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#499911 - 11/03/10 09:36 PM
Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 1011
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Yeah, the last time Republicans got nearly as much power as the Democrats had, it ended in a shellacking too. But, at least the Republicans were able to hold on for 6 years. The very first damn election after Democrats established their dominance, they were smacked.
So Obama gets up there and says it's not a statement on his agenda. Come on shit-head. You've done two important bills in the last two years. Both were terribly unpopular.
Even Liberals think Obamacare is terribly flawed, only they excuse Congressional Democrats' incompetence by saying historically it was necessary. Like you couldn't have taken the necessary step in an intelligent way rather than use every bit of political capital you could muster to fight for the public option, which failed.
And, the stimulus bills. You spent almost another trillion dollars on a credit card, a lot of it cherry-picking specific individuals who you were going to hand free money too. The reports come back and they're loaded with complete bullshit. All these purchasing a lawn mower for $40K in Ohio was supposed to have saved five jobs. Polls show that the vast majority of Americans don't think that extravagant stimulus bill created any jobs at all.
Then you also did financial reform. Reading in investment communities, it seems like a lot of the more popular money managers think it did some good. Didn't go nearly as far as it should have because Washington is a bunch of pussies these days just trying to figure out how to fund their next campaign. But what it did do is supposedly supposed to help. Thing is, the American people don't understand that shit anyway. We've got no idea what happened in that debate.
So, it has absolutely nothing to with your agenda. Fucking idiot. You did two landmark things, and they were both hated. But, it has nothing to do with your agenda...
My political opinions are pretty moderate. Those political quizzes you can take on the internet, I end up as center-right. More towards the center towards than the right. According to the quizzes a lot of people who end up there actually consider themselves Democrats.
But, there's no way in hell I'm considering myself a Democrat. If you look at the political parties not based on the ideologies they evolved out of, but as simply institutions that have their own processes and results, the Democratic party's got its head up its ass. Things like electing a man leader of the free world whose only federal government experience was 2 years as the junior Senator from Illinois. And, his only executive experience was an assignment doling out money to radical educational groups under the auspices of a man who had formerly bombed the US Capitol Building. Come on.
You Democrats are a bunch of fucking idiots.
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#499912 - 11/03/10 10:22 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 7602
Loc: a site known for its tolerance...
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nothing will change. The Tea party thing is all a ruse, just like the hope and change thing was.
I found some great conservative stuff on YT recently, but those guys will always get drowned out by the jesus lovers. Your country is doomed no matter who runs it .Go back to sleep.
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#499913 - 11/03/10 11:25 PM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Whoremaster
Registered: 06/16/07
Posts: 2512
Loc: Slumberland
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Those political quizzes you can take on the internet...
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#499914 - 11/04/10 12:53 AM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
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Your country is doomed no matter who runs it .Go back to sleep.
You're a Canuck? Last time I talked to a Canuck he was saying there's like one day a year you guys commonly get together and celebrate how you burned the White House way back in 1812. Good for you guys. Keep celebrating. It's about all you've ever accomplished.
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Those political quizzes you can take on the internet...
It's not like I was trying to teach myself Constitutional theory... 
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#499916 - 11/04/10 05:55 AM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
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The real win for the Republicans isn't the House. It's the pickup of all the Governorships and State Legislatures.
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#499917 - 11/04/10 07:39 PM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/11/06
Posts: 5287
Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
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Someone better at least repeal the portion of the financial reform bill requiring a 1099 tax form for every cash transaction over $600. It's going to be a nightmare for small businesses. It's basically in there to keep people from cashing in their U.S. dollars for gold as the Democrats continue to devalue the dollar.
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#499918 - 11/04/10 07:40 PM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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The very first damn election after Democrats established their dominance, they were smacked.
I don’t want to interrupt your tirade...the dems were hardly dominate...if that was the case all of the presidents agenda would have been steamrolled through….anything and everything.
The fun part is to see your side in the next two years….or where they can steer the country during that time period…
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#499919 - 11/05/10 06:07 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
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Canadians invented insulin. Light bulbs. The electron microscope. Voice transmission over radio.
You realize the largest industry in Canada is Forestry. Think about that for a second, Forestry.
