and you thought the liberals were all just stale and stagnant....soft.....fuck yeah.....but innovative.....I reaally DO love the way the want to fully repeal any and all things that have anything to do with obama admin....

shit your obamacare doent really kick in till 2012.....so what are they (GOP) trying to counteract.....the left being able to claim some (1 or 2) or just a few things on their resume.

hell dont you want to be able to torment their damned souls for as long as you can manage....the better for your base.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America

well damn.....you guys aint as bad as I thought....my mistake......its the Contract from America......smells like the same shit to me...(post above)....guess the next one out will be the Contract on America......

even though the economy has allegedly recovered....the only thing the GOP forgot and cant understand is that most americans cant get a contract for a cell phone no less anymore....too many defaults....totally understandable.....just have a better name then something far way too familiar...for your next little pet project...


thanks JB....

yeah their tax cuts created SO MANY JOBS in the bush years.

Dino, is there anything particular in that contract that you don't like? Or, it's just the name?

Also, you're aware that it's late-2010 right now? You're thinking it's too early to be concerned about our health care system as it would be in 2012?

Either one of the parties might have a little more success of they tried Contact with America instead.

The Pledge for America is pretty thin gruel. It doesn't go far enough into detail on the types of and extent of the cuts in federal spending that most Americans want. Returning the to pre 2008 spending levels is just not good enough. I was hoping for pre 1970 spending levels.

Tax Comparison-

Dino, seriously, just give up. That chart is one of the worst examples of over-simplifying an issue for purposes of propanda that I've ever seen.

Just showing the top marginal rate for the "wealthiest americans" means absolutely nothing. For example, despite during Eisenhower's time, the marginal rate being 90%, the effective rate was much lower. You got a tax break for everything, including interest you had to pay for credit card companies. If you weren't just browsing Democratic propanganda sites, you have heard a 1,000 times by now that with the Reagan tax cutes, the "wealthiest Americans" were actually paying a higher effective tax rate, because he cancelled so many tax breaks.

Bust as to the headline of this graph which is probably the only thing you looked at before posting it, this "wealthiest Americans" thing, with Obama running around saying "if you're family makes less than $250K a year... blah blah blah". But then when he's not talking about wealthy families, but talking about small businesses (who create the vast majority of new jobs in this country), he's all for stimulating them, giving them tax breaks etc.

So, as it turns out, the vast majority of these "wealthiest American families" are in the top marginal tax bracket because they run small business. The reason they're paying the individual tax rate on the profits from their business because they're lower than the corporate tax rate.

Obama wanting to raise the income tax rate 3% on small businesses wouldn't bother me so much, if it were timed in any way that made any sense at all. This country's trying to get out of the worst recession since the Great Depression. Now's just not the time to be raising taxes, especially on small businesses that create most of our jobs.

There's similar propaganda lines Republicans float all the time, they're just not as pronounced now because it's the Democrats in power and they're the ones on trial. Just like in '02, '04, '06, and '08 it was the Republicans on trial. You've just got to look a little deeper than the ridiculous nonsense they throw out as party lines.

Man I wish there were an intelligent Liberal who posted here. Fatman is the closest thing. But, he rarely talks about politics and is way more interested in religion anyway...

I think the problem is the lack of popular Liberal commentators. Conservatives have the particularly outlandish Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, all of which irritate me and I try not to listen to. But, beneath their screaming and yelling, they do talk about the basis behind the propaganda rather than just repeatedly throwing it out there. More thoughtful (less trying to be outlandish for the purpose of ratings) conservative commentators include David Brooks, George Will, Bill Kristol (the whole Weekly Standard magazine he runs is really great), Charles Krauthammer.

Let's change this thread from Dino's regurgitation of mindless Democratic propaganda nonsense to a thread discussing where the substantial information behind Liberal processes are. Do they have any entertaining commentators like the Conservatives do? Give me some links, I will read them.

GOP's contract with America:

yes....both sides throw up as much propanda possiable to detract the american electorate from focusing on more then one big issue....

Northrop ....George Will is a damn great journalist....but will never be a "o'reilly" because her is in the mainsteam.

@Sully,I lied, where in the fuck did you get that gif ?

Flat 15% income tax is the closest thing to fair. Still too many holes in the current tax code for dishonest assholes to weasel out of their "fair" share.

I predict that we will have the hardcore right will prevail in the mid term....therefore total gridlock will be inside the beltway for another 2.....then the tea pary will be absorbed back to the republicans and Jeb Bush will be the next President.