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Ask Freestylah about our standing among other Western democracies before and after the start of the war.



Let the Europeans give out Nobel's to Gore for a movie based on pseudo-science and to Obama for no reason at all such that even he had to get up there and say he didn't deserve it to try to give Bush the finger. It just makes them look bad. And, it doesn't really matter anyway.

If they start running their mouth too much and elect leaders with anti-American policies, they'll be hanging themselves and they know it.

The rest of your post is just blabbering whining. Yeah, wars are expensive. And yes, they do make extensive use of your military forces... blah blah blah Yes, wars are ugly. But, there's no indication Iraq or Afghanistan ruined this country as you say.

You are in there confusing military strategy with political ideology which is weird. How the war was run was military strategy... Once Bush changed the strategy with The Surge, "potable water" started making it into Baghdad much more easily.

And the thing about the wars being "much of" the deficits. The US has spent about $800 billion on the wars. The national debt is $13 trillion. It's more like the wars have been a "fraction of" the deficits. Given the epidemic levels of spending we do on health care and how much that is obviously the source of the problem, it just seems strange ranting about something that is much less an issue.

Here's a post I did where I was motivated enough to get links awhile back. It's gotta pie chart in there showing where the government's money is going in '11 so you can see how much the government's spending on health care if you want to see. Click

None of what you said is indicative of those wars ruining this country. It affects the mood and the lives of people in the military, but as far as more general affects indicative of this country being ruined? Have teenage pregnancy or high school drop-out rates spiked? Has the war caused a ruinous increase in poverty?

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If what the US has provided the Iraqi people with is called "some kind of stability" then you better stay home the next time and practice a lot more in your own country, before ruining other sovereign states.



If when things started going badly when had thrown up our arms and run with our tail between our legs as you so proudly proclaim is the European ideology, things never would have gotten to the point where they are now. You're not aware of what happened in Afghanistan after the Soviets pulled out in the 80's? But, I'm sure a European could care less if Al Qaeda got all the oil in Al Anbar. Hell, Hitler could invade Czechoslavakia and the Europeans wouldn't have done anything.