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Is this your first election or something? This kind of "smacking" regularly happens in mid-term elections no matter who is in power.
No, actually you have to go back over 60 years to get a turn over in the House greater than the 60 plus maybe a couple the Republicans just got. Have to go back to 1948. The next biggest behind the one we just got was the Republican Revolution in '94, when the Republicans got 52. This was a shellacking of historic proportions!
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I don’t want to interrupt your tirade...the dems were hardly dominate...if that was the case all of the presidents agenda would have been steamrolled through….anything and everything.
Just like a fucking Democrat, fucking stupid. You guys had the presidency, the House, and a filibuster-proof Senate and you're still whining about not having enough power... No party is going to get that much power for the next 50 years, maybe longer, you could have done whatever you wanted without a single Republican vote for a year, but were fucking up so bad you lost a seat in the most iconically blue-booded state in the nation, and needed one, just one Republican vote, but it still wasn't enough to get what you wanted done... 
And, you know you spent way too much of that time fighting for the public option, and it failed. Because it was a stupid fucking idea, just like the Democrats behave.
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The fun part is to see your side in the next two years….or where they can steer the country during that time period…
Stupid fucking Democrats. We are tactically positioned perfectly for '12. You can't do a damn thing without us because we got the House. But, you guys got the Presidency and the Senate. So, as Obama continues to demonstrate his incompetency it will be all the Democrats fault, as it should be. Be fucking stupid about it and deny it all you want, but you know what will happen in '12!
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#499920 - 11/05/10 11:30 AM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
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Canadians claim they burned the White House, but they didn't. It was the British Army. The were no Canadians in the British regiments that attacked Washington and later Baltimore. Those regiments sailed directly from Britain to Bermuda, where they were garrisoned for several months. At that point they sailed directly from Bermuda to the Chesapeake and marched on Washington. After they burned Washington, they got back on their ships and sailed to Baltimore. When the bombardment of Baltimore failed, they sailed from the Chesapeake directly back to Britain.
There were no fucking dumbass Canadians involved in the attacks on Washington and Baltimore. None. Not one. Stupid fucking Canucks.
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#499921 - 11/05/10 11:34 AM
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Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
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Your country is doomed no matter who runs it .Go back to sleep.
The demise of the United States has been predicted many times. We're still here and we aren't going anywhere.
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#499922 - 11/05/10 11:50 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
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I thought it was done under the orders of a Canadian military official.
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#499923 - 11/05/10 02:13 PM
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Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
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I thought it was done under the orders of a Canadian military official.
I seriously doubt that any Canadian was giving orders of any kind to the British Army or directing the British Army's strategic movements.
The Canadian military at the time consisted of some militia that the British treated like a red-headed stepchild. Much like the current Canadian military.
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#499924 - 11/05/10 02:23 PM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
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I think the reason people think that is because the whole story involves a military officer in one of the Canadian territories.
Canada wasn't a country at that point so you're right.
It is a widely believed myth.
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#499926 - 11/05/10 05:56 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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I don't know what the US's largest industry is, but the practice of "forestry" was developed in the US, about 70 miles from me, on the Biltmore Estate.
There is nothing wrong with forestry, because foresters gotta eat.
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#499927 - 11/05/10 06:36 PM
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Anonymous
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Stupid fucking Democrats. We are tactically positioned perfectly for '12. You can't do a damn thing without us because we got the House. But, you guys got the Presidency and the Senate. So, as Obama continues to demonstrate his incompetency it will be all the Democrats fault, as it should be. Be fucking stupid about it and deny it all you want, but you know what will happen in '12!
saved in favs....awaiting 2012...for the i told ya so...either way....its a good read... 
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#499928 - 11/05/10 06:53 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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Obama goes without a teleprompter last week and says the R's are "the enemy". This just after reaching out to muslims for reconciliation. Now the House is totally "Red" and the Senate "Blues" are so damned scared by what the voters have said that they won't do a damned thing. Obama is providing no direction, the Congress will do nothing, and nothing will change for two years. Save this post as well, because I agree with Northrup. And finally, I don't think he is Simp/Windsock/Cumalloverher.
It's almost comical if it didn't affect my wallet.
