pissed off neighbor/ SO/ coworker? How does the syatem where you are work?"

I'm not familiar with any details, but a pissed off neighbour is by far not enough to get a signed order. (Police won't even be bothered to show up, when receiving such a call.) And every order is subject to court evaluation. I think most people in NL don't even know such a thing exists. Most common use is when people are suffering from acute psychiatric disorders.

Example:
The husband of my father's sister suffered from severe manic episodes. He knew he could pose a threat to himself or his family during these episodes. So, the moment it started, my aunt calls the psychiatrist-on-duty, explains what is happening. They go to the hospital, psychiatrist evaluates him. If he deems it necessary, he advices for admittance. Order is signed. When he was calm enough and medication was adjusted, he was released.

Because guns are not allowed over here (and are not on sale at every corner), people wearing one will be arrested by the police without much ado. That makes a difference as well, I guess.

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I'm curious about the person who thinks everything they're thinking is normal and OK, and who would be less open to evaluation, let alone treatment.

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I'm curious about the person who thinks everything they're thinking is normal and OK, and who would be less open to evaluation, let alone treatment.

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Ironically, these folks are just as likely to run for congress as to shoot at them.

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