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#499929 - 11/05/10 11:16 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 1011
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What is wrong with forestry? It's a noble business, sir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clPYfaTvHT0
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And what is the largest industry in the US, btw? Fast food?
Never said we've got good food here. A few cities, but for the most part, too young. In Canada, they don't even got fast food for culture. Still get pale and jittery with excitement when a McDonald's comes to town. And, if it's close to the timberlands, all the that much better!
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saved in favs....awaiting 2012...for the i told ya so...either way....its a good read...
See, this is why Democrats are fucking stupid. Republicans know they fucked up for '06 and no chance to fix it by '08. They know they spent too much money. They're aware there are serious problems with why we went to Iraq, just don't think we could leave now that we've started it til it gets to some kind of stability level. But, the Democrats have no idea why they fucked up. All, "yeah well, the economy is bad...", "it's kind of normal to lose a few seats in midterms...". If the Republicans were to fuck up somehow for '12, we'd know it and you wouldn't have anything to hold over our heads because we'd be the ones telling you.
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Obama goes without a teleprompter last week and says the R's are "the enemy".
Not just last week as an accident. That guy's been running around saying "D is for Drive, R is for Reverse!!" for weeks. Now the Rebpulicans gotta go behind closed doors and try to work with the man. Nice job setting it up, Mr. President. Many of Bush's policies didn't work out, but at the very least that guy respected the office with decency. He never went so far so as to characterize all Democrats as incompetent. Obama on the other hand, he's the perennial guy on the street corner hollering at you trying to get you to play the shell game. Will say anything for a vote.
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Now the House is totally "Red" and the Senate "Blues" are so damned scared by what the voters have said that they won't do a damned thing.
I'm more and more convinced the partisan problem we got is the special interests. On the way home, I was listening to NPR talking about how much of the laws the lobbyists have written in recent years. I'm to the point of just wanting to socialize elections. Let the government pay for it. Get the special interests out of there. Maybe if the politicians don't have to be constantly worried about how they'll finance their next election, they'll develop some balls and actually work together to solve problems.
Biggest assholes in American politics today: Click
Plus if you publicly finance the elections, it's actually possible for 3rd parties to start getting in there, so 300,000,000 people don't just have 2 choices.
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#499931 - 11/09/10 08:57 PM
Re: Election '10 - aka "Stupid Fucking Democrats"
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
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Actually, in 2009 only 23% of U.S. oil imports came from Canada. Of course Canada does not give that oil to the United States. They sell it. In other words, a very large part of the Canadian economy consists of revenues from those sales. In that sense, we keep the Canadian economy running. In fact, 80% of all Canadian exports are purchased by the United States. That's how market transactions work. Mutual benefits are achieved; otherwise, those transactions would not happen.
The demise of the United States has been predicted many times, mostly by clueless fucks like Canadians. Yet, we are still here. Canada should hope we don't go anywhere.
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#499932 - 11/10/10 12:46 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
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Good lord you are a moron.
First of all, our largest industry is OIL.
Ha, I knew Forestry's not your largest industry. I just hope posting a link to The Lumberjack Song didn't offend your delicate sensibilities too much. However, it is true that the USA has a button that can blow up the entirety of all of Canada. You do have to be in the military, but you don't even need that high a security clearance level to have access to it.
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Half of the Oil that the US buys is CANADIAN. We keep your fucking country RUNNING.
See, this is why Canadians get smacked around and look stupid. Nobody cares about your stupid country. Nobody is bothered by it. Cut down all the trees and cut all your holes in the ice to go fishing all you want. Nobody cares. But then some of you idiots run around like Canada is important. Just shut up already. Go ice fishing. Cut down some trees. We don't care.
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Not removing the troops from Iraq.
Bunch of stupid shit you said in the rest of your post, but this one seems the most ridiculous. You want a main focus of the US government to be pulling troops out of Iraq? The combat troops have already been withdrawn. The rest of the troops are being transitioned out. How should doing what is already well under way become a main focus of our government?
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I'm not even remotely kidding about any of this. You guys are as good as the next Bosnia. It's just a matter of how bad it's gonna get.
You misunderstand how the American political system works. It's a vibrant, dramatic, frustrating, and messy thing. All the drama is over people concerned about, "holy shit! what if we have to live like the Canadians??!". Nobody's worried about becoming Bosnia...
And BTW, the Queen of England is still the head of state in Canada... 'nuff said.
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#499934 - 11/10/10 05:21 PM
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Registered: 07/15/05
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We won the Iraq war in a cake walk. We crushed their military, deposed the government in power, and Saddam was captured. It was all too easy.
Conservatives operating via ideology can't even run a third world dump like Iraq. Saddam had a better run than they did. Country fell apart under U.S. conservative ideological direction. What a fucking disaster. Damn near ruined this country, too. Still trying to. You would think, after decades, some pragmatism would be allowed to creep into the trickle down dumbasses, but, no.
I don't give a fuck, I'm white, have technical skills, and can pass for Christian. I'll be OK.
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#499935 - 11/11/10 04:22 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
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You retreat, shocked and awed with your head shamefully bowed down, hoping that you will not end up as the laughing stock of this generation.
Nooooo, that's what the cheese-eating surrender monkeys in France and the rest of Europe do. Americans bear down and try to provide some kind of stability for the countries they've conquered.
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Country fell apart under U.S. conservative ideological direction.
I see where you get this. Even Bush has admitted the first few years of the war were mismanaged.
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Damn near ruined this country, too. Still trying to.
But, where the hell do you get this? Do you think the Iraq war caused the current recession or something?
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#499936 - 11/11/10 06:22 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
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But, where the hell do you get this? Do you think the Iraq war caused the current recession or something?
Ask Freestylah about our standing among other Western democracies before and after the start of the war. Look at the huge deficit spending, much of it to support the war. Our Army is still stretched thin and worn out. Bin Laden is still at large, and we have cowered in politically inspired fear instead of insisting on being free. State and Federal services and facilities are being starved for money and maintenance, everything from the Forest Service to bridges falling down. Yet, conservatives continue to want the same type of ideological decision making that couldn't bring potable water to Bagdad to run what used to be the greatest country ever. It's being ruined, I tell you. We will never dig out of the recession by starving Government, which seems to be the conservative way.
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#499937 - 11/11/10 06:31 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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Who cares what douchebag countries think of us? Fuck them in the neck. And fuck you. Starving government? Get fucking real. It's not the taxpayers duty to shield public sector employees from a recession.
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#499938 - 11/11/10 06:43 AM
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Well, clearly they're cutting too many prison guards: Ex-mob boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano caught red-handed with porn in prisonHe's under 23-hour lockdown, but former mob boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano still managed to get his hands on porn in federal jail, officials revealed. The feds got a tip that the ex-Bonanno chief was trying to pass messages through another inmate in a legal-research room at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. "In exchange, Basciano would provide the other inmate with contraband items, such as stamps and pornographic and other DVDs," prosecutor Taryn Merkly said in court papers. Investigators searched the room and found a DVD stashed there and "unauthorized magazines" in Basciano's cell, Merkl said. The DVD was not identified, but sources said it was X-rated. One of the magazines was "Esquire," which is not on Basciano's approved list of reading material. Basciano's commissary privileges were suspended for 30 days and he was moved to the notorious "10 South" terrorist wing at the lockup in Manhattan. In a letter to Judge Nicholas Garaufis, who is presiding over the mobster's upcoming murder and death penalty trial, Basciano called the magazine violation "innocuous." But prosecutors have suggested that Basciano might be secretly communicating with the outside world, claiming he seems to speak in code during visits with his son. Basciano is being held under conditions reserved for terrorists after he was accused of scribbling a "hit list" with the names of the judge, a prosecutor and cooperating witnesses five years ago. Yet federal officials marvel at how his hair is always immaculately groomed and his skin remains mysteriously tanned. He even persuaded the judge to allow prison visits from his ex-wife and mistress on alternating weeks. Defense lawyer George Goltzer said he would respond to the allegations in writing. Link
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#499939 - 11/11/10 06:54 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
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Maybe we just need fewer prison guards connected to mobbed up unions or lazy ass public sector employees to do their jobs rather than sit around and day dream about driving their RV's around the country to stalk fat and ugly college softball players.
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#499940 - 11/11/10 07:03 AM
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Anonymous
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And therein lies the problem: It's always the wrong ones who get the axe. Or the shiv, as the case may be.
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#499942 - 11/15/10 08:55 AM
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Registered: 01/13/07
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Ask Freestylah about our standing among other Western democracies before and after the start of the war.
Let the Europeans give out Nobel's to Gore for a movie based on pseudo-science and to Obama for no reason at all such that even he had to get up there and say he didn't deserve it to try to give Bush the finger. It just makes them look bad. And, it doesn't really matter anyway.
If they start running their mouth too much and elect leaders with anti-American policies, they'll be hanging themselves and they know it.
The rest of your post is just blabbering whining. Yeah, wars are expensive. And yes, they do make extensive use of your military forces... blah blah blah Yes, wars are ugly. But, there's no indication Iraq or Afghanistan ruined this country as you say.
You are in there confusing military strategy with political ideology which is weird. How the war was run was military strategy... Once Bush changed the strategy with The Surge, "potable water" started making it into Baghdad much more easily.
And the thing about the wars being "much of" the deficits. The US has spent about $800 billion on the wars. The national debt is $13 trillion. It's more like the wars have been a "fraction of" the deficits. Given the epidemic levels of spending we do on health care and how much that is obviously the source of the problem, it just seems strange ranting about something that is much less an issue.
Here's a post I did where I was motivated enough to get links awhile back. It's gotta pie chart in there showing where the government's money is going in '11 so you can see how much the government's spending on health care if you want to see. Click
None of what you said is indicative of those wars ruining this country. It affects the mood and the lives of people in the military, but as far as more general affects indicative of this country being ruined? Have teenage pregnancy or high school drop-out rates spiked? Has the war caused a ruinous increase in poverty?
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If what the US has provided the Iraqi people with is called "some kind of stability" then you better stay home the next time and practice a lot more in your own country, before ruining other sovereign states.
If when things started going badly when had thrown up our arms and run with our tail between our legs as you so proudly proclaim is the European ideology, things never would have gotten to the point where they are now. You're not aware of what happened in Afghanistan after the Soviets pulled out in the 80's? But, I'm sure a European could care less if Al Qaeda got all the oil in Al Anbar. Hell, Hitler could invade Czechoslavakia and the Europeans wouldn't have done anything.
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#499944 - 11/17/10 09:49 AM
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Gay For Pay
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I don't give a flying fuck if Al Qaeda has all the oil in the world or not.
See, this has got to be one of the most ignorant comments ever made. Because after Al Qaeda had that much oil, you damn well would care. It's not about the big oil companies who rake in the cash selling that stuff. I could care less what happens to their profit margins. It's about a way of life. Western civilization is entirely dependent on oil. If you didn't have any more access to oil tomorrow, what the hell would you do? How the hell would you get to work? How would your company afford payroll? Most people would end up on the street, destitute. And, if you don't think Al Qaeda would leverage aggressively the power of controlling the oil supply against the West, you are sadly mistaken.
Here's Al Qaeda's stated mission: Click. And, that Caliphate they're talking about? That extends all the way into territories of Spain.
Does it sound far-fetched? Yes. But, if you give Al Qaeda the financial backing so that a billion Arab's foray from poverty into the middle class becomes fighting for Al Qaeda, the mission becomes far more worthwhile in pursuing.
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I'm not claiming anything to be a European ideology. I don't think there's such a thing. What do you mean by "things never would have gotten to the point where they are now."? You mean the lawless state of affairs in both Iraq and Afghanistan?
US combat troops have been pulled out of Iraq because both the US government and the Iraqi believe the Iraqi Army is at the point where they can handle it. Iraqi casualties are now at the lowest point they've been during the entire war and getting better. The situation isn't dire anymore in Iraq. The light at the end of the tunnel has become obvious.
Afghanistan is different. It's horribly unfortunate the US mismanaged the war in Iraq for several years, having to use more resources their for longer periods of time, allowing the Afghanistan insurgents time to rebuild and become more effective. Plus, the rampant curruptuion amongst Afghan leaders makes you wonder if those people are capable of developing a functional country.
But, now that everybody knows there's a trillion dollars worth of minerals under Afghan soil: Click. And, having seen what happened last time Al Qaeda was left to their own devices in that country, you've got to be hard pressed to leave that country now. Especially considering having been able to turn the situation around in Iraq, it bodes well for the chances in Afghanistan.
The thing is, I'm not the least bit anti-Arab. I'd rather see a two-state solution over there. But, if it comes down to needing to choose, I'd have no problem seeing Israel wiped off the planet. But, Al Qaeda is evil and dangerous. If you allow them to become trillionaires, controlling resources we are entirely dependent upon, you've just turned civilization as we know it upside down.
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I'm very much aware of the state of affairs in Afghanistan after the SU 'transitioned out'. I know enough Afghani people, who have told me their stories. It is not a nice picture they paint. But if you believe it's better now, after nine years of illegal occupation and clandestine warfare, you're greatly mistaken.
Of course, no one says, "wow, I'm glad the war's here!". The only question is whether or not the war was necessary. Which is an entirely different question than whether or not when things start to look grim if you pack your gear and run. Because, the situation is entirely different then. Lots of things Bush did didn't work out. But, not running off like a lot of humiliated Europeans and doing The Surge in Iraq at a time when, even in the US, it was horribly unpopular, was one of the greatest decisions an American president has ever made.
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#499945 - 11/17/10 04:18 PM
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I don't give a flying fuck if Al Qaeda has all the oil in the world or not.
See, this has got to be one of the most ignorant comments ever made. Because after Al Qaeda had that much oil, you damn well would care. ... It's about a way of life. Western civilization is entirely dependent on oil. ... How the hell would you get to work? ...
You might consider it ignorant. That makes it no less true. I really don't care. You don't seem able to grasp that notion. Western civilisation is, indeed, completely dependent on oil. That doesn't make it right. (Nor does it mean that it is the best way of living.) It only raises the question how it could have come to pass, how ignorant it has been to let it happen and what other ways to live there are.
Btw, I'd go to work by bicycle, if necessary
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Here's Al Qaeda's stated mission: Click.
Thanks for the link! I'll read it later.
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... Iraqi casualties are now at the lowest point they've been during the entire war and getting better. The situation isn't dire anymore in Iraq. The light at the end of the tunnel has become obvious.
Talking about ignorant. Last few weeks has seen a significant rise in bombings and random violence with a lot of casualties. It has become bad enough for several European governments to stop the extradition of refugees back to Iraq. If random violence in all major cities isn't 'dire', then I don't know what is.
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Afghanistan is different.
Different how, exactly? It's an illegal occupation. There's been no declaration of war or anything similar.
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Plus, the rampant curruptuion amongst Afghan leaders makes you wonder if those people are capable of developing a functional country.
Yes, it's a difficult word. Do you realize that 95% of all corrupted dollars in Afghanistan are coming from US (or US-backed) funds?
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...And, having seen what happened last time Al Qaeda was left to their own devices in that country, you've got to be hard pressed to leave that country now.
Al Qaeda (or what it's made to be) has never ruled Afghanistan and it's not likely they ever will. The Taliban regime has ruled a part of the country for a period of time, but don't think it's the same thing. They don't have too many things in common.
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The thing is, I'm not the least bit anti-Arab.
Me neither.
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I'd rather see a two-state solution over there.
Two-state solution? Yeah, sounds nice enough. Maybe the US can invade Israel and make it adhere to some UN resolutions. This has little to do with the earlier subject of your lecture, though.
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The only question is whether or not the war was necessary.
That may be your only question. I have other standards, values and questions, I guess.
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#499947 - 11/18/10 10:44 AM
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Talking about ignorant. Last few weeks has seen a significant rise in bombings and random violence with a lot of casualties. It has become bad enough for several European governments to stop the extradition of refugees back to Iraq. If random violence in all major cities isn't 'dire', then I don't know what is.
Because the US combat troops left, and Al Qaeda being the dangerous people they are, they figure this is the time to test their strength. People thought the violence would spike again earlier than it did. But, the violence is still way below earlier levels. Here's some little independent web site that tallies Iraqi casualties. That bar chart with the red lines in the middle gives you an idea: Click. That Surge thing I was talking about was early '07.
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Different how, exactly? It's an illegal occupation. There's been no declaration of war or anything similar.
This is nice, the guy who thinks if the oil supply disappears tomorrow, his big problem will be that he has to ride his bicycle to work has an official legal opinion on the validity of the Iraq War...
The UN charter that whole "legality" argument saying that the US broke it, also says the UN Security Council is the ruling party over whether or not war crimes have been committed. And because both the US and the UK have veto powers there and have both said they don't believe the war was illegal, I think it's fairly safe to say that according to that charter, the war was in fact not illegal.
The US (and the UK) didn't even think that one UN resolution they did get just before going to war was necessary. They both thought there was language in the 15-some previous resolutions since the first Gulf War that was enough to justify "legality" according to the UN charter. Going back to the UN was a move Bush wanted to make to support Blair in his domestic political affairs that Blair needed to respond to and maybe they could garner support from more countries. It also served to emphasize that diplomatic efforts were being exhausted. At the point where you've got a resolution that was passed 15-0 in the Security Council which says "prove you don't have weapons or face serious consequences!", Saddam doesn't, and then the UN starts going, "well, wait, wait, wait, he did cooperate some...", it's pretty clear you're not getting anywhere else diplomatically.
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Al Qaeda (or what it's made to be) has never ruled Afghanistan and it's not likely they ever will. The Taliban regime has ruled a part of the country for a period of time, but don't think it's the same thing. They don't have too many things in common.
The Mujahadin were the one fought the Soviets in Afghanistant. After the Soviets left, The Mujahadin broke up into factions. One of those factions was led by Osama. At some point after the Soviets left, the Taliban came out of Pakistan and made some power sharing deal with Al Qaeda. It happened something like that. Al Qaeda is a military force, they didn't want to govern. So no, Al Qaeda didn't govern Afghanistan, but nobody thinks in a failed state where they have military power are they going to partner with a loving, peaceful governing body.
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Two-state solution? Yeah, sounds nice enough. Maybe the US can invade Israel and make it adhere to some UN resolutions. This has little to do with the earlier subject of your lecture, though.
The only way I can imagine getting rid of Israel is when Iran gets a nuclear bomb. Which they very well might with Obama in charge. That'll be their first line of provoking aggression is with Israel. Then after that gets settled, they'll find something to anatogonize things with the oil supply and make the prices sky-rocket to enrich themselves. Unless we fuck up badly, there's no way we're getting rid of Israel.
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#499948 - 11/18/10 02:27 PM
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On that IBC page was, among other things, this little thing:
You can mumble about UN Security Council and whatnot all you want. It's still wrong on more than one level: you were invading another sovereign nation.
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The Mujahadin were the one fought the Soviets in Afghanistant. After the Soviets left, The Mujahadin broke up into factions. One of those factions was led by Osama. At some point after the Soviets left, the Taliban came out of Pakistan and made some power sharing deal with Al Qaeda. It happened something like that. Al Qaeda is a military force, they didn't want to govern. So no, Al Qaeda didn't govern Afghanistan, but nobody thinks in a failed state where they have military power are they going to partner with a loving, peaceful governing body.
You're funny. "It happened something like that." I guess it did, didn't it.
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#499949 - 11/20/10 10:22 AM
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On that IBC page was, among other things, this little thing:
Wow you're pathetic. Went picking through that site to find a sub-stat indicating violence isn't on a serious down trend. And, doing that while tens of thousands of American are leaving, not there any more to help protect Iraq. Look at the whole picture, if you can.
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You can mumble about UN Security Council and whatnot all you want.
You were the idiot who brought up the war being 'illegal'. Where do you think that whole legality debate comes out of? Are you under the impression the US government is supposed to travel to the Netherlands and get you guys approval? And, if we don't the war is "illegal"?
That whole legality debate you brought up is over the UN charter.
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It's still wrong on more than one level: you were invading another sovereign nation.
You brought up the "morality of war" thing in your last post. I was going to skip it because explaining complex issues to you is obviously more than you can handle. But, from a very simplistic approach, that maybe you can grasp, you can pretty much assume war is morally wrong. Picking up a gun and shooting somebody is wrong. "Turn the other cheek" is the ideal Jesus preaches. But, people have come to accept the idea that sometimes it's necessary to fight. And, when you read about the politics behind wars, that's the question they ask, "was it necessary?". Not just only, "was a country invaded?".
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